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Yep I've sent my thoughts in....
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Brent, that was a very interesting response.
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well the responce I have had from the nat's is all the same from every one of them, Untie Helens pupets all so not my portfolio. Mr copland sent out exact same email to brents....
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Reply I just recieved.
Dear Heath
Thank you for your email relating to the Walking Access Bill, in particular, the impact of the Bill on unformed legal roads.
I note that you have forwarded your views to a number of MP’s offices. Because this Bill is the responsibility of Hon Damien O’Connor they have referred your concerns to this office.
The Bill does not change the status quo in respect of unformed legal roads, contrary to some uninformed commentary that has been in circulation.
The Bill simply re-enacts the existing provisions of the present New Zealand Walkways Act 1990 with the adaptations necessary for it to be brought within the jurisdiction of the proposed Walking Access Commission. This transfer of responsibility was recommended by the Walking Access Consultation Panel.
Section 6 of the New Zealand Walkways Act 1990 provides that walkways may be established on unformed legal road. This provision was originally enacted in 1977. It is correct that if a walkway is formally gazetted on unformed legal road the restrictions that apply to the use of a walkway apply, including the restriction on the use of vehicles. It is important to note that this applies only to formally gazetted walkways. Most walkways have been established by informal arrangements.
At present the formal establishment of a walkway on unformed legal road requires the consent of the relevant territorial authority, but there is no requirement for public consultation. The Bill contains a new provision in clause 25 requiring public consultation if it is proposed to include unformed legal road in a new formal, gazetted walkway. Thus, the Bill as introduced actually increases the protection of the rights attached to unformed legal roads.
There are few if any formally gazetted walkways that at present traverse unformed legal road, and it is not expected that there will be widespread use of unformed legal road for walkways. Access over an unformed legal road does not require it to be gazetted as walkway.
The use of unformed legal road for walkway would be likely to happen only if it appeared to be appropriate as part of a new formal walkway. Under the Bill there is now provision for public notice of any such proposal and the opportunity for anyone concerned about it to object. It is unlikely that such a proposal would proceed if, for example, persons who could show that the unformed legal road was useful and suitable for recreational vehicle use.
The walkways provisions in the Bill need to be looked at in the wider context of the Bill. The purpose of the Bill is to promote walking access. This includes making better information available to the public about existing walking access opportunities, including the potential use of unformed legal roads. The Bill also provides for the negotiation of new walking access opportunities. One means for doing so is the establishment of new formal walkways, but it is certainly not the only one.
I am aware that this response may not answer all of the concerns you have expressed. I would encourage you to make a submission to the Local Government and Environment Committee, as this is the best way to have your concerns considered. The deadline for submissions is 21 May 2008.
Kind regards
Peter Coburn
Private Secretary
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Office of Hon. Damien O'Connor
Dear Heath
Thank you for your email relating to the Walking Access Bill, in particular, the impact of the Bill on unformed legal roads.
I note that you have forwarded your views to a number of MP’s offices. Because this Bill is the responsibility of Hon Damien O’Connor they have referred your concerns to this office.
The Bill does not change the status quo in respect of unformed legal roads, contrary to some uninformed commentary that has been in circulation.
The Bill simply re-enacts the existing provisions of the present New Zealand Walkways Act 1990 with the adaptations necessary for it to be brought within the jurisdiction of the proposed Walking Access Commission. This transfer of responsibility was recommended by the Walking Access Consultation Panel.
Section 6 of the New Zealand Walkways Act 1990 provides that walkways may be established on unformed legal road. This provision was originally enacted in 1977. It is correct that if a walkway is formally gazetted on unformed legal road the restrictions that apply to the use of a walkway apply, including the restriction on the use of vehicles. It is important to note that this applies only to formally gazetted walkways. Most walkways have been established by informal arrangements.
At present the formal establishment of a walkway on unformed legal road requires the consent of the relevant territorial authority, but there is no requirement for public consultation. The Bill contains a new provision in clause 25 requiring public consultation if it is proposed to include unformed legal road in a new formal, gazetted walkway. Thus, the Bill as introduced actually increases the protection of the rights attached to unformed legal roads.
