Mounting a PTO winch 2 a Rangy?

De-Ranged · Post by **De-Ranged** » Sat Apr 24, 2004 10:55 pm

I've been offered a PTO winch off a Cruser, no idea if its standard what brand etc,
I want to know if a PTO winch can be run off a Range Rover and what I'm going to need to get it running

Cheers Reece

lowbox · Post by **lowbox** » Sun Apr 25, 2004 6:36 am

Hmm from what I remember the LT95 doesn't have a PTO output, but some of the rangie winch challenge guys have switched to the LT230 which you can bolt a maxidrive PTO unit to.
http://www.4wdworld.com.au/products/maxidrive/

I have heard of people making adapters to fit the nissan pto winch to the maxi pto but not sure about the cruiser pto winch.

so, I think you would have to change your gearbox and transfer case, buy some maxidrive bits ($$$$) and then build and adapter for the winch = which is probably more hassle than you are looking for.

but it is possible ;-)

Rangerat · Post by **Rangerat** » Sun Apr 25, 2004 9:05 am

everything is possible.
I know when I was looking at winch options I looked at this.
Bodge knows someone who has done it. Over to you Bodge.

Rat

De-Ranged · Post by **De-Ranged** » Sun Apr 25, 2004 9:22 am

Hmmm I might be wrong on this but the transfer case on mine might be a LT230 it looks to be the same as my old Landy (long time ago) .... what do I look for to tell the difference?

Cheers Reece

lowbox · Post by **lowbox** » Sun Apr 25, 2004 12:06 pm

LT95 is a one-piece gearbox and t/case, the LT230 is a separate t/case and has a PTO plate on the back of it.
IN this photo
http://www.4wdworld.com.au/products/max ... icunit.htm
Mal is standing beside a LT230 with a pump bolted onto the PTO unit (the pump is the two stacked cylindrical bit at the top with the orange sticker on)

Rangerat · Post by **Rangerat** » Sun Apr 25, 2004 4:49 pm

5 speeds and autos (early) had the 230.
climb under, look at the back of the t case, R/H rear diff drive shaft (with hand brake), L/H blanking plate for PTO.

Rat

De-Ranged · Post by **De-Ranged** » Tue Apr 27, 2004 9:43 am

Nope she's the wrong type, its a LT95
Had me fooled becouse it also has a PTO cover plate.... spent a bit of time searching for an option for this, there were several winch attatchments made

but

they are rare even in the UK!

Liked the Hydrolic idea, going to do a we bit more research into that :wink:

a cross line relief valve, small hydrolic tank and run the pump on max should see some respectable winch speeds.... something better than 5fpm!

Hmmm just means the De-Ranged Rover looses a bit more of the ole rangie

What do you guys recomend for for replacement I'd prefer a 5 speed :wink:

for all this, its still my work wagon

Cheers Reece

Bodge · Post by **Bodge** » Tue May 04, 2004 12:33 pm

Yep you can get a PTO for a LT95 rare and therefore expensive and impractical.

If you wanted to change gearboxes go for the ZF and Lt230 combo. LT230 is very strong and the Auto is the business off-road. This is also a combination that is frequently used for PTO winch applications which means you aint breaking too much new ground - benefiting from other peoples experience is a good thing. Its a lot to spend just to get a PTO though...

I would stay away from rover 5 speeds which are renowned for probs...

A well set up Hydraulic winch is a good thing but big $$$ you are up against it again with your LT95. Ideally you would want a transfer driven pump and that is likely going to be rare and costly again.

Stay away from the cruiser PTO - seen them go bang on more than one occaision! Better off with a Thomas or even a Nissan PTO which come in two sizes - the bigger is better [obviously]. They are cheap and common.

Jungle · Post by **Jungle** » Tue May 04, 2004 1:37 pm

Please shed some light on the cruiser PTO problem. Two of us have run cruiser PTO on winch comp vehicle. We both have upgrade our shear pins to 6mm cap screws hoping that the wire rope would be the next weak point. Unfortunately the winch head was. We both had the worm gear wind itself right out of the housing. Maybe these PTO's you've seen let go were badly treated. Quite common for cruisers to push oil from transfer case to gearbox thus leaving the PTO dry.

An excellent PTO i reckon. Especially the two direction double flanged model that allows for high speed winching in and out plus the option of also running a rear winch off the same PTO.

Now if you'd bought a toyota to start with you'd quite likely already have the winch and PTO. he he.

