wanted cheap solid axle surf or db hilux!

86-surf · Post by **86-surf** » Wed Dec 05, 2007 4:56 pm

as the title says

:twisted:

Got to me this time wopass :twisted:

turoa · Post by **turoa** » Wed Dec 05, 2007 5:15 pm

As already mentioned, sas = easy

86-surf · Post by **86-surf** » Wed Dec 05, 2007 5:18 pm

Yea man i here ya, Just thinking what one is easyer faster and cheaper.

If i do a sas i have to get it certed wich i been told cost 2k and i ant going to spend 2k on a solid front axle conversion!.

NJV6 · Post by **NJV6** » Wed Dec 05, 2007 5:26 pm

Hey Jase,

A SAS will not make your truck invincible! A locker would do a better job and cheaper.

A cert is not req'd and a cert does not cost $2k.

86-surf · Post by **86-surf** » Wed Dec 05, 2007 5:29 pm

So most people are bullshiters then, I have a lsd in the rear, But i want to put a solid axle in the front because you get more flex and you can lift easyer

niblik · Post by **niblik** » Wed Dec 05, 2007 5:39 pm

86-surf wrote:So most people are bullshiters then,

oh for shits sake...

Taz · Post by **Taz** » Wed Dec 05, 2007 5:39 pm

Who told you it was 2k?

86-surf · Post by **86-surf** » Wed Dec 05, 2007 5:43 pm

I'm not sure i just herd some people talking about it,

What you meen nibbz

hosehustler · Post by **hosehustler** » Wed Dec 05, 2007 5:53 pm

why buy a cheap shitter and spend thousands of hours and dollars modifying it :lol:

Bite the bullet, get the cash and buy this...trust me it WILL work out cheaper by far in the long run :wink:

http://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/Listing ... =130341606

NJV6 · Post by **NJV6** » Wed Dec 05, 2007 5:53 pm

What Nibbz is saying - Do a Coil conversion. Easiest by far.

Gear req'd,
Big ass Angle grinder
1 bic 'Click' pen
13 Paper clips
2 more paper clips incase of botch ups
Jumper leads
1 x 12 volt battery

1) Grind off IFS.
2) Get 2 paper clips. wrap around a bic pen, then slide pen out. These are your coil springs
3) Straighten 2 more for your radius arms. No need to measure providing you use the same clips.
4) You will need 1 more for a panhard
5) One for Tie rod
6) One for steering arm link and half a dozen for welding rods.
7) Attach jumper leads to paper clips and strike like an arc welder.

Weld up
9) test drive to certifier

Violah - I reckon a day should have it done. Hardest bits will be getting steps 4,5,6 the right length. Make all the mounts out of ground off bits of IFS

muddy_munke · Post by **muddy_munke** » Wed Dec 05, 2007 5:56 pm

HA HA HA, Classic. Paper Clip Tech is F#$%en awesome.

86-surf · Post by **86-surf** » Wed Dec 05, 2007 6:03 pm

hosehustler wrote:why buy a cheap shitter and spend thousands of hours and dollars modifying it
Bite the bullet, get the cash and buy this...trust me it WILL work out cheaper by far in the long run
http://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/Listing ... =130341606

I would love to but i'm not going to, because i don't have 7k :lol:

wopass · Post by **wopass** » Wed Dec 05, 2007 6:53 pm

LVV cert is $350 :wink:

beam axle and components.... bout the same SAS = $800 (ish)

86-surf · Post by **86-surf** » Wed Dec 05, 2007 6:58 pm

Can some one list the parts that i will need or have missed out in the list bellow?.

solid axle,

leaf springs,

high steer or what ever it's called,

custom drive shaft,

Is that all i need or is there more?,

Thanks

rangimotors · Post by **rangimotors** » Wed Dec 05, 2007 10:38 pm

without trying to sond like an arsehole. DO A SEARCH! how interested in this conversion are you? many have done it before and there are lots of good threads about it. Price all depends on how much you can do your self and also how cheap you can pick up the second hand parts for.

muddy_munke · Post by **muddy_munke** » Wed Dec 05, 2007 11:11 pm

U will need a front cross member and rear shackles. and some tube to put through the chassis rails to hang the shackles from. panhard rod too i think?? new shocks and mounts??

spanky · Post by **spanky** » Thu Dec 06, 2007 6:59 am

jase i will check at work today what bits are worth, or how much the solid axle surf chassis is that is at the yard.
vaughan

86-surf · Post by **86-surf** » Thu Dec 06, 2007 9:42 am

Thanks spanky that would be awsome

niblik · Post by **niblik** » Thu Dec 06, 2007 10:16 am

so, just to clarify, you're 15, no job, so that perhaps entails no coin for the multiple threads on mods as opposed to using the 'search' function, and you're lookin to do a v8 conversion on some nissan thingy whatsit, sas or buy a solid axle surf, you dont have a full liscense, too lazy to go look on ya rig and would rather post....?

bud............

all i'm sayin is try and curb some enthusiasm and focus ya thoughts on what you need for now.. youre young and keen, sweet, but dont let that get in the way of achieving the end result and make yaself look like a post whorin punk in the process...

mho.

