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Good Project

Postby Wild_South » Sun May 18, 2014 4:35 pm

Again, don't know terribly much about Landy's, but you boys that do, how does this look as a project?

What are the old engines in these like (reliability wise)?

Looks like it could be made into a cool wagon

http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/used-ca ... 256555.htm
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Re: Good Project

Postby lax2wlg » Sun May 18, 2014 5:28 pm

She looks pretty clean and original. Porno arrangement in the back alright. Warning, same trans as that 200TDI Disco you were looking at.
Too bad its not a bit older with the LT95 transmission.

The whole 'manual steering' thing don't add up to me but it may quite possibly be a factory 'feature.'

Bet you the price will get to something ridiculous.

Anybody that responds to a trademe question with 'This is a typo correction for the previous question and does not require an answer' has to be a bit Image

For f**ks sake, its not the OJ Simpson trial.

'LPG was installed at one time but removed when it became cheaper to run on petrol' - thats also a weak thing to say IMO

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Re: Good Project

Postby Wild_South » Sun May 18, 2014 5:32 pm

lax2wlg wrote:She looks pretty clean and original. Porno arrangement in the back alright. Warning, same trans as that 200TDI Disco you were looking at.
Too bad its not a bit older with the LT95 transmission.

The whole 'manual steering' thing don't add up to me but it may quite possibly be a factory 'feature.'

Bet you the price will get to something ridiculous.

Anybody that responds to a trademe question with 'This is a typo correction for the previous question and does not require an answer' has to be a bit Image

For f**ks sake, its not the OJ Simpson trial.

'LPG was installed at one time but removed when it became cheaper to run on petrol' - thats also a weak thing to say IMO



Hahahaha I agree mate! Cheers for the reply

Yeah I am still interested in that Disco...can't make my mind up!!!

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Re: Good Project

Postby Ralfie » Sun May 18, 2014 5:48 pm

lax2wlg wrote:She looks pretty clean and original. Porno arrangement in the back alright. Warning, same trans as that 200TDI Disco you were looking at.
Too bad its not a bit older with the LT95 transmission.

The whole 'manual steering' thing don't add up to me but it may quite possibly be a factory 'feature.'



Ignore the so called warning ............ you are been sent up the garden path by someone who thinks they know where they are going but has actually sent you in the wrong direction.

The gearbox in this should actually be the LT85 gearbox sometimes referred to as the Santana gearbox. Considered the strongest 5 speed gearbox from Land Rover and was only available in V8 90-110's. Although they do tend to get a bit noisy in the bearings but will go on forever.

Also manual steering means it doesn't have power assisted steering, common on the more basic early Range Rovers and 110s that were meant as 'work' vehicles. Not a problem as the steering box was geared to make it easy & light to steer.
If a problem for you, then all you have to do to change to power steering, is change lower steering shaft, fit power steer box, hoses and pump from 3.5 Range Rover.

These engines do suffer wear on the camshafts and lifters, especially if oil changes and servicing hasn't been kept up. Generally they hold together well and plod along although not the most powerful of engines.

Good basic vehicle but wouldn't consider it a daily driver due to size and fuel consumption. The Discovery with injection V8 would be a lot better.

Good luck

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Re: Good Project

Postby lax2wlg » Sun May 18, 2014 6:10 pm

Ralfie wrote: you are been sent up the garden path by someone who thinks they know where they are going but has actually sent you in the wrong direction.


Vehicle Plate Number: MM7233
VIN Number according to carjam.co.nz: SALLDHAV7BF565008

9th letter on VIN code determines transmission type.
"7" - LT77 5 speed manual, RHD

Decode the VIN for yourself: http://www.md0mdi.com/land-rover-vin-numbers/

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Re: Good Project

Postby lax2wlg » Sun May 18, 2014 6:14 pm

Ralfie wrote:Considered the strongest 5 speed gearbox from Land Rover and was only available in V8 90-110's.The gearbox in this should actually be the LT85 gearbox sometimes referred to as the Santana gearbox.


Thats because it was made by a Spanish company named Santana. Thats also why its known as the strongest gearbox. It wasn't a Rover design, just like the Salisbury rear end and V8 engine.

