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Postby QUADRACER » Sat Oct 27, 2007 12:21 pm

yep thats fine good friends with Tim, lives just around the corner

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Postby petefj40 » Sat Feb 09, 2008 9:01 am

Hey Steve.

I brought this KLX 250 last week. Brought it for road and off road use. I still like my quads. It just the 2 wheeler can get into places the quad can't. It's a 2004 model. Done about 40,000k. Both my quads are away getting straighten. :roll: So I'm glad i have something to get dirty on. :D

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Postby sig » Sat Feb 09, 2008 10:18 pm

pete you have waaaay to much money ,share the love brother :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Postby skid » Sun Feb 10, 2008 7:14 am

sig wrote:pete you have waaaay to much money ,share the love brother :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:



I'm with him :wink: :wink: :wink: :roll:
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Postby petefj40 » Tue Feb 12, 2008 10:58 am

:oops:

but if i share, how will I win the, "who has the most toys wins" thing? :shock:

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Postby rangimotors » Tue Feb 12, 2008 11:25 am

I don't even have half as many toys but I have no room for any more, cool bike, loving ya work mate
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Postby nstg8a » Tue Feb 12, 2008 11:30 am

petefj40 wrote:Hey Steve.

I brought this KLX 250 last week. Brought it for road and off road use. I still like my quads. It just the 2 wheeler can get into places the quad can't. It's a 2004 model. Done about 40,000k. Both my quads are away getting straighten. :roll: So I'm glad i have something to get dirty on. :D

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that is mean... and roadlegal.... i want it lol

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Postby petefj40 » Tue Feb 12, 2008 12:43 pm

sig wrote:pete you have waaaay to much money ,share the love brother :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:


I guess it does look like I have lots of money. :oops: But after my 40 is done i won't have a lot left. :(
BUT, I don't care, it'll be worth it. :)

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Postby Dak » Thu Feb 14, 2008 8:25 pm

My current ride, lost count of previous ones.


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Postby 85BJ73 » Thu Feb 21, 2008 10:06 am

Hmmm, might buck the trend here......I started on a 1974 CR250 M Elsinore, as a beach hack, wish I had it now.... then on the a Suzuki TS250X, kinda like a road legal RM, but not as grunty, then a Honda XR250, bored to a 340, then A Kawasaki KR1S, KX250, Yamaha YZ250, TZR250 tuned to formual 2 specs, TZ250 GP bike, 1993 ZXR750, (Brand new too), KX125, then an 8 year break, followed by a TL1000R, GSX-R750, GSX-R1000K3, and now I have a brand new Suzuki GSX-R1000K6, that is fully set up for track days, but still road legal and around 210hp.
I guess I should mention I am parts manager at a Suzuki bike dealership..... 8)
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Postby Dak » Sun Mar 09, 2008 4:22 pm

85BJ73 wrote:GSX-R1000K6, that is fully set up for track days, but still road legal and around 210hp.


210hp?? Has it got a turbo on it, even full yoshi spec british superbike gixxer thou's don't put out that much.

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Postby petefj40 » Sun Mar 09, 2008 4:47 pm

85BJ73 wrote:Hmmm, might buck the trend here......


Ok.
I'm a real fan of the Aprilia road bikes.
If they ever got it out of the concept stage, this is what I'd like to be riding round on. :shock:
Makes all other bikes look pretty boring I think. 8)

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Postby 85BJ73 » Sun Mar 09, 2008 7:58 pm

DAK Wrote
210hp?? Has it got a turbo on it, even full yoshi spec british superbike gixxer thou's don't put out that much.


Nope don't need a turbo, check you figures. GSX-R1000, plus cams, EMpro, exhaust, tuned intake =235hp+ which is what the BSB runs, along with some careful match work and flow work done on the head, and a compression rise too, and all of those are BSB legal. The AMA bikes, which use the same parts make more than 235hp. Any race 1000 making less than 200hp would get left waaaayyyyyy behind. No team will say what teir bikes make, but I know for a fact the NZ bikes are solidly into the 200hp, and they are not as highly specced as the BSB or AMA bikes.
A stock GSX-R is 176 hp, a pipe adds 15hp (No catalytic converter and freer flowing), air filter another 7, and tuned intakes another 7, which is what I have done, it has been dynoed twice, both times 210hp on the nail. 8)
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Postby Dak » Sun Mar 09, 2008 8:27 pm

210 rwhp with those mods?? No way, best you get another dyno to measure it. It takes a bit more than that to get over 200.
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Postby 85BJ73 » Mon Mar 10, 2008 8:47 am

