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J20 Rat Trap Starter

Postby JAY20 » Mon Jul 09, 2012 7:26 pm

Hi all my starter just crapped out Its the original Starter motor from my Jeep J20 AMC 258 4.2L which is a motorcraft / Ford Rat trap Does anyone know anyone that sells these new or remanufactured in NZ. Thanks

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Postby Fen » Mon Jul 09, 2012 10:59 pm

I'd have to check, but I probably have one on my spares truck. Not that it will be rebuilt of course, but it might still be working.
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Postby JAY20 » Fri Jul 13, 2012 8:13 pm

All good I got mine reco'ed she is running better than ever I also did the TFI upgrade My truck is now running better than ever. You dont know anyone with a well deck do you. i have a flat deck but really want to change it. I cant find one anywhere and wonder if they had them here in NZ. Thanks for your help.

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Postby Fen » Sat Jul 14, 2012 9:27 am

I think the J20s only came as a cab & chassis in NZ. That's what they are selling with the brochure I have anyway and I don't recall one of the options being any sort of bed. If that's correct then you'll be looking for an import.

Unfortunately decent beds aren't even that easy to come by in the US from what I read on IFSJA.
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Postby sidestep » Tue Jul 31, 2012 5:15 am

Hi Jay20 might be a bit late on this reply but.. Live in the Far North (well North of Kaitaia), have a couple of NZ J20's. Use them hard on the farm, they're solid old machines. Also spend 1/2 each year in Canada - where I am now. Have J10's & 20's here too. Have a couple spares in the yard with boxes - wellsides - on. No idea what it'd cost to send one to NZ or if it'd be worth doing. My NZ J20's are short wheelbase (that was NZ only - here all 20's were LWB) I do have some shortbox J10 Honcho's but there's a bit of rust in the boxes. If you're interested will take photos. Cheers John

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Postby Fen » Tue Jul 31, 2012 4:58 pm

Kiwi Shipping could handle the freight, but I think it would need to get to LA first.
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Postby sidestep » Thu Aug 02, 2012 3:29 am

Yep Kiwi is good. I've sent a couple things back with them for mates in NZ. These Jeeps are a long way from LA, likely only worth sending stuff down there if they're a shared load with someone - like loaded in the back of a pickup. It's sad but here old Jeeps end up in Pick n pull then the crusher. Wife chases away any that follow me home....

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Postby JAY20 » Thu Aug 09, 2012 9:42 pm

sidestep wrote:Hi Jay20 might be a bit late on this reply but.. Live in the Far North (well North of Kaitaia), have a couple of NZ J20's. Use them hard on the farm, they're solid old machines. Also spend 1/2 each year in Canada - where I am now. Have J10's & 20's here too. Have a couple spares in the yard with boxes - wellsides - on. No idea what it'd cost to send one to NZ or if it'd be worth doing. My NZ J20's are short wheelbase (that was NZ only - here all 20's were LWB) I do have some shortbox J10 Honcho's but there's a bit of rust in the boxes. If you're interested will take photos. Cheers John


Hi John Ahhh the winterless north I miss it I am originally from Opononi but now live in Taranaki. I am not sure if my J20 is short wheel base or long ( i think its a LWB )its 2.5 m long. I would love to get my hands on a wellside for my truck. It all depends on the shipping costs anything over 2k and its probably not worth it......for now anyway. Could you please send me a couple of photos and the dimensions and i will ring the shipping agents you mentioned. Thanks for your help.

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Postby JAY20 » Thu Aug 09, 2012 9:47 pm

Fen wrote:Kiwi Shipping could handle the freight, but I think it would need to get to LA first.


Hi Fen, I am still keen on those 35''s if your keen. Could you send me a photo and a price please. Also I have decided to keep my 4.88s for now. The guy I meet in Auckland (kaipara enterprises) is selling quite a bit of stuff on TM at the moment. Hes worth a look if you are after any parts yourself.

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Postby Fen » Fri Aug 10, 2012 8:56 pm

Hey,

I'm still up for a deal on the 35’s. Not sure what they are worth but let's start with photos. Probs be Sunday though as I'm out in the TJ tomorrow leaving early and not home until after dark.
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Postby JAY20 » Sat Aug 11, 2012 4:01 pm

Hey Fen it could be all in my head but I put 33"s on the back yesterday( I only had 2) and its definitely not revving as high to achieve my normal speed of 80kph. Which is great news as I didn't really want to go faster I just didn't want the engine revving so high. So I would imagine that 35"s are gonna be even better. I don't know what your tyres are worth but I am sure they are probably worth more than I can afford so start thinking of something you need for a trade swap plus cash. Hope you had a good time out today I am spending mine changing the pinion seal on my Dana 60.

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Postby sidestep » Sat Aug 18, 2012 2:30 pm

Hey Jay20, went down the back & got the old Jeeps out of the weeds. Not as good boxes on them as I remembered and they've gained a few dents from equipment scraping past. If your J20's a SWB it will measure about 3M (119") from the centre of the front hub to centre of the rear. LWB was just over 3.3M(131"). Over here a std 8' (LWB) pickup box will carry a 4x8' sheet of ply lying flat. Both are std boxes - not stepsides. I'll try to put some pics up for you.
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Postby sidestep » Sat Aug 18, 2012 3:06 pm