There are few if any formally gazetted walkways that at present traverse unformed legal road, and it is not expected that there will be widespread use of unformed legal road for walkways. Access over an unformed legal road does not require it to be gazetted as walkway.
The use of unformed legal road for walkway would be likely to happen only if it appeared to be appropriate as part of a new formal walkway. Under the Bill there is now provision for public notice of any such proposal and the opportunity for anyone concerned about it to object. It is unlikely that such a proposal would proceed if, for example, persons who could show that the unformed legal road was useful and suitable for recreational vehicle use.
The walkways provisions in the Bill need to be looked at in the wider context of the Bill. The purpose of the Bill is to promote walking access. This includes making better information available to the public about existing walking access opportunities, including the potential use of unformed legal roads. The Bill also provides for the negotiation of new walking access opportunities. One means for doing so is the establishment of new formal walkways, but it is certainly not the only one.
I am aware that this response may not answer all of the concerns you have expressed. I would encourage you to make a submission to the Local Government and Environment Committee, as this is the best way to have your concerns considered. The deadline for submissions is 21 May 2008.
Kind regards
Peter Coburn
Private Secretary
Rural Affairs/Electorate
Office of Hon. Damien O'Connor
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i seem to be getting the same replies all automated or jst a load of cr4p escuse me but it someone elses prob ..... 
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So it looks like everyone is getting the same reply.
My email asked them to consider some-one like my Nana. At 83 she enjoys fishing with my son and I and a picnic, this new law would potentially take away her access. She did her bit out at Wigram during WW2 while her man was over seas getting shot at.
They gave me the same shit reply and now they have really pissed me off.
Nana can walk places where you can't drive and I'm sure she would have no problems walking up an unformed road, so where is the need for this law change. As a paper road (or unformed road) people can walk up it, ride a horse up it, walk their dogs up it, carry a gun up it on their way shooting, and I can drive up it. Change it to a walk way and it suits a handful of greenies out looking for a tree to hug. NANA WENT TO WAR FOR THE RIGHT TO DRIVE PAST THAT TREE IN HER OLD AGE !!
Its about time politicians were made to do what they were elected to do, represent the people. I'm sick of them thinking their electorate is full of idiots the minute after they are voted in, I dont remember ever voting an mp in for more and more laws and taxes.
Now I'm going to go email a few M...isinformed P...eople
My email asked them to consider some-one like my Nana. At 83 she enjoys fishing with my son and I and a picnic, this new law would potentially take away her access. She did her bit out at Wigram during WW2 while her man was over seas getting shot at.
They gave me the same shit reply and now they have really pissed me off.
Nana can walk places where you can't drive and I'm sure she would have no problems walking up an unformed road, so where is the need for this law change. As a paper road (or unformed road) people can walk up it, ride a horse up it, walk their dogs up it, carry a gun up it on their way shooting, and I can drive up it. Change it to a walk way and it suits a handful of greenies out looking for a tree to hug. NANA WENT TO WAR FOR THE RIGHT TO DRIVE PAST THAT TREE IN HER OLD AGE !!
Its about time politicians were made to do what they were elected to do, represent the people. I'm sick of them thinking their electorate is full of idiots the minute after they are voted in, I dont remember ever voting an mp in for more and more laws and taxes.
Now I'm going to go email a few M...isinformed P...eople
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Thats exactly right.
Our soldiers went to war to protect our freedom. and now the government wants to take our freedom away, this is only the tip of the iceberg. Take for example the new exhaust sound limits coming into effect June 1st. More freedoms gone. Gone are the LSZ, because that involves free will.
Seems like the government want just a bunch of puppets, that do whatever they say to do. they don't want people to be free, they want them all to stay stuck in side, all wear grey, do the same thing and come home and stay home.
I know this is off topic, but this is all sort of related. It is our freedom that is disappearing, whether it be freedom to the outdoors, freedom of self thought, freedom of personality or what ever.