Well, mine does it, I am not talking rear wheel here, at the crank. Mine is not the only one either, there is another one in the South Island. Dyno's are tricky beasts, not all are accurate either, I had it done on a DynoJet dyno originally, they could not get an accurate reading, their ratings went from 134 for the first run, 197 for the second and 220 for the third :shock: Nothing was changed between any of the runs, as in we did not touch the bike. The first low power run due to a huge amount of wheelspin, the bike was not held down correctly, and there was smoke everywhere, and a huge wear spot on the tyre, I was not impressed :evil:
The reason I was given for the other reading was they did not know what to set the inertia reading to for the drum......then they went on to say actual readings are not accurate, as the dyno is a tuning tool :shock: But if you can't get an accurate reading, how do you know you are making progress?? :?
So I went to Auckland to a Factory Pro dyno, which are recognised as the most accurate dyno made, and it rattled off 210, six months later, the same again.
Just out of interest, I have an article at home, the BSB HM Plant CBR1000 was tested by journo's, the bike was detuned to wet weather settings, at a "mere 210hp at the wheel", which would equate close to 217hp there abouts at the crank. And the AMA Superstock GSX-R1000, which has to be a stock motor makes around 218-220hp at the crank, I would love to ride that!!
To be blunt, none of this really matters, not many can use the standard power, let alone more. I was really going for throttle feel and response, extra power was a bonus, but not really wanted/needed.
Another interesting thing, when I put the short Japan Superbike muffler on, which is shorter than my normal Carbon muffler, it makes more power again, and it is very noticeable too.
I went to that site, you need to remember different countries get different EPU's, some more restrictive than others, as in Canada, Belgum and another few get what can best be termed as "low power" units, and the US ones are restricted due to emission controls. There are 5 versions of EPU for GSX-R's, all produce different power. I know this, becouse my old K3 was a low power one, and a new EPU was $950.00, and yes, it made a difference too. Also, they need to make the bike reliable with the extra power, no-one wants to get sued.
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Postby Dak » Mon Mar 10, 2008 11:00 am

85BJ73 wrote:Well, mine does it, I am not talking rear wheel here, at the crank.


My point exactly, I get sick of people tossing off about "my bike produces this much hp" There is no dyno operator on the planet that can predict driveline losses and say that a said motor is producing this much horsepower at the crank, and to get 210 on two different occasions 6 months apart is near impossible, both days would have to have exactly the same temp, humidity etc unless it was done in a sealed controlled environment room and done by the same dyno operator.

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Postby 85BJ73 » Mon Mar 10, 2008 12:16 pm

Well, we are going round and round in circles, so we may as well leave it here, and agree to have seperate points of view. But I know that will not happen, so here goes: There are other ways to make more power than boring a motor out to a bigger size, I saw the article in a magazine some time ago that you provided the link to, and it is interesting. But I don't search the net for answers, I already have them, as I deal with manufacurers and thier suppliers daily. It is what I do.

As for "tossing off" (your words not mine, and at no stage did I use wording or language to offend anyone) I will leave that to you, I know what my bike is, and is capable of. But whether you like it or not, and whether you are sick of it or not, that is the result I got.

Yes it was the same dyno operator, in a correctly set up room. That is why I went there. I am not interested in backyard operators with poorly set up gear and inaccurate setups. Yes, I am pointing the finger here at some bike shop workshop dyno setups.
It is also easier to get consistant hp reading with fuel injected bikes, as the atmosphere does not have such a big effect on them as a carbed engine, hence a more consistant power figure.
I went by the operator telling me, and showing me the readout for the hp rating. I am not a dyno operator, so I took him at his word, he is a repected tuner too. But, as a concession, how about I say it is around the 210hp mark, that better?
Maybe you should have a look at the factory Pro website, their dyno article is really interesting.
Out of interest, as of another couple of weeks, all going well, the bike will be set up differently, as we are getting the Bazzaz range of Zi controllers, and I will be fitting one. No power gain, but better fuelling, I am sure you will look them up on the net now.
As I said, it is a matter of difference, we will never agree, as you have your point of view, and me mine, and I saw what I saw at the time. The reason I got it dyno run was not for power gain, but a smooth throttle with better response than standard, that is what I wanted, and that is what I got. As standard, the GSX-R suffers a "hole" in the power and torque curve due to emmision controls, as most bikes do. I wanted to eliminate that, and I wanted to see if I had. The first dyno shop said I had, but after the runs, the way they were conducted, and the results I got from them, I was not happy and I was suspicious, as it seemed to take to long to get a base setting, so I went looking for someone better.
At the end of the day, what does it matter if someone claims to have more power than you think they do?
It seems you have taken exception to me, as you know me, and I know you do, and am trying to find fault with me on a public forum. If this is the case, you know where I work, come around and we can talk face to face about it. I am not trying to mis-represent anything, but we do specialise in performance parts, and I know my stuff, and I know what it will do.
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Postby Dak » Mon Mar 10, 2008 5:23 pm

It is also easier to get consistant hp reading with fuel injected bikes, as the atmosphere does not have such a big effect on them as a carbed engine, hence a more consistant power figure.


