Ford Cleveland V8's

[fullthrottle]

Just for interests sake and something I remember in a conversation with good old dad....

The Cleveland V8's had an astonishing cubic inch upgrade path. I believe with the blocks on the 302's (maybe 351's) you could achieve nearly a 500cubic inch engine.
OK you can change the crank, but the amazing thing about the block was how much it could be bored out.

Anyone know the true facts?

[Kampfer]

No they are thin wall castings on the blocks. Your pushing your luck boring them 30 though over. 400 cubic inch is easy to get but that's from stroking the thing.

Only relaying what coxsy has told me. Dad used to run one in his mustang.

[Crash bandicoot]

My dad had a purple 1972 falcon with a 351 in it ...4 barrell carb too. .

The engine differed from the American 351(made the same year) as the aussie made clevelands didn't have the lower compression ratio to meet america's emissions rules.

from memory the major difference over all years are the main's bearing size. and that depended on where it was made.

depending on the year there are other differences like head, piston, design but the block up until 1977 remained basically unchanged

From 1977 they dropped the thin wall casting design and made new castings which were stronger based on the 400ci block used in heavier motor vehicles.

The aussie 302 was a 351 with a shorter stroke and longer conrods...once again same block.

[Dirtydog]

Very interesting stuff, starting to sound the same as some of the old 5.7 chev v8s

[fullthrottle]

From 1977 they dropped the thin wall casting design and made new castings which were stronger based on the 400ci block used in heavier motor vehicles.

The aussie 302 was a 351 with a shorter stroke and longer conrods...once again same block.

Hmmm, yeah that sounds more like it. I remember initially we had the windsor motors, but then shifted to a 302 cleveland. Nearly 100 cubes in upgrade with the same block sounds a bit more realistic.

Wish they had digital cameras back then. Mum has all the old photos with some awesome vehicles that the notorious Sayers boys in Wainui used to run.
Pitty she has taken them all to Aussie now.

[wopass]

Big inch small blocks are fun!!

[coxsy]

you can stroke a 302 to 347 ci,
Then make some power,
think they need a bit of trimming to get the crank to spin

[Beer_Cruiser]

Get hold of Reddog40 on here.
He knows all about Fords.
Hes the only guy I've heard of putting V8 fords in Cruisers
Malcolm

[DJ]

first there is 3 very different series of small block fords ( ?)
Cleveland that was made in Austraila from 1972 until 82
Windsor made in USA 1962 until 2001
Michigan 351/400 also made in USA, all were thin wall castings. Cleveland was the largest phisical size block. Very few parts change between clevelands and windsors. Michigan was a mixture of cleveland and windsor crank /block.
With a 30 thou over size bore and a 4.00 stroker crank will yield 408 ci which is the biggest crank into a cleveland block.
With a 4.1in stroker crank into a windsor with a 30 thou over size bore this will make 418 ci or 4.25 stroker into a 400 block will get u 434 ci. Its possible to get 467 ci but this is using a Dart block. The combination I rebuild motors to is, windsor block bored 30 thou and scat stroker to 347 ci as these a compact and easily got performance parts motors. All stroker kits require cylinder clearance machining and balancing. Confused yet ??

[coxsy]

nope

[Crash bandicoot]

first there is 3 very different series of small block fords ( ?)
Cleveland that was made in Austraila from 1972 until 82
Windsor made in USA 1962 until 2001
Michigan 351/400 also made in USA, all were thin wall castings. Cleveland was the largest phisical size block. Very few parts change between clevelands and windsors. Michigan was a mixture of cleveland and windsor crank /block.
With a 30 thou over size bore and a 4.00 stroker crank will yield 408 ci which is the biggest crank into a cleveland block.
With a 4.1in stroker crank into a windsor with a 30 thou over size bore this will make 418 ci or 4.25 stroker into a 400 block will get u 434 ci. Its possible to get 467 ci but this is using a Dart block. The combination I rebuild motors to is, windsor block bored 30 thou and scat stroker to 347 ci as these a compact and easily got performance parts motors. All stroker kits require cylinder clearance machining and balancing. Confused yet ??

were discussing Cleveland's........mainly because they were made there and in Geelong.

The windsor is different internally(and smaller)

The 351 R(the one used in the falcon GT/GTHO and most likely to be what you see if you ever come across one unless you import a boss mustang) was a four bolt main with large mains bearings. Incompatible with windsor internals the Cleveland 302 was only ever made in Geelong and the heads were design and made there too. Any american made 302's were windsor.

[coxsy]

The 351 R. or do you mean 4 bolt main bearing , 4V high compression engine 11.1 comp 4 barrel manifold 300 hp

[DJ]

The Cleveland V8's had an astonishing cubic inch upgrade path. I believe with the blocks on the 302's (maybe 351's) you could achieve nearly a 500cubic inch engine.
OK you can change the crank, but the amazing thing about the block was how much it could be bored

getting back to question as these are thin wall castings you are pushing your luck if you bore a standard block any more than 30 thou. Sure they can be bored and sleeved and stroked but thats new "ball game" (up to 429 ci) but this is still along way short of 500 ci.
cheers
I'm not a Ford fan just a petrol head but if I had to chose then its a 'Tin Injun' no sb or bb and up to 811 ci (appox):lol:

[coxsy]

30 thou and forged pistons high revs it can an will crack the bore