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Re: Good Project

Postby smurf182 » Sun May 18, 2014 6:54 pm

lax2wlg wrote:
Ralfie wrote: you are been sent up the garden path by someone who thinks they know where they are going but has actually sent you in the wrong direction.


Vehicle Plate Number: MM7233
VIN Number according to carjam.co.nz: SALLDHAV7BF565008

9th letter on VIN code determines transmission type.
"7" - LT77 5 speed manual, RHD

Decode the VIN for yourself: http://www.md0mdi.com/land-rover-vin-numbers/

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Actually, if you read the whole table, it says it could be EITHER LT85, LT77, LT77S, R380 or other

It's all good to correct people when they are wrong, but you don't have to be a cock about it.

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Re: Good Project

Postby lax2wlg » Sun May 18, 2014 7:10 pm

Well then somebody should ask the guy whose selling it.
"Hey Mister, What gearbox is it, Mister?"

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Re: Good Project

Postby Ralfie » Sun May 18, 2014 7:14 pm

lax2wlg wrote:
Ralfie wrote: you are been sent up the garden path by someone who thinks they know where they are going but has actually sent you in the wrong direction.


Vehicle Plate Number: MM7233
VIN Number according to carjam.co.nz: SALLDHAV7BF565008

9th letter on VIN code determines transmission type.
"7" - LT77 5 speed manual, RHD

Decode the VIN for yourself: http://www.md0mdi.com/land-rover-vin-numbers/

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Keep digging ........
Go back and check you own research .............

Then you will realise that the code refers to all 5-speed gearboxes, whether it be LT77, LT85 or R380.

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Re: Good Project

Postby Cameron » Sun May 18, 2014 7:21 pm

who cares what gearbox it's got anyways? pretty low km and there's plenty with whichever gearbox that have been to the moon and back.
That's like not buying a terrano coz the front ends and manual transmissions are rubbish.
Actually that makes much more sense than discounting this landrover because it's potentially got a trans in it that's not the strongest one ever.

Looks like a good buy at the moment!\

and yeah, the vin decoder just tells you it's 5spd right hook.

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Re: Good Project

Postby lax2wlg » Sun May 18, 2014 7:29 pm

^^Thanks for that pearl of wisdom.

who cares what gearbox it's got anyways?

Umm its 'kind of' a big deal, Sherlock.

But Holy Jesus you're probably right.

terrano... rubbish.

Okay I think I see whats going on here.

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Re: Good Project

Postby noexitroad » Sun May 18, 2014 7:43 pm

yep, she would be a good project. expect the price to go up. engines are good but carbs will drive you mad. they drink petrol but you just can't beat the "landy wave" you will get owning one :wink:

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Re: Good Project

Postby NJV6 » Sun May 18, 2014 7:53 pm

Don't worry about the LT77 warnings, sure they might not be the strongest but it could well be just fine.
Do you warn people off surfs incase their heads crack?
do you warn people off 80 series incase their bearings fail?
Do you warn people off GQ's incase they get rusty?
Do you warn people off Mitsis simply because they are a mitsi?
What about warning people off Terranos cos their steering will fall apart?
How about watch out everyone, a hilux might give you a bumpy ride!

Buy whatever feels right for you, If you think you can't afford it, your probably right and if it doesn't feel right, get something else!
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Re: Good Project

Postby DieselBoy » Sun May 18, 2014 8:12 pm

I reckon it would be a good "project".

The LT 77 is a good honest trans if that's what it's running. Just give it the right grade oil and make sure it's running a cross drilled t.case output gear.

If the motor goes pop, you can do what we did in the link below and drop a $700 3.9 out of a Disco into it and bolt the carbs on, or even plug in the fuel injection :D
http://www.offroadexpress.co.nz/Forums/ ... 21&t=36132

With a truck like that you buying a "Platform" that you can can turn into what ever you want. The size, solid axles, coils sprung suspension, interchangeability of other L.R parts and availability of both aftermarket awesomeness and good new and used factory parts means the only limitation is your imagination :lol: :lol:

In my opinion while it's not a minter straight off like that Disco, this is the better option as the potential for building this into something more is greater.