This is simply just another steeping stone (but a big one) for our power hungry government. And this one needs to be sunk as soon as possible.
Our soldiers went to war to protect our freedom. and now the government wants to take our freedom away, this is only the tip of the iceberg. Take for example the new exhaust sound limits coming into effect June 1st. More freedoms gone. Gone are the LSZ, because that involves free will.
Seems like the government want just a bunch of puppets, that do whatever they say to do. they don't want people to be free, they want them all to stay stuck in side, all wear grey, do the same thing and come home and stay home.
I know this is off topic, but this is all sort of related. It is our freedom that is disappearing, whether it be freedom to the outdoors, freedom of self thought, freedom of personality or what ever.
This is simply just another steeping stone (but a big one) for our power hungry government. And this one needs to be sunk as soon as possible.
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I received this reply to my email. From Jonothan Coleman.
Was a couple of weeks ago now though.
Thanks for your email. I will pass your views on. You raise some very good points and should consider making a formal submission on the bill when it comes before select committee.
Was a couple of weeks ago now though.
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Copy and paste from most of them. Shows how much they are really interested in what the people that vote them in have to say. They think your something they just stood in that really stinks, but they'll have more suck than Monica when it comes time for you to vote.
Interested to know if Jonothan Coleman responded in person or if it was a lackie
Interested to know if Jonothan Coleman responded in person or if it was a lackie
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Thanks to those who have posted their replies from various MP’s on this post. Yes the responses are all in a similar vain. The responses that I have had all say basically the same, and all point to the reference to the Walkways Act 1990 with a current provision to actually form a Walkway without any public consultation is the key. (In fact I had missed the point that that provision actually goes back to 1977) any way we have to face the fact that under current law, a public road could be made into a walkway.
So you can argue that this new Bill is better in respect to Unformed Public Roads, as this new Bill does tidy up the point that the change to a public road will require public consultation, and that is a good thing. However the point of our recreational users is that the new law does not go far enough.
The point to consider in this Bill, is why put a walkway on a public road? An unformed public road allows all public use of it be it on foot, horse, vehicle, bike etc.
What the new Bill needs to have in it is that should it be deemed necessary to have a walkway on a public road, (maybe on a case by case basis, for safety reasons there is a need to separate foot traffic from other users), then the Bill can allow a public walkway to be part of a Unformed Road, but that is it, it is only part of a public road. Just like now on a formed road the foot path is actually formed on the road reserve, but it is only a part of that reserve. You cannot drive on the foot path etc, but the footpath co exists with a road, it does not take away the legal status of the road.
One idea that I had passed to me is that a walkway may need to be described as a strip of land no more than 3 metres wide. In that way is can only be used as a walking area, and if it runs on or as part of an unformed road then it can and will only be a part of the road, not take it over entirely.
So I think we are going to have to compromise here to get the Bill Changed. As I said in my earlier post it will go through as it has the numbers, our chance is to try and amend the public road aspect.
Paul
So you can argue that this new Bill is better in respect to Unformed Public Roads, as this new Bill does tidy up the point that the change to a public road will require public consultation, and that is a good thing. However the point of our recreational users is that the new law does not go far enough.
The point to consider in this Bill, is why put a walkway on a public road? An unformed public road allows all public use of it be it on foot, horse, vehicle, bike etc.
What the new Bill needs to have in it is that should it be deemed necessary to have a walkway on a public road, (maybe on a case by case basis, for safety reasons there is a need to separate foot traffic from other users), then the Bill can allow a public walkway to be part of a Unformed Road, but that is it, it is only part of a public road. Just like now on a formed road the foot path is actually formed on the road reserve, but it is only a part of that reserve. You cannot drive on the foot path etc, but the footpath co exists with a road, it does not take away the legal status of the road.
One idea that I had passed to me is that a walkway may need to be described as a strip of land no more than 3 metres wide. In that way is can only be used as a walking area, and if it runs on or as part of an unformed road then it can and will only be a part of the road, not take it over entirely.
So I think we are going to have to compromise here to get the Bill Changed. As I said in my earlier post it will go through as it has the numbers, our chance is to try and amend the public road aspect.