Here's the LWB one - a '75. There's rust but it's mainly surface. The big place for rust in Jeep boxes is along the seam where the 2 part box sides join (who knows why Jeep made them that way.. all other pickups had 1 piece box sides & the replacement aftermarket Jeep box sides are 1 piece.) When the factory seam sealer falls out it takes the paint & leaves bare metal. This box has a caved in left rear flare where the combine has hit it, judging by the red paint, and a hole where the line from the extra in-box fuel tank used to run. There's also put a dent by the filler..
There's plenty of stone chips. She had an A frame on the front bumper and was towed around behind the farm equipment when it was moved down the highway...for 32 summers. Has 119,000 miles - and half of that with the engine off..
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Postby sidestep » Sat Aug 18, 2012 3:49 pm

Here's the SWB one, a 1980 'Honcho' with the factory stripes, roll bar, spotlights, bullbar, spoked rims etc.. This package was big in the '70s.
Imagine this on a beach.. and dudes with pornstar mostaches.. wearing plaid pants & polyester shirts, smoking camels.. talking to chicks wearing Daisy Dukes...ahh.. erm..
She's got 97,000km and only ever carried bales of hay in the box. Unfortunately got rust through in those seams, so only saveable if you replace the outer skins with aftermarket ones or weld in patch panels.
Shame because the box is so nice inside.
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Postby yeti » Sat Aug 18, 2012 3:58 pm

mate they are way cool................plans for them..
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Postby sidestep » Sat Aug 18, 2012 4:19 pm

Here's the inside. Actually had a cool dealer (I think) mounted package in there - a 'jeep' winch mounted on the steel deck plate below the rollbar & a snatch block clipped onto the upper or lower steel eyes depending on where you wanted the cable to run. Now I've looked at them closely it's probably not worth shipping either of these back to NZ. I'll part them out on the local version of trademe & haul what's left to the crusher.
Here's a Honcho SWB stepside on our trademe equivalent. http://regina.kijiji.ca/c-cars-vehicles ... Z400867761
If I spot any really nice LWB boxes around I'll give you a shout on here. I've sold a couple locally for 100-150 $CDN so that + shipping to LA + Kiwi's costs are what it would owe you. I'd think you'd get one for well less than $2K NZ.. Kiwi charges about $1800 US for a whole car to NZ (plus whatever taxes etc at that end) and a truck box can be filled with other stuff.. John
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Postby Fen » Sat Aug 18, 2012 6:30 pm

I believe all the NZ ones are long wheelbase.
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Postby sidestep » Sun Aug 19, 2012 2:46 am

Err.. No. They sold SWB & LWB J20's RHD in NZ. Because there was no factory J20 short chassis the NZ ones were assembled on a J10 frame. Unlike other pickups SJ's don't have much difference between a 1/2 ton & 3/4 ton frame.
Only 'factory' short J20's in the world AFAIK. This one was regd. new in NZ at 2954kg making it a 'heavy half ton' rating over here (6500lb GVW)
I believe this was shipped SKD then assembled here.
Here's a pic of my '78 SWB J20.. 4.2l 6 cyl, 4spd, D20 T/C, D44HD front, D60 rear 4.11 gears, Manual steering. She's a workhorse.
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Postby Fen » Sun Aug 19, 2012 3:58 pm

OK, I'm happy to stand corrected - I'm always keen to know more about the NZ J-Trucks
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Postby sidestep » Mon Aug 20, 2012 4:28 am

Yeah they're neat old machines. When I was a young tyke back in 1979 a fencing crew showed up in a brand new J20. When they left they had to pry me out of the front seat. Ahh the luxury compared to rattling around in the old farm Landrovers.
Went to Aussie to make my fortune a decade later, mate lent me a Wagoneer & I lived in the back of it while I travelled around... Gave me a soft spot for the old Jeeps. Over here my toys & work vehicles are Dodges but I'll still drag home an old Jeep whenever my wife's not looking.

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Postby Fen » Mon Aug 20, 2012 6:23 am

I grew up in the UK. I'm not sure I even saw a full size Jeep there - it wasn't until the XJ Cherokee and soon after the Grand that Jeep became commonplace.

It was when I was in the Middle East making my fortune (ahem) that I saw some Wagoneers and loved the look. It was also there that I really developed a soft spot for Jeep in general after I turned away a brand new 70 series Cruiser in favour of a 2 year old Cherokee as a company vehicle.

I always liked the look of the Wrangler and remember drawing them as a kid, but unfortunately as well as being rare in the UK they became a bit of a gay icon after the star of a groundbreaking drama called "Queer as Folk" (I think) drove one.

I didn't know there was a truck version of the FSJ until much more recently, but since I couldn't really justify a full size Cherokee (my favourite FSJ, in wide track) I was all over a truck because that is demonstrably useful. In fact most of the things we move in it are for the wife and her horses in some way or other, so I get no grief about it nor spending money on it. I'm not sure she likes the new exhaust and it's unmistakeable V8 soundtrack, but she doesn't ever drive it so that's still OK.
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Postby JAY20 » Tue Aug 28, 2012 11:24 pm

Thanks for all your help mate I am gonna keep an eye out in the classifieds etc etc and hopefully one will turn up sooner or later.

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Postby jj10 » Thu Apr 11, 2013 11:44 am

Great to see so much interest in these trucks, myself, on the slow burner I have my old much used J10 with body resto completed, and a 4 litre toyota vx turbo motor trans transfer case unit to install. Original diffs but big o/d on the auto so should cruise ok. Only ute I enjoyed more than my old one tonner so it will eventually replace it I guess. Would have loved to run 350 chev but multiple adaptor plates and gearing issues mean I will pay by the k for diesel.
Chev will go in the hz wagon instead.

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Postby j20man » Wed Dec 10, 2014 9:07 am

great work horse the j20 i had a j10 but sold it years ago just got j20 and the chief now we need more fsj people on here

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