2 inch Lift, caster correction bushes/arms

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2 inch Lift, caster correction bushes/arms

Postby nakimud » Mon Jan 05, 2015 8:59 am

I have just installed 2 inch lift springs in my 110 and now it feels quite knifey on the road after about 90 km/h. Question is are the caster correction bushes adequate or do I have to get new radius arms?

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Re: 2 inch Lift, caster correction bushes/arms

Postby Crash bandicoot » Mon Jan 05, 2015 9:27 am

How many degrees has the vertical axis been rolled forward compared to pre lift. You should get 3 to 5 degrees from correction bushes.
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Postby Trundle » Mon Jan 05, 2015 10:03 am

Give us a call at Trundles Automotive ltd 06 75 27 952 and we will be able to help you out ,
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Re: 2 inch Lift, caster correction bushes/arms

Postby 44jetboat » Sun Jan 25, 2015 9:11 pm

Not long put some in my disco. Easy to do and made it track much better. Even misses will drive it now :shock: :shock:

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Re: 2 inch Lift, caster correction bushes/arms

Postby Ralfie » Sun Jan 25, 2015 9:34 pm

44jetboat wrote:Not long put some in my disco. Easy to do and made it track much better. Even misses will drive it now :shock: :shock:


Did you fit caster bushes or replaced the front radius arms completely?

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Postby 44jetboat » Wed Feb 18, 2015 9:27 pm

Just the bushes, easy to do

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Re: 2 inch Lift, caster correction bushes/arms

Postby 85County » Sun Oct 25, 2015 2:40 pm

nakimud wrote:I have just installed 2 inch lift springs in my 110 and now it feels quite knifey on the road after about 90 km/h. Question is are the caster correction bushes adequate or do I have to get new radius arms?


now this is a can of worms

ok you lifted, and this has Rolled your front diff, looking from the drivers side clock wise, but this you already know

this has also rolled the input or drive of you diff up as well, not a bad thing and it reduces the drive shaft CV angle.

off set bushes will roll the diff back but will also level your diff again, increasing the drive shaft angle, worse because you have a lift. and these offset bushes flog out in no time, logical if you look at one

Cranked control arms will do the same but at lest you will get articulation back.

best solution is slotting the swivel housings. machining the swivel housing bolt holes or slotting the holes so when you mount them you can rotate the housing back without rotating the diff

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Re: 2 inch Lift, caster correction bushes/arms

Postby mudlva » Sun Oct 25, 2015 5:44 pm

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Re: 2 inch Lift, caster correction bushes/arms

Postby 85County » Sun Oct 25, 2015 6:27 pm

and your point is?

good info is timeless

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Re: 2 inch Lift, caster correction bushes/arms

Postby flatsix » Sun Oct 25, 2015 8:13 pm

Slotted balls are my favourite! although I think they have milled further than they needed to on this one, there is probably 7-8 degrees of correction there


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Re: 2 inch Lift, caster correction bushes/arms

Postby 85County » Mon Oct 26, 2015 12:36 am

flatsix wrote:Slotted balls are my favourite! although I think they have milled further than they needed to on this one, there is probably 7-8 degrees of correction there


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yep that's the ideal. have you thought of packers ether side of the bolts?

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Re: 2 inch Lift, caster correction bushes/arms

Postby BadCo » Mon Oct 26, 2015 2:33 pm

Apparently they haven't moved in six years.

http://www.aulro.com/afvb/modified-zone ... -hubs.html

I had never heard of this, good to know for when I jack the 110 up further.