Wrong, it does matter, a LOT, theres no difference between the two as far as that goes.

Maybe you should have a look at the factory Pro website, their dyno article is really interesting.


It is, maybe you should get your prefered dyno tuner to read it and measure your bike this way, have a look at the charts on the hp readings for GSX-R1000's, I can't see how your bike can make what you say it does.

but we do specialise in performance parts, and I know my stuff


And how long have you "specialised" in this sort of stuff? I used to build race motors for quite a few years so I'm not exactly stupid.

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Postby 85BJ73 » Mon Mar 10, 2008 6:16 pm

It is also easier to get consistant hp reading with fuel injected bikes, as the atmosphere does not have such a big effect on them as a carbed engine, hence a more consistant power figure.

Wrong, it does matter, a LOT, theres no difference between the two as far as that goes.


I am not going to blatantly ridicule you,by saying you are wrong, but fuel injection is infinately more adjustable/tuneable and accurate than carbs, hence you get more power, and more power more consistantly and economically. As you will no doubt know some fuel injection units are capable of adjusting themselves, therefore providing a more consistant power reading and performance. Also, due to the operation of the butterfly vs a slide in a carb, this has a beneficial effect as well. If it didn't, fuel injection would still run a slide like carbs do. Still, a well set up carb operates really well, hence why the Yamaha R1 persited with them after the other manufacturers had gone to injection, plus the Euro emission controls killed them off too.
A carburettor will not re-adjust automatically, therefore the atmoshpere will have more of an effect, until the carb is set, but due to the design of a carb, it is not always possible to get the correct needle taper and main jet match, then of course there is the slide cutaway to consider too, but as you have built race motors, you will know this.

It was a Factory Pro dyno, that is why I went there, the man knows his stuff, he currently build race engines for the NZ superbikes and 600 supersport. I take it you get annoyed with variuos magazines that quote hp at the crank, as how do they get that figure?

At no stage did I say or infer you are stupid, I would not do that as it can come back and bite you.

And for you info, I too have built race motors in the past, both 2 and 4 stroke, twin cylinder and four, never dealt with a triple or British bikes though, so there is a chink in my cv. I still do it now, and have done so for more than 18 years, is that enough experience for you?
I have known and dealt with many performance manufacturers and suppliers over that time, and as part of my job I need to keep up to date with the developments. I will admit I don't know all of the performance manufacturers and their entire parts range, but I know the ones I use, and how to get the best out of them. But, I am not beyond asking for help as things progress, and I have an open enough mind to listen to others, without name calling, or reducing it to a personal level.
Once again, it is clear we will not agree, but I have not dragged it down to a personal level, by questioning anyones history or knowledge. I am not picking holes in your thoughts, merely answering the points you raise, and explaining my side, this seems to have gotten a bit personal.
Shall we continue, or do you want to let it go? Again, what does it matter to you if someone claims they have more power than you think they have?
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Postby petefj40 » Mon Mar 10, 2008 7:11 pm

I think you two need to have a face to face chat (as one of you suggested). That would take more balls than responding to an online thread don't you think?

Anyway...
Can we get back to talking about "bikes I've had, and what I have now?" please? No offense or anything..

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Postby Dak » Mon Mar 10, 2008 7:21 pm

Can't be bothered, he likes to think he is always right, always has been that way. If he truely believes his bike is putting out a true 210 ish hp with those mods them I'm pretty sure every gixxer tuner on the planet would want to know how to do the same. Post your feelings on the gixxer forum and see how long it takes to get shot down in flames.

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Postby 85BJ73 » Mon Mar 10, 2008 7:42 pm

A good point from petefj40, but sadly another personal attack on me....considering you (DAK) only knew me for a matter of months, and only met me a few times. And then we did not talk overly much that I recall, save a few conversations at club meetings when you mentioned you were into bikes. I got the impression you gave them away after an incident or near miss, which we all have had, and damn scary too, or maybe that was someone else, but you sure made a quick judgement about me.
I conceed I can be forceful with my opinion, but if I am wrong, I admit it, and I am always ready to learn from others.
I have learned a lot of this from workmates and collegues, also, sadly by trial and expensive error!!

If you want to come and talk to me DAK, no problem, there is no animosity on my part, and never has been, as I did not really get enough time to get to know you.
I kinda get the impression I was tarred with the same brush as a mutual aquaintance, who was not well liked by you, (no doubt with just cause on your part as he could be abraisive to put it mildly) which is a bit sad really, as we seem to have some common interests.

