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g force

Postby mercutio » Sun Mar 16, 2008 11:36 pm

yeah you won't believe it i am actually doing some mods to the g
first thing i need to deal with is the springs

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as you can see it sits a little low at the back which is a bit of an issue best seen in this pic

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notice how you can't actually see the diff previously when 4wding i have been dragging my tank everywhere
so decided i need some height
about 100mm on the back and 80 on the front looks about right

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looks better from the side too

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then yorick and i thought wonder what it would look like with 33 inch mudzillas :D :D

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must admit have finalised the tyre size yet we are still debating that yorick reckons 33s but i think why bother going half way better with 35s what do you guys reckon :) :)
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Re: g force

Postby yorick » Mon Mar 17, 2008 12:29 am

There is a little disagreement here :D I agree so I did a little GIMP modification to the pics and upsized the Paj's Buckshots to 35 for the purposes of comparison

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and compare that to the 33s

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Now personally I think it's all about proportions and the 35's are too big but the 33's look perfectly matched, obviously made for it. :D

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Re: g force

Postby 86-surf » Mon Mar 17, 2008 8:43 am

i would like to see the G on 35''s

Looks better with lift to,

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Re: g force

Postby DieselBoy » Mon Mar 17, 2008 3:28 pm

Are you putting your turbo charged engine into it??

Are the diffs 8" or 9"???

IF you have 8" diffs, you could get away with 33's most likely, you also have factory twin lockers remember!!!!!!

BUT............................

If you wanna be THE MAN and drive EVERYTHING, figure out if you can squeeze the 35's under there. Especially if your fitting the turboed engine!!!!!!


Oh, and Dad's are always offering conservative advice, you don't HAVE to listen ALL the time :mrgreen: :mrgreen:
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Re: g force

Postby KiwiBacon » Mon Mar 17, 2008 4:47 pm

How much trimming will you need to fit the bigger shoes on?
I say if you can't get there with 33's, will 35's make any difference.

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Re: g force

Postby yorick » Mon Mar 17, 2008 5:01 pm

DieselBoy wrote:Are you putting your turbo charged engine into it??

Are the diffs 8" or 9"???

IF you have 8" diffs, you could get away with 33's most likely, you also have factory twin lockers remember!!!!!!


Listen to the man he speak much sense

.......Up until about here! :D

DB wrote: BUT............................

If you wanna be THE MAN and drive EVERYTHING, figure out if you can squeeze the 35's under there. Especially if your fitting the turboed engine!!!!!!


But the 33s just look better, more in proportion. 33's on the G are like Terri Hatcher's Breasts, BEEEyoootifully proportioned for the chassis, whereas 35s would be like Pamela Anderson's, sure there's a lot traction, but the bouncing would get boring eventually and that's with out even mentioning the CoG! :D

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It is a Dads role to always offer unsolicited advise as he sees fit and to make the life of Daughters Male acquaintances a misery! Both rules are in the constitution... somewhere! :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

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Re: g force

Postby De-Ranged » Mon Mar 17, 2008 5:30 pm

I'd say 35"s as a minimum why not just admit your gona get the bug and keep at it... save yourself some money and go get 44" boggers :lol: :twisted: mind you thats only my experiance :roll:
More to the piont is can you get taller ratios for the diffs?? that should be your main decider, asuming your standard tires are 30"s then the jump to 35"s will mean a 16% jump in rolling diameter or around that sort of loss in torque :shock:... the 33"s are only a 10% jump :|

as for diffs don't listen to them, a lower ratio 8" is plenty strong enough if setup right... for 35"s hell the americans are crawling on high ratio 8's with 39-44" rubber allright they are on aftermarket gears but talk to Jafa, he's got Yukon gears at a very nice price :wink: G wagons are popular enough in europe they should make some options

Hey Merc if your tank is an issue why not fix it, instead of lifting the whole truck :wink: .... cut the floor out and mount it higher then weld the floor back in a bit higher 8) simple
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Re: g force