Jungle

Jungle · Post by **Jungle** » Tue May 04, 2004 1:43 pm

Two PTO's for 40, 60, and 70# cruisers. Old stlye has quite a square mounting flange. Newer and more common PTO has a more rounded flange.

Both these PTO's work the same way off a square cut gear on the output shaft of the gearbox. If you can get this gear out of the transfer case of the cruiser your half way there.

Your right this sounds like an awful lot of work for a PTO winch.

Jungle

Bodge · Post by **Bodge** » Thu May 06, 2004 12:05 pm

Not a Toyota PTO winch expert by any means.

The two that I saw go were both on 70 series cruisers and they both blew the gears and casing on the winch - metal every where.

PS - ALL winch challenge winches are abused - goes without saying....

Oh yeah - Cruisers are shit :mrgreen:

Jungle · Post by **Jungle** » Thu May 06, 2004 1:45 pm

Bodge you need to think before you write your messages.

Your earlier message said. "Stay away from the cruiser PTO - seen them go bang on more than one occaision!"

Then your later message said."The two that I saw go were both on 70 series cruisers and they both blew the gears and casing on the winch"

Not a mechanic by any means. But i do know the difference between a PTO and a winch.

Jungle

p.s. Cruisers will rule the world.

Bodge · Post by **Bodge** » Fri May 07, 2004 10:06 am

He said in his first post he was offered a "PTO winch" - my apologies for shortening that to PTO I can see how that would challenge the more pedantic reader...

He never did say that he was offered the PTO unit. So I was not referring to the PTO unit itself ever.

Read it big guy - he was looking for PTO units in the UK - home of Rover - to run with his cruiser PTO WINCH.

Thanks for making that point Jungle George - it been a huge relief to clear that up... :mrgreen:

Cruisers are shit [except for Jungle

]

Jungle · Post by **Jungle** » Fri May 07, 2004 10:44 am

To tell you the truth i don't really like the pto for winch challenge stuff anymore. Bloody good for club stuff.
Bought myself the toyota 24v electric instead. Have put that on sponge bob. Would never go back. No more penalties for excessive wheel spin while winching.

Whats your opinion on the toyota electric Bodge.

Jungle

p.s sponge bobs a good cruiser too.

Bodge · Post by **Bodge** » Wed May 12, 2004 8:57 am

Never seen inside one but by all accounts they appear to be built far superior to the Warn that they are based on. They are also rated higher. I have seen them in action often and they rock! I want one.... NO..... TWO!

Do they have a true free spool? I thought they did - unlike the Warn which you still have to pull through the gears... stupid.

The PTO winch we ran on Darren's rangie was excellent - very fast. But like any custom build it had constant teething problems which we never really managed to solve... Just can't afford not to have a reliable winch.

Jungle · Post by **Jungle** » Thu May 13, 2004 8:25 am

Yeah, becoming a hot item. The free spool on the toyota winch impressive. It runs out like its weightless but never seems to over run the rope. Was never able to get my PTO winch to run like that. Forever birds nest.

Also the drum is much larger than the PTO. I've cut a little of the wire off. Must be close to 60 metres on there. Good for those long double pulls.

Are the toyota winches really based on the warn winch? My winch is nearly 20 years old? Hard to believe they are one of the best winches around. Don't tell anyone. Ordered some parts for my winch from toyota last week. X Japan but very impressed you can still maintain them. Although a new clutch pack will set you back $500.

Yikes

Jungle

baxxter1 · Post by **baxxter1** » Sun May 30, 2004 7:11 pm

Is LT95 used in range rover classic between 1970-1983?
Four-speed gearbox with all-time 4wd transfer case equipped with vacuum powered lock?
If really need pto for LT95, i can arrange you some. Here in Finland, every RRC with LT95 has pto...

De-Ranged · Post by **De-Ranged** » Mon May 31, 2004 5:57 am

thanks baxxter1, but after talking too afew people I've decided to go over to a ZF auto and the LT230 transfer box.... gives me more options, including hydrolic, and the auto is sposed to be better on the climbs

Cheers Reece

mann · Post by **mann** » Fri Mar 11, 2005 6:36 pm

Well guys ... i need the PTO unit. baxxter, could you inform me direct via email re. prices <silent_running_v8@yahoo.com> ... i hope its not as expensive as that of what i've searched so far ...

baxxter1 wrote:Is LT95 used in range rover classic between 1970-1983?
Four-speed gearbox with all-time 4wd transfer case equipped with vacuum powered lock?
If really need pto for LT95, i can arrange you some. Here in Finland, every RRC with LT95 has pto...

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