new project in the pipe line

2roky · Post by **2roky** » Tue Dec 11, 2007 10:02 pm

now that project hard rock has pretty much come to an end im starting to think of a new project...........

project hatsu will be the name of this one

so far my idea is this..... take one stock standard feroza remove underpowerd stock motor and replace with.............. (unsure of type or size of new motor),
hilux gear and transfer case

throw away standard suspension and go hilux rears n rear, throw away ifs set up and go solid axle (hilux frnt n rear)

all mods will be certified n made road leagal

all ideas so far nothing concrete just gota sort out prices etc n go from there

would like to hear any ideas and suggestions anyone has n no i wont just go buy another truck so dont suggest it.

meece4x4 · Post by **meece4x4** » Wed Dec 12, 2007 7:59 am

2roky wrote:now that project hard rock has pretty much come to an end im starting to think of a new project...........

project hatsu will be the name of this one

so far my idea is this..... take one stock standard feroza remove underpowerd stock motor and replace with.............. (unsure of type or size of new motor),
hilux gear and transfer case

throw away standard suspension and go hilux rears n rear, throw away ifs set up and go solid axle (hilux frnt n rear)

all mods will be certified n made road leagal

all ideas so far nothing concrete just gota sort out prices etc n go from there

would like to hear any ideas and suggestions anyone has n no i wont just go buy another truck so dont suggest it.

I'd love to see one with the Holden VN 3.8 V6 shoehorned into it .. theres a guy in oz on "that other great Diahatsu forum" that has a v6 in his I think.

although mounting up the holden auto box to the Fez transfer case would require some fabrication work think a 3.8 V6 would make the little fez honk along quite nicely :twisted:

2roky · Post by **2roky** » Wed Dec 12, 2007 7:20 pm

it would but i think i might go diesel with the way the fuel prices are going. although in such a light vehicle it probly wouldnt be too bad....... i'll be throwing the t case and box away and going hilux i think.

WACKO · Post by **WACKO** » Wed Dec 12, 2007 9:18 pm

if the price off gas is a concern.. go LPG. cheaper than diesel and no road user charges.

2roky · Post by **2roky** » Wed Dec 12, 2007 9:38 pm

what motors where lpg, n wouldn there be the prob of lpg being less available? sorry never had much to do with lpg

meece4x4 · Post by **meece4x4** » Thu Dec 13, 2007 7:41 am

2roky wrote:what motors where lpg, n wouldn there be the prob of lpg being less available? sorry never had much to do with lpg

My mate has a V6 3.8 VN Commie and it's suprisingly good on gas .. does a round trip from Whangarei to Auckland (320 km + say 130km cruising) plus running around Aucks on $70 ... my little Feroza can do the same on $50 but with less weight the V6 would be better on gas mainly cause you will have higher gearing in the hilux diffs (4.11 compared to 5.2?? of the Fez)

The V6's are real good on gas on the open road ..... sucks it around town
the Fez is real good on gas around town ......sucks it on the open road (prob because it's screaming it's ring out @ 100kph)

As for LPG places like Shell, Caltex and BP gas station in the major centers have LPG ... most of the provincal gas stations dont have lpg (up here in the north anyway) personally i dont know if the VN V6 can be converted to gas but I have seen a few Commies around sniffing gas. (maybe they a the V8 ones??)

still if your looking as a SAS conversion with Hilux diffs/g/box/t/fer case ya might as well go with the 2.8 deisel motor anyway .. saves having to worry about adaptors for the g/box

all good fun :lol:

2roky · Post by **2roky** » Thu Dec 13, 2007 6:02 pm

im thinking i might go with the commie as there's more of them around and i think i know where i can get one at a reasonable price. next problem is to decide weather or not to go or auto and just throw a transfer case on or go the whole hog and get a gear box as well.

SupraLux · Post by **SupraLux** » Thu Dec 13, 2007 8:28 pm

Sounds like it will be a great project... go the commie but do some measuring before you begin... the TH700 auto on those is quite long, so by the time you put a t/c on the back of it you won't have much room for a driveshaft... I'm going through the same thing with my MU.

I can supply the auto adaptor, and I'm just looking into the 5-speed kits as well - trying my best to avoid marks 4x4 stuff out of aussie at all costs... there are plenty of other options tho.

The Hilux axles will be good too... use Hilux rear springs in the front too... slightly longer, better arch and they will pull the front axle further forward, which means better flex and better approach angles.

Steve

2roky · Post by **2roky** » Thu Dec 13, 2007 8:57 pm

just from ya sayin that the auto is quite long im not goin to go near it i'll go 5speed hilux g/t box.

what gear box would be best to use?

and as for the springs they were going to be what i used as these that many of them around these days

could you supply the adapter to go from the motor to the lux gear box or would it be just as easy to get me engineer to knock one up while hes doin the work?

SupraLux · Post by **SupraLux** » Fri Dec 14, 2007 6:52 am

The adaptors are available, I'll price the 5-speed kit up for you and let you know. You'll need a G52 (most Hilux Utes) or W56 (86-89 IFS 3-door Surfs mainly) 5-speed box complete, a new bellhousing, flywheel, clutch kit, associated bits and bobs (spigot bearing, slave cylinder, clutch fork etc), and you also need to take into account that you'll need modified driveshafts and selectors, custom crossmember etc...