Anyway, keep it rubberside down, and happy riding. :D
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Postby Dak » Mon Mar 10, 2008 8:04 pm

I kinda get the impression I was tarred with the same brush as a mutual aquaintance


Possibly so, anyhow enough is enough, off topic a bit, dunno if you watch any of this but damn these guys are goooood.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hg-TCHrQ0vU

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Postby sig » Mon Mar 10, 2008 8:21 pm

geez guys you sound like a couple of whinging poms .i started out with an rm 250 (early 80s model) then had a mixture of early (twin shock) xl 175 ,xr/xl 250s :D then had a dr 400 motor in an rm125 frame , then back to an xr 250 rf (twin carb grenade) for about 8years then a kdx 200 for another 9 years .meanwhile started quad riding with a suzuki lt 250 ,then a honda trx 300 and now i,m on a suzuki ltf 400 eiger .have also got a lt 50 + lt 80 and a pw 80 for the kids.just got rid of my kdx recently. that was the dirt side of things .on the road side of things have had gs 750 ,gpz 1100 big bored ,z1000 and a race prepped gsx r1100 .sold the road bikes to get a house a few years back ( quite a few)
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Postby Dak » Mon Mar 10, 2008 8:26 pm

geez guys you sound like a couple of whinging poms


Hey, I am a pom, NOT :D Can I have your old RM, was just looking at bikes for VMX, christ, since that started up prices have sky-rocketed.

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Postby 85BJ73 » Mon Mar 10, 2008 8:46 pm

I'm with DAK, I object to the POM comment, I am part Scottish........ :D

DAK, lets let bygons be bygons, and start again, I know ya ride a Honda, and me a Zuki, but I don't see why we can't get along, plus you have no doubt done some 4x4 trips in the last year when I have done nothing, an ya could tell me which ones are good, an which ones suck. Help a fella out here :)

The youtube guys are good, (not my kind of thing, I like watching racing, but they are good at what they do) there is no way I would even attempt half that stuff, they are definately skillful. I hate wheelies, part of my racing past I guess, big wheelie=loss of drive, hence slower, also you risk blowing fork seals, buckling wheels, but more likely the real reason is I am paranoid I will go over backwards!! :shock: Although sometimes the gixxer decides when the wheel comes up for ya 8) It is usually not high, but quite long.......
I read in a Keith Code book (twist of the wrist one and two, well worth buying them) that if you put a bike into a turn, and took your hand off the bars, the bike would keep on turning. I never doubted Keith (who would) but there was no way on earth I would try it, but damn, one of them has gone and done it!! Very impressive.

Yup, VMX is big and popular, a mate has two RM125's, both are aircooled, well one definately is, one is twin shock, the other an early full floater if I remember correctly one of them is a D model, the other I dunno. Funnily enough, I get parts for him, but as I don't really have an interest in VMX I dunno what they are!! :? But I could find out if anyone wants to know.
I want one of the RM500's, they look cool, an we have one at work, my work mate races it, it just looks cool!!
Too many toys wanted, not enough dosh :roll:
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Postby Dak » Mon Mar 10, 2008 8:53 pm

plus you have no doubt done some 4x4 trips in the last year when I have done nothing,


Havn't done a lot in the last year or so, went to all the years winch comps, but it's died a bit so far this year, just done the usual play in Terawhiti with some of the winch guys.

The youtube guys are good, (not my kind of thing, I like watching racing, but they are good at what they do)


Sameo, like watching them but wouldn't attempt quarter of the stuff they do.

I want one of the RM500's, they look cool, an we have one at work, my work mate races it, it just looks cool!!


Did he go out to Whangahu on Sunday? There was a REAL tidy RM500 out there.

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Postby 85BJ73 » Mon Mar 10, 2008 9:00 pm

He was racing/riding his RMZ 450, the RM500 is owned by Russell Burling, (ex Ssangyong Wanganui fame I think) Ross only rides it, not too sure if it was there or not, I think he just rode the RMZ.......I don't think the RM500 has done a lot since he put a new piston in it. Lucky bugger bought the last genuine Suzuki pistons they had left in NZ & Japan....probably some floating 'round on OZ and the US, but Japan has obsoleted them now. Not too sure if they were oversize or std either.....
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Postby nstg8a » Tue Mar 11, 2008 11:04 am

nstg8a wrote:
petefj40 wrote:Hey Steve.

I brought this KLX 250 last week. Brought it for road and off road use. I still like my quads. It just the 2 wheeler can get into places the quad can't. It's a 2004 model. Done about 40,000k. Both my quads are away getting straighten. :roll: So I'm glad i have something to get dirty on. :D

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that is mean... and roadlegal.... i want it lol



so when you gonna sell.....

let me know when you do, im keen for a good roadlegal dirtbike.

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Postby petefj40 » Tue Mar 11, 2008 3:12 pm

I'll be selling it around 6-8 months from now. Once i get my full bike license.

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