petrol versus diesel

[mercutio]

i wonder if he will take my g as a trade in
http://www.trademe.co.nz/Trade-Me-Motors/Cars/MercedesBenz/auction-135038431.htm

i also wonder how long i would live before yorick kills me

[yorick]

i wonder if he will take my g as a trade in
http://www.trademe.co.nz/Trade-Me-Motors/Cars/MercedesBenz/auction-135038431.htm

i also wonder how long i would live before yorick kills me

That would be twice! Measure it in seconds

Unless you sell me yours then all would be forgiven!

I went over and saw him and took it for a drive yesterday, Tranny is sweet, motor is a boogie monster, it may be long wheel base but it's got a better lock than the Paj. He has the smaller steel tank in it so it has a really good exit angle but he has one saddle tank as well. It's got the genuine Merc electric winch. Only downside is the stupid great bullbar it has on it.

[Moriarty]

Well, hell!! I obviously voted diesel!!

haviing tweaked the 5 cyl a bit, I am getting about 150 BHP and revs to 4500rpm
No matter what I do, I apart from 4WDing, I cannot force the economy below (forgive an old fart) 25mpg.
DO THE CONVERSION YOURSELVES!!

Towing Wopass's Missile was the most expensive trip I have done, we trailered it to Thompson's and back to Hamilton, and we were both surprised at the power and economy.
For day to day running, NOT trips, like Wangas to NP and back, but all inclusive, I get 10 to 11 Ks per litre.

merc, you have seen it offroad, you KNOW why I still have it!!!

[mercutio]

latest development for this argument just been offered a deregistered 500 se mercedes for a grand it runs but needs a bit of tinkering hmmm

[KiwiBacon]

latest development for this argument just been offered a deregistered 500 se mercedes for a grand it runs but needs a bit of tinkering hmmm

5L V8?

[mercutio]

yeah 5 litre v8 alloy ohc

[yorick]

latest development for this argument just been offered a deregistered 500 se mercedes for a grand it runs but needs a bit of tinkering hmmm

What's the Trans like?

[85BJ73]

Well, I have had a petrol Vitara, it used more petrol in a trip than our 'cruiser uses diesel, but it was faster on road. A mate of mine still runs a petrol Suzuki, and dollar for dollar, we still go further (not including ruc) Our Vitara had to be revved hard to do anything, and if ya got caught coming off a slow part and needed revs, but had too much traction it would bog a little bit, maiking things a little more interesting. But the Vitara did clear it's tyres on Papa, and revs really help there sometimes.
The diesel just works off idle and grunts all the way, but some times more rev's would be nice, the ol 3B only manages around 3000rpm......and that ain't enough to clear the tyres some times.
The costs of a diesel, well my diesel gets oil and filter every 5000km, the RUC has to be counted, and the Rego is dearer for a diesel too. My uncle works for Ravensdown, they did some calculations 3 years ago and found a diesel had to do 135,000km a year to break even with a petrol vehicle......
But, I would not go back to a petrol for off roading, if my 3B crapped itself I would propably look into the new V8 diesel Toyota are putting in the new 'cruisers. The lure of a petrol V8 is there, but the hassles of a petrol, and the fuel consumption puts me off.
I think at the end of the day, it just depends on what you like, it is a personal thing, and not every one will agree.
Just my opinion.....

[mercutio]

i must admit i did some research on the 5 litre v8 last night and discovered they aren't the most powerful but they do last forever this model only puts out 240 hp but with 400Nm of torques but the 3.2 litre petrol 6 cylinder mercede motor puts out 220 hp with 310Nm torques and i think that would be an easier conversion

[KiwiBacon]

My uncle works for Ravensdown, they did some calculations 3 years ago and found a diesel had to do 135,000km a year to break even with a petrol vehicle......

I'd love to know the details of these sort of calculations. The AA has a set of calcs, but haven't gone through the hassle of getting a copy yet.
The fuel cost contribution has increased a lot in the last 3 years.
I just picked up a diesel station wagon, Mazda with a Nissan engine (japanese badge swapping) with 20,000km oil change intervals. Expecting about 16-17km/l
Time to turn the shopping trolley into a manual diesel.

[85BJ73]

I would too, but he was told he gets a diesel ute, where as the next manager down the line got a petrol......
Remember they are on corprate rates for diesel too.

[mercutio]

okay i have made a decision i am going to get the turbo diesel up and running going to attach that to a auto transmission that a mate of mine has spare and swap them into my g wagen am also planning on getting the springs reset 75 mm longer on the back and 50 mm longer on the front should make it about right then i will only need some tyres

[mercutio]

ordered the head gasket and replacement valve and valve guide and a set of valve seals and the funny little capped nut adjuster thing yeah so just got to wait for them to arrive from germany about $300 all up so not too bad

[KiwiBacon]

okay i have made a decision i am going to get the turbo diesel up and running going to attach that to a auto transmission that a mate of mine has spare and swap them into my g wagen am also planning on getting the springs reset 75 mm longer on the back and 50 mm longer on the front should make it about right then i will only need some tyres

Which engine?

