lift kit info

[fat-boy]

hows it all im a newbie to 4x4's and all.
im curently in the boy racer scene and rotary scene but wanting to venture off to other parts of moter vehical experinces.

i have not got my heart set on getting a 91 toyota hilux surf double cab.
i want to jack it to its max.
were do i start ?
i want it to be high as f**k beyond the point where i need a ladder.

i also want a seriously huge tyre's on it

i.e. monsta truck

but i have no clue on w.t.f to do.

so if anyone can help me out and all it would be awsome.

i also wanna know wat options are out there in the wat of lift kits. and the costs of these kits. certing ?

cheerz
tony

p.s. i dnt know 4x4 lingo

[SupraLux]

Welcome to the REAL world of motorsport. 4WDs are all about parking on RX-7s and Supras

First up, have a read here:
http://www.offroadexpress.co.nz/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&p=10828#10828

Its a bit of an intro to a few things you can do and how to do them.

Also, The Hilux Surf is the station wagon version, and the Hilux is the ute version - theres no hilux surf double-cab - well, not one I've seen anyway. A double cab would be a good starting point because it has a solid front axle, which is a far better offroad system than the IFS front suspension that the Surfs have in that year. Also, its easier to:

be high as f**k beyond the point where i need a ladder.

Ok, a few facts about lifts:

With leaf springs, anything over 3" or 4" or so in a Hilux will probably be poser value only - the springs are probably going to have too much arch, and be too stiff to do any decent flexing. Higher is not always better. A system that combines flexibility with looong travelling shocks will outperform it offroad. Or are you looking for something that can park on RX-7's and Supras?

Big tyres = big dollars. Expect to pay $400-500 each for good 'big' tyres (35-38"). You'll find this is likely to be the single biggest expense but the single most worth while thing you buy. Ask around here before buying them... there will be some good advice depending on what you want to use the truck for.

The other thing that can suck money is an engine conversion - big tyres need to be turned, and a 2.4 diesel will struggle... a 2.8 won't fare much better. They will turn them... just slowly LT1 350 Chev V8s, 3.5l Rover V8's, 1UZ V8's, 2JZ 6-cyl's, 5M and 7M 6-cyls... these are all good transplant options for a Hilux - each with ups and downs mechanically and cost-wise. Have a look at http://www.4wd.net.nz for some good gen on probably the simplest and cheapest power plant upgrade for a 'Lux.

Hmmm... thats probably enough to confuse you at this point... keep reading, and keep asking questions. Oh, and go buy that 91 d-cab...

Steve

[fat-boy]

cheerz bud

i c alot of 2" suspention lifts out there is there like a 6" or a 8" or even bigger ? wat sorta options to i have for a hilux ?


cheerz
tony

p.s. i was in taranga a few weeks back and i saw this huge truck and it had like 6 white shocks with red springs on teh read diff alone.......
but f**k it looked hiiiigh.

[SupraLux]

I think I know the truck you mean... Thats a huuuuge money-pit from what I've heard, and is a show truck, not a go truck.

What do you want to build? A street cruising show pony or a hardcore offroad kickass beast? Thats gonna make a huuuge difference to how you go about this whole process - and the show pony truck is probably gonna cost you more for all the bling you'll have to build in, and it'll perform worse ('cos of all the bling you're gonna build in )

Details...

I-don't-got-no-bling-bling Steve

[fat-boy]

lol i like the way u put it haha

im not goin to do no rock climbing/bush/offroad course's

i want a truck that everyone looks up to me in

i want a toyota hilux double cab with crome roll bars painted gloss black with mirror tints

i want a rediculsly high truck that i need a ladder to get into

tyres the size of a small car

so yea i want a show pony bling bling

and if i ever get the chance i want to drive over a honda civic

cheerz
tony

[DieselBoy]

im not goin to do no rock climbing/bush/offroad course's

www.offroadexpress.co.nz

[DaveM]

www.offroadexpress.co.nz

EXACTLY!
Do you know how a lifted 4wd handles? Hopefully your not one of the boy racer idiot types that can't even drive a lowered RX3 let alone a 8" lifted 4wd!

[monaro427]

looks like you are in the site if you want to lift a hilux sky high and drive around looking like a poser,got to get mud, stuck and dig yourself out not turtle wax and shamies with stick on mud

[SupraLux]

Well, I'm trying not to laugh but it's not working

I'm torn between offering you some advice and being ridiculed by my peers and just ignoring you in the hope you'll go away and find a nice gt-r skyline to play with...

Oh, what the hell... I've been laughed at before, and it'll happen again. First you need about a 4" body lift - its friggin dangerous and stupid, but its the only way you're going to get the type of tyres you want under it.

You'll also need some way-big arched springs, all the suspension mounting points cut off and lowered further below the chassis, custom high-steer arms, custom drag link, about 12 Rancho 99000 shocks and a shitload of expensive engineering time. The reality is that if you have about $20-30k to spend you might get it to the point where it can be cert'd and you can save up for the bits you'll need to finish it. I shit you not, this will either be expensive and only a little dangerous, or not quite so expensive and deadly. Lifting a 4WD 2" totally changes its handling - lifting it 6" or more needs to be done with extreme care... these are not toys, and they don't drive anything like cars.