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Re: 2 inch Lift, caster correction bushes/arms

Postby Crash bandicoot » Mon Oct 26, 2015 10:32 pm

BadCo wrote:Apparently they haven't moved in six years.

http://www.aulro.com/afvb/modified-zone ... -hubs.html

I had never heard of this, good to know for when I jack the 110 up further.


the clamping force of the bolts on the two opposing flanges would create enough friction to stop them turning i'd say.
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Re: 2 inch Lift, caster correction bushes/arms

Postby 85County » Mon Oct 26, 2015 11:57 pm

BadCo wrote:Apparently they haven't moved in six years.

http://www.aulro.com/afvb/modified-zone ... -hubs.html

I had never heard of this, good to know for when I jack the 110 up further.


its not about them moving its about setting them up, same size spacers each side means you will get the same angle each side. quite important when you are over slotted

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Re: 2 inch Lift, caster correction bushes/arms

Postby lax2wlg » Tue Oct 27, 2015 1:05 am

Ingenious solution.
I suppose that the biggest force they will experience is frontal impact.
Interesting that you used the 12 point bolts.
On that picture, has the radius arm mount been slotted/plate welded over too?
Also, it looks like there is some metal deformation at the slotted end. Is this due to frontal impact/tiny amounts of movement?
I really like the retailer bolt idea.
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Re: 2 inch Lift, caster correction bushes/arms

Postby Ralfie » Tue Oct 27, 2015 11:57 am

Caster corrected swivels are available from Britpart.
http://www.britpart.com/parts/suspensio ... gs/da3203/

Supposedly original OM supplier but machined to give caster correction. Kit contents include Swivel housings; swivel pin bearings; gaskets; seals; plates; shims; joint washers; swivel pin uppers & swivel housing grease sachets.

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Re: 2 inch Lift, caster correction bushes/arms

Postby BadCo » Tue Oct 27, 2015 12:32 pm

Ralfie wrote:Caster corrected swivels are available from Britpart.
http://www.britpart.com/parts/suspensio ... gs/da3203/

Supposedly original OM supplier but machined to give caster correction. Kit contents include Swivel housings; swivel pin bearings; gaskets; seals; plates; shims; joint washers; swivel pin uppers & swivel housing grease sachets.


So, can it be trusted then? I've never heard a positive thing from britpart.

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Re: 2 inch Lift, caster correction bushes/arms

Postby 85County » Tue Oct 27, 2015 1:16 pm

LOOK i think people are over thinking things

6 point bolts are common as are 12 point, every disco i have had has 12 point, but all my defenders have had 6 point.

all though i have a clients D1 here now with 6 point

i suspect the 12 point with flange is a bit better than a 6 point with a washer.

you do not need a kit, just pop off your swivels and take to the local machine shop. any one with a mill and a rotary table can do it, set up and machining time is about an hour. well that's how long it takes me to do.

lastly it is a VERY common solution. well it is in Australia where like where i am IN South Australia so such things as WOF or MOT do not exist ( that's correct) so 6" lift may get a question from a cop. but more likely a COOL comment.

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Re: 2 inch Lift, caster correction bushes/arms

Postby Ralfie » Tue Oct 27, 2015 2:19 pm

BadCo wrote:
Ralfie wrote:Caster corrected swivels are available from Britpart.
http://www.britpart.com/parts/suspensio ... gs/da3203/

Supposedly original OM supplier but machined to give caster correction. Kit contents include Swivel housings; swivel pin bearings; gaskets; seals; plates; shims; joint washers; swivel pin uppers & swivel housing grease sachets.


So, can it be trusted then? I've never heard a positive thing from britpart.


yet they seem to be the largest aftermarket parts supplier for Land Rover in the World.
So guess they must be OK otherwise people wouldn't be buying off them ..............

Unless of course you buy on price rather than quality ...........

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Re: 2 inch Lift, caster correction bushes/arms

Postby Ralfie » Tue Oct 27, 2015 2:23 pm

85County wrote:6 point bolts are common as are 12 point, every disco i have had has 12 point, i suspect the 12 point with flange is a bit better than a 6 point with a washer.



12 point bolts are standard on the Discovery and Defenders from around 1993 from memory.

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Re: 2 inch Lift, caster correction bushes/arms

Postby 85County » Thu Oct 29, 2015 11:03 am

Ralfie wrote:
85County wrote:6 point bolts are common as are 12 point, every disco i have had has 12 point, i suspect the 12 point with flange is a bit better than a 6 point with a washer.



12 point bolts are standard on the Discovery and Defenders from around 1993 from memory.



i believe you would be correct there

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