[yorick]

okay i have made a decision i am going to get the turbo diesel up and running going to attach that to a auto transmission that a mate of mine has spare and swap them into my g wagen am also planning on getting the springs reset 75 mm longer on the back and 50 mm longer on the front should make it about right then i will only need some tyres

Which engine?

OM617 3 litre 5 cylinder Turbo.... By Mercedes... Of course!

[yorick]

...............then i will only need some tyres

I found wheels as per spec: $160 apiece.

[KiwiBacon]

okay i have made a decision i am going to get the turbo diesel up and running going to attach that to a auto transmission that a mate of mine has spare and swap them into my g wagen am also planning on getting the springs reset 75 mm longer on the back and 50 mm longer on the front should make it about right then i will only need some tyres

Which engine?

OM617 3 litre 5 cylinder Turbo.... By Mercedes... Of course!

Then you'll be wanting to find forums like this one:
http://schumanautomotive.com/forums/for ... y.php?f=19

[yorick]

Then you'll be wanting to find forums like this one:
http://schumanautomotive.com/forums/for ... y.php?f=19

Yep and 3 pointed Star and a raft of others. I think Merc's login on Schuman is KiwiG

Mercedes motors lined up down the side of my workshop at the moment:

• the afore mentioned OM617,
• a 2.3 8 valve with Trans,
• 2.3 - 16 Cosworth tuned version out of the 190E Cosworth,
• a 2.8 6 petrol

and soon to be joined by a 3.5 V8 and if and when finances permit I'll add a 3.2 V6 24 valve which will be getting transplanted into the Paj.

[mercutio]

Then you'll be wanting to find forums like this one:
http://schumanautomotive.com/forums/for ... y.php?f=19

yeah been a member of that one for a while as well as pointed 3 forums the g wagen forum there is the busiest one on the whole site

[KiwiBacon]

Then you'll be wanting to find forums like this one:
http://schumanautomotive.com/forums/for ... y.php?f=19

yeah been a member of that one for a while as well as pointed 3 forums the g wagen forum there is the busiest one on the whole site

Can you give me a link for the pointed forums? I'd like to check it out.
Secretly a Gwagon is the only vehicle I'd even remotely consider as a replacement for my rangie.

[mercutio]

http://www.pointedthree.com/disc/
i have seen a few for sale on trademe down south but i must admit not for a little while
i will admit i used to own a rangie and traded it in on the g

[mercutio]

hmm decision time again
so i am working on the turbo diesel rebuilding it but with the price of diesel versus petrol i am reconsidering my options i still have a access to a 3.5l overhead cam mercedes V8 and it is the right price i.e. free

so what do you guys reckon with current prices of petrol and diesel.
i have been told unless i am doing over 60,000 ks a year in the long run a petrol is cheaper

[KiwiBacon]

hmm decision time again
so i am working on the turbo diesel rebuilding it but with the price of diesel versus petrol i am reconsidering my options i still have a access to a 3.5l overhead cam mercedes V8 and it is the right price i.e. free

so what do you guys reckon with current prices of petrol and diesel.
i have been told unless i am doing over 60,000 ks a year in the long run a petrol is cheaper

In a 4wd, diesel needs to be the same price as petrol before the sums even get close.
The price of diesel relative to petrol has never been higher, the long term stable value is diesel approx 2/3 the price of petrol. So with 91 at 1.80, diesel is roughly 30c/litre higher than it normally is.

I assume that 60,000km/year figure is based on the cost of paying someone else to do a diesel transplant for you. With a diesel 4wd being at least 5c/km cheaper that 60,000km works out at $3000/year savings for a diesel, which would pay for a top dollar transplant in about 3 years.

[mercutio]

so last weekend pulled this out of my mates car



3.5 litre overhead cam V8 with fuel injection hmmm decisions
the engine is out of a 1972 mercedes coupe and the computer is huge



i'm still thinking about it but it is now there ready to go in if i decide too

[turoa]

just put it in the damn hole

[mudzilla]

Go the diesel, For Torque and low down grunt you wont beat it ,Lets be honest the vehicle its going into is not designed as a high speed machine keep the air above water level and far less hassles than petrol..Just my thoughts...

WOT HE SAID

[mercutio]

i have made a decision
the diesel turbo is going in
will see how much off a difference that makes and if it isn't enough i still got the V8

[mercutio]

well this has taken on a whole new meaning since the incident with the oil pump been quoted $800 for the replacement parts to get the turbo diesel up and running.
got quoted $800 for a 3 litre petrol engine yesterday with computer obviously this will require a cert so another $400 on top of that looks like i have to sell some stuff