Steve_t647 · Post by **Steve_t647** » Thu Dec 06, 2007 11:19 am

I would suggest if you are looking at doing this to look at insurance costs, I am not sure you will get any insurance and apart from that the cost of speeding fines is cripleing (I know I sold my Evo because of them).

If you are keen and can do most of the work yourself then I would do an SAS.

You need to make front hangers for the leaf springs and bushes,
rear hangers for the shakles,
shakles, a set of bushes,
caster correction wedges to correct the pinion angle,
steel and ball joints to make a crossover steering arm,
Plates to move the power steering box forward on the chassis,
modify the front radiator crossmember (BFH Big Friendly Hammer), extended steering arm (or a spacer)
and a few u bolts,
to match the front you will need to make rear spring hangers,
longer shakles for the back.

Then you need to buy the following bits

Front Axle
I would do a full bearing kit on the new axle,
install a locker into it (or a LSD (breaks less bits)) So you actualy go further
crossover steering arm's (Jaffa's or a factory modified the way a certifier will accept and longer stud's for one knuckle)
Leaf Springs (you can use your rears in front and a few leaves from a junkyard spring)
Grease
Oils to replace those in the diff
Driveshaft (You cannot make this it needs to be certified)
Rear springs from a Falcon or something similar length and spring rate or after market rear springs.
the Gas, Cutting disks, welding wire, drill bits and all the workshop tools.
Certification.

Depending on what your abilities are you will have a truck that is modified but can be driven around by and IFS Surf with a front and rear locker

It depends on how you drive and how much money you want to spend (you will never get it all back) and a SAS is cooler but going further is better. For me I think the best money would be buying one half done or complete like hosehustler

with your 4wd I would look at replaceing the current front diff with a Supra LSD unit, there is info on this site about the swap. After that look at a rear locker. Then look at the brakes and do a rear disk conversion. With any vehicle a solid axle swap does not stop at just a swap. The front solid axle is stronger but there is a lot more that need's done.

Also I would look at finishing one project before you move onto another, that way you can sell one to support the next one and the more you change you mind and put people off now the harder it will be in the future when you need to ask a real question, or a hand to do something. Smaller steps usually work better and the best truck driven by the worst driver will not go any further than a standard truck driven by a good driver.

EDIT: Spelling

wopass · Post by **wopass** » Thu Dec 06, 2007 12:02 pm

Steve_t647 wrote:the best truck driven by the worst driver will not go any further than a standard truck driven by a good driver.

EDIT: Spelling

lucky i have a really good truck !...cos im a crap driver :lol:

Post by **mike** » Thu Dec 06, 2007 12:09 pm

Try to keep the negative crap to a minimum :evil:

Nibby has told him so leave it at that.

Mike

Steve_t647 · Post by **Steve_t647** » Thu Dec 06, 2007 12:16 pm

wopass wrote:
Steve_t647 wrote:the best truck driven by the worst driver will not go any further than a standard truck driven by a good driver.

EDIT: Spelling

lucky i have a really good truck !...cos im a crap driver

I think you get a lot further than a Standard truck driven by a good driver Wopass so something is not right, it must be a really kickass truck! Either that or you and the mo in Glasses with a cold scare's the track and truck so much you will never get stuck (the mud freezes, tree's bow out of the way :twisted:

and Matt4u I posted in case someone uses the Search function, better to find a shit thread with some tech rather than a shit thread and get nothing out of it.

Think of the next Newbie who actually tries to do research on ORE

86-surf · Post by **86-surf** » Thu Dec 06, 2007 2:01 pm

Are most of you assholes, Or do you just like to pick on the young new keen guy?. AKA me

And i do, do a bit of reserch it's wen i can't find what im looking for that i do this.

And you can growl wop for this idea he put it into my head :lol:

,

Oh and i do have a job,

rangimotors · Post by **rangimotors** » Thu Dec 06, 2007 2:17 pm

The proof will be in the pudding.

86-surf · Post by **86-surf** » Thu Dec 06, 2007 2:48 pm

i do work, it not the best job but hey i get payd in parts :lol:

Steve_t647 · Post by **Steve_t647** » Thu Dec 06, 2007 2:50 pm

http://www.offroadexpress.co.nz/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&t=1147&highlight=sas

This is a full build up by someone who has done a few, he is a good bloke too and you can buy a lot of bits off him you will need.
and another one

http://www.offroadexpress.co.nz/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&t=1671&highlight=lemon

86-surf · Post by **86-surf** » Thu Dec 06, 2007 2:53 pm

Steve_t647 wrote:http://www.offroadexpress.co.nz/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&t=1147&highlight=sas

This is a full build up by someone who has done a few, he is a good bloke too and you can buy a lot of bits off him you will need.

Thank's steve, read the hole thing, good info (well most of the time)

Thanks

86-surf · Post by **86-surf** » Thu Dec 06, 2007 6:37 pm

Ok, well i sat my self down and had a little think, I asked my self what am I going to be doing with my surf, Well im not going to be doing any rock crawling so there's no reason for flex there, So why do I need to sas?, now im trying to find a right up about the bj spacers, But I can't find them any where is ther one still on here?

Jezza · Post by **Jezza** » Thu Dec 06, 2007 6:42 pm

google is your friend

http://www.google.co.nz/search?hl=en&q=4runner+ball+joint+spacers&btnG=Google+Search&meta=