Oh, and tyres - you're probably going to want 44" boggers from the US - I think they weigh in at around $1200 per tyre - then you need beadlocked rims so they don't fall off every time you go around a corner fast... then you need to totally rebuild the front axle and gussett and strengthen it... then you'll need Longfield axles in the front to take the abuse - around $1200 there... then the front driveshaft needs to be replaced with something stronger... the list just keeps growing in my mind.

Go find the guy in Tauranga and buy his - or bring your cheque book to my workshop with a list of things you want... should make for an interesting photo article on here

Sorry if this seems more like we're taking the piss than helping - I've pretty much given this to you straight tho - you're in for a very expensive exercise, and you'll be better off pissing your cash against a wall unless you can afford to start and finish it. If you do a half ass job, you're most likely going to kill someone - hopefully yourself and not someone else for their sake. It needs to be done properly and if you have no engineering skills then that means employing someone who does.

Food for thought... how bigs your wallet?

Steve

[De-Ranged]

Your a hard man Steve

But he is right, a bit over the top with cost and goodies but not by much!
Had a mate who tryied this and in the end gave up on it, certification got the better of him $$$$$$ , I gained some of the bits from this and have rebuilt them for one of my projects
If you want a street truck go low its ALOT easyer on the pocket or if your ticking it up gives you more to spend on bling

Cheers Reece

[DJ]

hell I can hardly understand what he said let alone what he wants except fat boy wants to spend lots and lots of money to make a high 4wd thats dangerous to drive that should not be certified for the road is that what he said

[DaveM]

hell I can hardly understand what he said let alone what he wants except fat boy wants to spend lots and lots of money to make a high 4wd thats dangerous to drive that should not be certified for the road is that what he said

Thats pretty much what I thought he has said. Want something more suitable for Iceland than anything for its POSE value

It's people like this that give these anti 4wd idiots something to really complain about.

[pinky]

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[pinky]

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[pinky]

THIS GUY SOUNDS LIKE A POSER....BUT I COULD BE WRONG

[De-Ranged]

I like, I want one

[DJ]

Reese you just stay there a minute I'll be back with my gun .... it won t hurt......... honest

[De-Ranged]

You can put the rifle away, the chances of me building some thing "bling" are pretty slim theres to much grease under my nails for that
And if I did start another project you'd have to stand in line for your chance to shot me my miss's would be at the head of the line followed by my bank manager :headshot:

Cheers Reece

[hiriklux]

hey where's tomsoffroad ?????????????????time to bring out his pimped up ride

[fat-boy]

cheerz supralux for all ur help.
this is a project that will take time and alot of muny i understand i wanted to understand all of wat it would take.
and if the 4wd scene is full of negitive pricks like most that have posted in this section u can go eat a dick.
i camt to this site askin a couple questions and apart from supralux all i got was ##### givin me shit about being a show pony.

y spend a great deal of muny and not being able to show it off ?

my life ive own tricked out extramly fast lowerd/sleak looking cars, i want a change so i thaught 4wd is the way to go.

that truck that de-ranged posted is exaxtly wat im aming for.

[DJ]

fat boy
you are right and I aplogise for any negative remarks that I have made but NOWHERE has ANY one insulted you personally and told you what to eat,what you want in the way of sexual preferences, or sworn at you, there is no need to get that low. As for your requests maybe if they had been written in some form of lanuage that some of us understand instead of trying to sound like the hoods of L.A. then just maybe the answers could have been different. once again you want to build a high riding 4wd I suggest the questions should be answered first by yourself
how much do I have to spend
what do I really want
will it be legal
how do I achive
and if you take this reply as being negative then you really need to lighten up and get some help soon,
cheers DJ
ps if you have seen any of the hoods in the streets of L.A then you would not want to be anything like them dont belive TV or rap crap, its fairy land

[De-Ranged]

I apologize, you might be the exeption to the norm
I had a bit of contact with the local boy racer scene as I used to share a shed with a crowd of them very entertaining!
Out of all the racers who came through only one was capable of following through on anything that required more than a spanner or screwdriver to build... and that was due to his mum paying others to finish what he started! and after her paying enough for a depost on a very nice house he sold it for $4000

Anyway I've been thinking about how to do this (your pimp truck) safely sorry DJ I couldn't help thinking about it
If your talking hilux then this is what I'd do.... find a beam front axle version not the latest ones they have IFS
build or get built lowered hangers for the leaf springs and the shackles I'd go for a 6"lift Next replace the springs with heavy duty load carrying leaf springs or you could add some load leaves to the standard leaf pack, this will stiffen up the ride and cut down on artictulation and body roll but give you a mean lift
next get your shock towers at the front lowered and the rear mounts lowered as well... no point in getting new long travel shocks if they aren't gona be used paint your old ones white an nobody'll know they aren't trick
Your going to have to go X over steering as the standard push pull steering won't cut this short of lift and for the cost of a specail steering arm you can cover doing this
This means two new steering arms built for this or doing the flipped arm (see post on Xover steering) You'll also have to mount a surf powersteering box as well to work the new steering
As for the rest look around for some higher geared diffs this will help offset your bigger wheels and give it a 2" body lift
I wouldn't repower it as this thing will handle like shit due to the high center of gravity and the only reason you won't be doing axles with these big wheels is the motor isn't strong enough, repower and your looking at all the brand name stuff steve was talking about!!

