Inner tubes or not?

[Dace]

I finally gettin my new rims and tyres next week but, do I get the with inner tube or not

the tyres are 33' goodyear mtr on desert rats

Cheers
Dave

[taz01]

yeah dave go with tubes and hose clips on the valves you can let em down more than tubeless for better traction

[Sadam_Husain]

Definately the tubes so you can run the pressures down low without running the risk of popping the beads Dave. See if you can get some heavy duty tubes like the ones 4wdbits sells, Rob over at Naenae tyres have them.

Although my tyres are a little bit bigger than yours I've had endless problems with my tubes being replaced with silly little car type tubes about as thin as condoms and they dont cope with a bit of friction running low pressures and punture easily and frequently (disclaimer: get your mind out of the gutter).

They cost about $40-45 each but longer term well worth the investment

[Dace]

Definately the tubes so you can run the pressures down low without running the risk of popping the beads Dave. See if you can get some heavy duty tubes like the ones 4wdbits sells, Rob over at Naenae tyres have them.

Although my tyres are a little bit bigger than yours I've had endless problems with my tubes being replaced with silly little car type tubes about as thin as condoms and they dont cope with a bit of friction running low pressures and punture easily and frequently (disclaimer: get your mind out of the gutter).

They cost about $40-45 each but longer term well worth the investment

looks like tubes are the way to go, I have considered using heavyduty tractor inner tubes and am pricing the kit with them

I saw your hoseclips on sunday Taz, ingenius, will definately use them

[lneil]

Just add another strong voice for H/duty tubes. When I got the new 31's I had two punctures during the first trip and both were from tiny amounts of crud inside the tyre, which stuffed the piss-ant car tubes. Now run truck tubes and they are so much more solid there is no comparison.

Hadn't thought of the clips on the valve stems, brilliant idea and a job for next week!

[MNC]

I'm running 36x12.5x15 Swampers on 15x10" rims.

Have used tubes as with the wider rims (only 2.5" difference) would have been more likely to pop a bead at low pressures.

Go with the tubes or invest in some beadlocks

[lilpigzuk]

I'm running 36x12.5x15 Swampers on 15x10" rims.

Have used tubes as with the wider rims (only 2.5" difference) would have been more likely to pop a bead at low pressures.

Go with the tubes or invest in some beadlocks

Like GNR, MnfNCm update your thread, you have been married for ages

[MNC]

...Like GNR, MnfNCm update your thread, you have been married for ages

It's coming... Bitch

Just wanting to get brakes sorted and will do an update, actually could be some time yet

[85BJ73]

I don't wanna rock the boat, but a word of caution, some tyres can't run tubes, as the inside of them have ribs cast into them, and they will chafe on the tube and tear it, I learnt this the hard way, four flats on one trip
Also, I was told by the President of the Wanganui 4x4 club, if your tyre is marked "Tubeless" and you fit a tube, and have a failure on the road, insurance companies may not pay out, and if you crash, and someone gets hurt, you may be liable for prosecution.
That said, my last set of tyres I ran tubes, even although they were marked tubeless, and had no issues, but my new tyres (Maxxis Bighorns) I can't, due to the internal ribbing, so I am faced with beadlocking them if I have too many problems.
To that end, can someone reccommend where to get beadlocks fitted to white spoke steel wheels, and a cost? I would like the Staun inflatable ones, but at a grand, my budget does not run to that.
Cheers,
Shane

[85BJ73]

Hey, just as a thought, why has no-one come up with a beadlock like mx/dirt bikes use on their rear wheels? You know the type, ya fit them inside the tyre, the thbe sits as per normal, ya do up the bold, and voila, the tyre is locked on!!

[Beer_Cruiser]

i run tubes in my 35s. got forklift tubes with dump valves from the patch rubber company in petone for $25 each but that was a year or so ago.

[Dace]

Thanks for ya input guys but have decided to go with out tubes

Seems a guys from work knows a guy who knows someone who mows lawns who knows someone who used to 4x2 an old austin A40, and he used to seal the tyre to the bead using a mixture of pinetree sap and goats milk. Apparently works a treat.

Will get hd tubes on monday

[85BJ73]

Hey, if ya gunna go without tubes, why are ya gunna get them Monday

[TJ]

May be to use as floatation devices for deep river crossings!!

But seriously though, if you are using tubes and the tyre comes off the bead and some stuff gets in. Wouldn't that pretty much destroy the tube as well (acting like an abrasive compound)? So whats the real advantage on a tubeless tyre?

[Sadam_Husain]

But seriously though, if you are using tubes and the tyre comes off the bead and some stuff gets in. Wouldn't that pretty much destroy the tube as well (acting like an abrasive compound)?

Yep you need to clean the mud and sticks and crap out of you your beads to remove all the abrasive stuff that ends up puntureing your tubes.

So whats the real advantage on a tubeless tyre?

Its the disadvantage, when they pressures are low and the bead pops all the air comes out and the tyre deflates, when you've got a tube in there and the bead pops the air stays in the tube and the bead reseals again without air loss or deflating the tyre.

[TJ]

Yep you need to clean the mud and sticks and crap out of you your beads to remove all the abrasive stuff that ends up puntureing your tubes.

Yep, understand that part. But that is exactly what needs to be done to my beads on a tubeless tyre! Luckily though, Wrangler are light enough that with zero psi in my BFGs, it looks as though I am about half way down and not completely flat on the ground!

Its the disadvantage, when they pressures are low and the bead pops all the air comes out and the tyre deflates, when you've got a tube in there and the bead pops the air stays in the tube and the bead reseals again without air loss or deflating the tyre.

Understand that too, but once you are out of that particular bog, the inner tube would be rolling along with crap and likely to be punctured very soon after. So where does that leave someone?

I thought about tubes in after a couple of times with slow leaks thanks to dirty beads. But then cleaning the beads is easier and cheaper than replacing damaged tubes.

[Dace]

Hey, if ya gunna go without tubes, why are ya gunna get them Monday

Sorry was kidding when I said was going to not run tubes, am definately gonna run em, seems more pros than cons

Seems a guys from work knows a guy who knows someone who mows lawns who knows someone who used to 4x2 an old austin A40, and he used to seal the tyre to the bead using a mixture of pinetree sap and goats milk. Apparently works a treat.

Did you seriously think this was true

[Sadam_Husain]

Did you seriously think this was true

Well yeah.... when I was an irresponsible youth we used to see how far we could get all those old A60s and stuff over devils gate and around the south coast

[pagar]

I ru tractor tubes with dump valves and the most important think to insure is that the little stickers ar removed from inside the tyre before fitting and that your tyre guy puts a sh1t load of talc powder in them so when you run them low the won't chaffe on the rims and ridges inside the tyre