Postby mercutio » Mon Mar 17, 2008 8:00 pm

De-Ranged wrote:as for diffs don't listen to them, a lower ratio 8" is plenty strong enough if setup right... for 35"s hell the americans are crawling on high ratio 8's with 39-44" rubber allright they are on aftermarket gears but talk to Jafa, he's got Yukon gears at a very nice price :wink: G wagons are popular enough in europe they should make some options

i can get 6.17:1 from mercedes benz about 600 euros each
Hey Merc if your tank is an issue why not fix it, instead of lifting the whole truck :wink: .... cut the floor out and mount it higher then weld the floor back in a bit higher 8) simple


because it is a plastic tank with the 100mm lift on the back it does lift it right up out of the way and since there isn't much of an overhang i don't think it will be much of an issue
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Re: g force

Postby mercutio » Mon Mar 17, 2008 8:15 pm

DieselBoy wrote:Are you putting your turbo charged engine into it??


yes finally

took the head off the other week and found this

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hmm that doesn't quite look right so have ordered new one and valve guide plus a set of valve seals
it has an interesting set up on the valves it is an overhead cam and the valves are adjusted basically with a locknut and capped nut on the end of the valve
so will put the new one in this weekend

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not forgetting to attach this thing

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should give me close to 120 hp a bit of a step up from the 88 it has at the moment and i am thinking about an intercooler as well apparently they do help quite a bit on these engines
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Re: g force

Postby mercutio » Mon Mar 17, 2008 8:19 pm

noticed leaky seals on the back axle so removed the axle check this out man it is tapered how kewl is that :D :D
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Re: g force

Postby SupraLux » Wed Mar 19, 2008 7:07 am

Good to see it getting some mods - but trust me, buy the biggest tyres you can fit on it, if you don't then you'll just wish you had the first time you get stuck - if you get stuck with the biggest tyres you can fit then at least you can say "Well, theres no room for more rubber, so I'll have to mod something else" :)

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Postby rayndeb » Wed Mar 19, 2008 4:42 pm

The g wagens are a sweet wagon ..Post more pics as you do the build up.. If the 35s are rubbing with susp lift chuck some blocks under the body..
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Re: g force

Postby mercutio » Wed Mar 19, 2008 6:36 pm

SupraLux wrote:Good to see it getting some mods - but trust me, buy the biggest tyres you can fit on it, if you don't then you'll just wish you had the first time you get stuck - if you get stuck with the biggest tyres you can fit then at least you can say "Well, theres no room for more rubber, so I'll have to mod something else" :)

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that is my theory as well so why stop halfway with 33s when i can get 35s especially as i am not intending to use them as my road tyres i already have a 2 sets of 16 x 5.5 inch rims to run road going tyres on
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Re: g force

Postby Sadam_Husain » Wed Mar 19, 2008 7:47 pm

Yeah go with the big tyres...... its a bloke thing :shock: :roll: :P

See if you can borrow some to try first and see how the G Force handles the tall gearing and what the power and torque loss is like before you spend the dollars commit yourself :wink:

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Re: g force

Postby mercutio » Wed Mar 19, 2008 8:02 pm

Sadam_Husain wrote:Yeah go with the big tyres...... its a bloke thing :shock: :roll: :P

See if you can borrow some to try first and see how the G Force handles the tall gearing and what the power and torque loss is like before you spend the dollars commit yourself :wink:

:lol: :lol:
bit difficult to borrow tyres to fit a g wagen unless you know someone with a porsche on mud tyres
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Re: g force

Postby shortylux » Wed Mar 19, 2008 11:46 pm

If its just a toy, then using the above similie, go pamela!

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Re: g force

Postby yorick » Thu Mar 20, 2008 6:48 am

shortylux wrote:If its just a toy, then using the above similie, go pamela!