There now ya know... prove me wrong and build it
To all the rest .... DJ put that gun away DJ.... I promise I'll never build one

Cheers Reece

[DaveM]

I make no apologies what so ever.
How can you expect to be taken seriously from your first posts?

Maybe boy racers think they are cool by everything being FU#*EN this and that, but tone ot down a little, and be realistic about what you want to do.
If you want a 8" lifted truck with tyres the size of a small car and need a ladder to get in, then go to Iceland.

Ask serious questions and you MAY get serious answers.

[Heath]

Hey Fat boy.

I havent responded as I felt the relevant points were covered by the others, But...

This forum is a 4WD forum and we use our vehicles off road as well as onroad and therefore have some experience with the handling and stability of lifted vehicles(hence the comments about height) and we are aware of the amount of hard earned cash that is used to just meet the certification standards , not to mention the cost of the parts you will need (hence the comments about what you want to achieve).

I find Your comments to be offensive, if we are to believe that all boy racers arent little spoiled brats then maybe you should do us the same certisy(sp?). There was no need to get all negative and carry on as you did, rember that a written comment doesnt carry across the emotion that it was expressed with (humour, etc) and there fore a little lee-way might have been exercised.

At all times since I joined this forum I have experienced a little ribbing and humour but mainly good advise with a tinge of common sense for some of my less briliant ideas so why would you expect any less.

I hope you are able to build the monster truck of your dreams and it is all you want it to be but dont come here to our forum asking advise and then get all twisted up if someone laughs at what you want to do. Another words get off your high horse (or should that be Hilux) and act like a grown up.

Remember opinions are like arseholes, everyones got one (just some are more full of shit than others). That was humour incase you didnt recognise it.

Heath

[fat-boy]

cheerz to everyone for there apology and yes i do admit from wat i said did sound like i was a poser.

but wat im after something similar to the picture up top.

i dnt know shit about modifyling 4x4's and i sipoze 8" lift kit was a bit drimatic but i am ufter something out of the ordanairy (sp) and stands out and will turn alot of heads.

wat would they have done to acheive up top ?

i.e. wat sort of setup/suspention mods have they done ?

wat is the wheel size ?

also a detailed cost on parts/labour involved with this ?

cheerz
tony

p.s. please no one take anything i say the wrong way.
i am serious about doing this and im not a time waster.
i maybe young but i have the ability to do this.
i dnt know enuff about 4wd's yes ive drivin them but wouldnt kow where to start on raising one. on the other hand give me a 4x4 and ill make the ride hight 40mm off the ground with suspention travel and imporoved handaling ability.

[Heath]

Would think an engine drop and transmission drop would help drive angles and double cardans all round too maybe.

Low low low ratio diffs to turn tose donuts (maybe low ratio T-case too) and some big arse vented disks and calipers all round for stopping (man will those tyres take some stopping).

Heath

[DaveM]

Now everyone is on talking terms again, we might get somewhere

At least if you build a show truck, everyone knows thats what it is, unlike the REAL posers who have 6" lifted Landcruisers, snorkels, winches,hi lift jacks, and never even intend to take them off road!

[DaveM]

This is the type of thing that is available from the States: http://www.4wheelerssupply.com/catalog/ ... f066daf9ab

If you want a 4-5" lift on a Surf, something like this would take a LOT of hassle out of trying to make it up as you go along.

To be honest, I would look for a cheap VX Lancruiser, as the solid front axle would mean its a lot easier to lift (you can buy 6" lift kits off the shelf), then you can put body lift on top of that .You would have more power to turn the wheels, and it would probably handle the extra stress of the big wheels a lot better.
In an ideal world, you would have a Nisaan GU though

[DJ]

big boy

Now everyone is on talking terms again, we might get somewhere

ok fine now I only have to read your posts twice to understand what you said ( humour)
If your 'show pony' is only to be used on the street why bother with 4wd save plenty of time and headaches by using same model but 2 wd and achive the same stance and may be better handling. The main 'look' is the tires and rims check out trade me under Simex Trekkers Have I got a deal for you Perfect for any tuff looking truck. Do you intend to have under floor lighting?
my opinon only so take that
oh and I also have a bling bling? beast turbo'ed 480 ci Trans am that eats rotas and I still speak english, e Bro!! ( more Humour)
Cher DJ

[DJ]

oh yea if you think I have insulted you go and buy a Range Rover and have it equiped with a couple of corgies (dogs) thats when the fun really starts ( more humour)