And it will hold its value :D
lax2wlg wrote:Is that like saying 'she's hot, for a crackwhore??

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Re: Good Project

Postby lax2wlg » Mon May 19, 2014 10:21 am

^^Good post

No doubt that it is one of the best overland expo. platforms in the world. Now of course you wouldn't warn somebody off the entire vehicle just because of its gearbox, that would be stupid. But its an important thing to know about for a potential buyer, arguably even more so if it is to be used as a long distance expo. platform that will be going to remote places.

Alls I am saying is 'buyer beware.'

One would be a deluded lunatic to deny that the mainshaft wear problem in that particular unit (LT77) is a common known issue that can lead to catastrophic failure. Theres mountains of evidence out there. Yes its a relatively easy fix but for the average DIY home mechanic, dropping and disassembling the entire trans is probably not on the cards.

This is an important financial consideration for a buyer who wants reliable service and is factoring in preventative maintenance costs. Assuming there are no rebuild receipts on hand, this could also give a buyer leverage when negotiating price with the seller.

Whether it has the Spanish box or LT77 is an important differentiation that should influence the sale price. ie if it has the Spanish box, it should command a higher price.

However in his condescending way, Ralfie could be correct about it having the Spanish box/factory V8 combo... I'm also cool with that. :D

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Re: Good Project

Postby UBZ » Mon May 19, 2014 10:21 am

lax2wlg wrote:
Ralfie wrote: you are been sent up the garden path by someone who thinks they know where they are going but has actually sent you in the wrong direction.


Vehicle Plate Number: MM7233
VIN Number according to carjam.co.nz: SALLDHAV7BF565008

9th letter on VIN code determines transmission type.
"7" - LT77 5 speed manual, RHD

Decode the VIN for yourself: http://www.md0mdi.com/land-rover-vin-numbers/

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you really should read your own posts before you hit the submit button .
it might become obvious why you come across as a know all cock .....
It's a 4wd forum not a slong swinging ring

I mean seriously you warn people off LRs buy recommend terrano's .....WTF are you retarded ....... Have you ever actually driven a coil sprung LR off road ....
and before you reply with some shallow insult about my mum or such , I dont have time to trade jibes with children on the internet

getting back on track, my LT-77 has done 400,000km + and while being a little agricultural is still going swt.

As Db said a LR is a platform to work from, they give you plenty of warning maintenance is required , parts are plentiful and cheap .
LR110 ..... LJ50 project :roll:
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Re: Good Project

Postby lax2wlg » Mon May 19, 2014 10:51 am

Thanks for that...Please see my response on previous page. We must have hit the Submit button at pretty much exactly the same time :lol:

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Re: Good Project

Postby muddymatt1973 » Mon May 19, 2014 11:44 am

Had a same era 90 factory V8 for a little while. Mine had the Santana box. Still took it and the carbed V8 out and dropped in a 3.5 Efi and Auto with viscous coupled trans from a Rangie. Made it huge fun :D
Not an issue with 110's cos they have Salisbury back end but stock 90 v8's had a 4 pin diff in the back end too.

The price on this particular 110 will no doubt go sky high. I would say a Discovery (same chassis, etc) would be better value and they are just as good or even better off road and MUCH more comfy on road due to better seats and sound proofing and even a heater that works.

Just my2c having spent literally days sitting in LR's of just about every type.........

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Re: Good Project

Postby oldyella » Mon May 19, 2014 8:58 pm

If you were just after something for a hoon then sell on, probably go disco.

If you were looking for something to hold onto for a while and are interested in kitting out, modifying to your preference etc, then I'd go 110.

Also, how much do you like being comfortable? The disco will be much more comfortable.

Finally, and most importantly, do you find yourself often requiring a "hotel defender" when you have to many beers at your mates place :mrgreen:

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Re: Good Project

Postby Cameron » Wed May 21, 2014 11:38 am

I may be wrong but, I jsut looked and it hasn't met reserve. Wasn't the bidding up to like $4k the other day on this thing and reserve met? I may be mixed up......

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