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

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Re: g force

Postby Sadam_Husain » Thu Mar 20, 2008 7:36 am

mercutio wrote:
bit difficult to borrow tyres to fit a g wagen unless you know someone with a porsche on mud tryes


I see now..... I looked a bit closer at those pic's and the 33 Paj tyres were just sitting under the wheel arches and wernt bolted on.... unless theres some way you can fit 6 stud wheels to 5 stud hubs that I dont know about? :mrgreen:

I guess it will be a bit difficult to try somebody elses 35's out then :|

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Re: g force

Postby mercutio » Sun Mar 23, 2008 8:18 pm

okay made some progress on the g friday made a small start decided to make a bit of space around the engine to make the job a little bit easier so removed a couple of things that were in the way

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right so after playing silly buggers yesterday at thompsons got stuck into the g again today

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now i have an empty space to put a new motor :D :D

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right will see what i get up to tomorrow might get the replacement trans and short block in still waiting for parts so haven't got the head back on the motor but we can do that after the motor is in place
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Postby mercutio » Tue Mar 25, 2008 8:50 pm

woohoo my engine parts arrived today just got to find the time to put the motor back together will not be this weekend got the laurie sanson to attend :D :D
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Re: g force

Postby SupraLux » Tue Mar 25, 2008 11:41 pm

You have a digger for pulling out your motor??? lucky bugger :)

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Postby mercutio » Wed Mar 26, 2008 7:18 pm

SupraLux wrote:You have a digger for pulling out your motor??? lucky bugger :)


yeah it is a handy little toy :D :D :D
not as smooth as an engine stand though
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Re: g force

Postby SupraLux » Wed Mar 26, 2008 8:45 pm

Maybe not, but you can't make 4WD obstacles with an engine crane :)

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Postby mercutio » Wed Mar 26, 2008 8:56 pm

SupraLux wrote:Maybe not, but you can't make 4WD obstacles with an engine crane :)

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i had never thought of that before :D :D
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Postby De-Ranged » Thu Mar 27, 2008 7:12 am

mercutio wrote:
SupraLux wrote:Maybe not, but you can't make 4WD obstacles with an engine crane :)

Steve


i had never thought of that before :D :D


:lol: :lol: :lol: There goes the back yard 8)

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Re: g force

Postby 86-surf » Thu Mar 27, 2008 8:11 am

De-Ranged wrote:
mercutio wrote:
SupraLux wrote:Maybe not, but you can't make 4WD obstacles with an engine crane :)

Steve


i had never thought of that before :D :D


:lol: :lol: :lol: There goes the back yard 8)



Next trip arround these ways is your house then?

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Re: g force

Postby yorick » Thu Mar 27, 2008 9:14 am

86-surf wrote:
De-Ranged wrote:
SupraLux wrote:Maybe not, but you can't make 4WD obstacles with an engine crane :)

Steve



:lol: :lol: :lol: There goes the back yard 8)



Next trip arround these ways is your house then?



Bugger off, It may be his digger, but it's my bloody backyard.....

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You get first go then...

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Re: g force

Postby mercutio » Thu Apr 03, 2008 7:08 pm

look what got delivered today :D :D

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hope to get them fitted this weekend :mrgreen: :mrgreen:
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Re: g force

Postby mercutio » Sat Apr 05, 2008 8:24 pm

bugger
so i put my new rear springs in today after i replaced the wheel bearings and seals and well umm i think there has been a error somewhere along the way :? :?

the distance between the top of my tyres and the wheel arch is now 250mm so i could fit 38s without too much hassle :D :D :D but i don't want to go that big have to send them back i think
i am not sure whether to try fitting the front ones as they feel harder than the old ones and are quite a bit longer than the originals
to be honest the front ones look like they may need to remake them
yorick did ring them when they got delivered and said they don't look right they said try them and if there are issues send them back and they will sort them out

another thing that came out of this is that i need new shocks the current ones have the thread on one end and the eye on the other and as a result they do bind up a at full droop the shocks i pulled out have a bit of a bend in them :shock: :shock:
still got more work to do tomorrow will attack the engine and trans did get the new valve guide in today so will get the valve bedded or whatever you call it and then hope to get the head on and reassemble the rest of it ready for the transplant
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