Having said that you may choose to go with a later model 5-speed (R150 or R151) from a 5-door Surf - these are stronger but often more expensive to buy and seemingly a little harder to stumble across - they also require a different bellhousing so you need to make that decision early on. I don't know which is shorter offhand.

You might want to measure the Holden auto and make your own decision on that too - I've yet to compare lengths, I just know it looks longer than the 5-speed but I could be wrong (it happened once, don't tell anyone

). The auto adapter is about 3" thick, and it replaces the output housing so it doesn't add any length to the auto, and the t/c bolts to that... I'll see if I can get some accurate measurements off mine for you in the next few days. What is the distance between the flat part of the firewall and the input flange of the rear diff (bearing in mind if you are going big tyres you'll probably push that back about 50-100mm if possible - its easier to remove metalwork behind the wheel arches than in front of it generally speaking).

Steve

2roky · Post by **2roky** » Sat Dec 15, 2007 10:28 pm

just had a rough measure up and the dist from the fire wall is about 1500 give or take close on 100mm.

the gear box n tcase are about 900 from the front of the bellhousing to the rear out put shaft

the engine bay is 800 from the firewall to the front cross member where the radiator sits and is aprox 700-800 between engine mounts

only had a very rough measure up sorry

Rotazuk · Post by **Rotazuk** » Sun Dec 16, 2007 1:13 am

I have to ask , is it worth swapping out for a diesel ? Why not just get a late model turbo rocky ? Solid axle already and factory diesel etc . Makes a lot of work for something already of the shelf .

Now the v6 is another story :twisted:

Chris

2roky · Post by **2roky** » Sun Dec 16, 2007 1:27 am

im not going diesel any more, decided to go v6,

and i considered doing that but i like the feroza shape too much and ive kind of grown attached to mine, ive had it for 6 years now and done almost 200,000 in it,

and also theres not very many in the world that have been done up like im planing on doing so it would push the resale value up a bit. and who knows i might even try and get into the winch challenge scene with it after i get out of uni

but overall i could spend say 8grand and get a good second cruiser or other generic type truck. or i could spend a bit less and get pretty much a totally different truck in the original shape.

why do we do it? ................ cause we can :lol:

meece4x4 · Post by **meece4x4** » Sun Dec 16, 2007 7:13 am

well ..... got this thread bookmarked now ... going to be an interesting project .. might look at going down the same lines sometime in the future .. my little 1600cc's valve guides are getting a little tired .. not too bad just a little blowby but i can smell it in the cab when the tops off .. i can get a V6 pretty easy and cheeply (my stocky mates all seem to use VN's as tow cars for some reason) either that or my mate has a complete p76 long block and box i can have for a couple of boxes of codys ... :wink:

and yeah I can understand about not wanting to buy a generic toysan truck ... I used to have both a Surf and a V6 Vitara .. both I sold because I liked the Feroza more (and it can piss over both of them for offroad performance).. it's just a fun little truck to drive on and off road i get stopped and asked about mine all the time ... ive had christ knows how many offers to buy or swap mine (for some reason 20-30yo woman love the look of them) I had one bird driving a Zuk sj 413 softtop want to swap .. got to admit i did think long and hard about that one. but in the end the Fez just suits me :lol:

GO FOR IT ... and death to the heritics

2roky · Post by **2roky** » Sun Dec 16, 2007 1:59 pm

running the mud tyres and snorkel gets quite a few looks and ive also had a few people stop me to ask questions about what ive done to it.

havent had anyone want to buy mine yet probly a bit rough looking, all covered in scratches and a few dents here and there for good measure.

now just got to put a new drive shaft on the play truck take it for a trip and flick it off for a reasonable amount then use the proceeds to fund the new project

anyone want to buy a build up 2.8 rocky? lol u'll get the truck and a set of custom rims a set of 215/15 cooper at's on rims to keep it mobile and a front and rear diff/ full axle steering braking set up.

2roky · Post by **2roky** » Mon Dec 17, 2007 8:12 pm

the sas part of the modification has been kind of sorted out and stepped forward to the end of my uni holidays as i had a little oops with the front diff just before and broke it.

meece4x4 · Post by **meece4x4** » Tue Dec 18, 2007 6:14 am

2roky wrote:the sas part of the modification has been kind of sorted out and stepped forward to the end of my uni holidays as i had a little oops with the front diff just before and broke it.

ouch .. how'd ya do that?

2roky · Post by **2roky** » Tue Dec 18, 2007 6:49 pm

climbing up a bank onto a road lifted the front wheels as i hit the top as it was a full power climb at over 5m and 45degrees plus, i think i may have droped it on a rock either that or put way to much load on it

meece4x4 · Post by **meece4x4** » Tue Dec 18, 2007 7:18 pm

ouch .. sorry about having to double post ... I spotted your explanation after I had posted :oops:

yeah ive had mine airborne in the nose a number of times and havnt broke a diff *yet* must have been the full noise eh :lol:

btw if you get hold of Mighty Mouse of at http://carl.outerlimits4x4.com he's done the V6 on his rocky so he may be able to throw you a couple of pointers

2roky · Post by **2roky** » Tue Dec 18, 2007 7:34 pm

na thats sweet as gave me something to do n ill try to get hold of him. i was thinking i might even try to track down a v6 pajero and swap the whole engine and drive train in and sas it with the hilux diffs. would be slightly easier i think.

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