Paul
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I am in the same boat as Motivateds Grandmother, I had my foot crushed by a digger 4 years ago and cannot walk on uneven ground to much before the pain sets in, Before I became a 4WDer I was an avid tramper etc now I drive a 4x4 to see the countryside, I expressed my view that being able to take a puplic road formed or unformed takes away access for people like me, It would mean the several of my fav, fishing spots would posible become unaccessable to me if they were changed (one of them is off a track used more by walkers than anyone else so I can see it getting changed). It would also pave the way for people like doc to get rid of us from and doc lands by pushing for our paperroads through doc lands to be changed to walkways. Half of the respondance I recieved back was bla bla bla not my job from Labour MP's, Yes well and but from the nats, I'm out of the office from the moari party, united futre say yes but with change, and the greens are too busy hugging f'ing trees to have bothered getting back to me at all. I want to go and burn the behive down and stand for presedent, cause I no longer have any faith in the bunch of stupid idiots that are running the show now. they are either full of sh1t or act like two year olds. I was all for Auntie Helen in the early days but cannot help but think she is going through menopause cause the hormones must be making her all facked up. Wheres the Mac Gillacutty serious party when you need them? 
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With the muscle of the offroad community, gun clubs, fishing assoc etc, we must be able to find a party that is prepared to protect our rights and stop making endless laws in order to make the legal illegal.
I would much rather our politicians focus on some of the problems that face society now instead of making new laws, many of which cant be policed, and taking away our rights and a way of life.
Surely a zero tolerance law would be better than wasting their time on this stuff.
Theres a bunch of little snots out there that are getting away with anything and everything cos some wise politician decided it wouldnt be nice to make them pay the price for there own actions. Parents cant even take any action to put their kids back into line, and yet we are seen as bad parents if our children go off track. Bullying at schools should be addressed before this road access law.
Everything is about being nice these days. I say stuff the nice, I have a right to be able to park my car on the road and know it will be there in the morning or after fishing, and in the same condition, but a few walk ways are taking priority.
I would much rather our politicians focus on some of the problems that face society now instead of making new laws, many of which cant be policed, and taking away our rights and a way of life.
Surely a zero tolerance law would be better than wasting their time on this stuff.
Theres a bunch of little snots out there that are getting away with anything and everything cos some wise politician decided it wouldnt be nice to make them pay the price for there own actions. Parents cant even take any action to put their kids back into line, and yet we are seen as bad parents if our children go off track. Bullying at schools should be addressed before this road access law.
Everything is about being nice these days. I say stuff the nice, I have a right to be able to park my car on the road and know it will be there in the morning or after fishing, and in the same condition, but a few walk ways are taking priority.
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i wld like to know if its ok to send this email to polititions ?
a large contingent of 4x4 inthusiasts use a forum which im sending the link to for you to view the written concerns of 4x4ers nz wide we r not all able to walk to far or in some cases at all so we use our rite to 4x4 to see otherwise what we wouldnt be able to and most people let alone polititions wouldnt have a clue as to what treasures we have that if you didnt have a 4x4 or the curiousness that some of us have you wouldnt know of the historical sites (old mines , gold claims ,spacacular scenery , that was even under your own nose virtually in your own back yard .... the reason im so pasionite about this is i have mutiple injuries including spinal and head let alone now a dodgy heart .... this enables me and an amazing number of new zealanders the chance to go to all these places that otherwise would never be seen and forgotten over time
viewtopic.php?f=27&t=11060&st=0&sk=t&sd=a#p120197
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i havt sent it yet
a large contingent of 4x4 inthusiasts use a forum which im sending the link to for you to view the written concerns of 4x4ers nz wide we r not all able to walk to far or in some cases at all so we use our rite to 4x4 to see otherwise what we wouldnt be able to and most people let alone polititions wouldnt have a clue as to what treasures we have that if you didnt have a 4x4 or the curiousness that some of us have you wouldnt know of the historical sites (old mines , gold claims ,spacacular scenery , that was even under your own nose virtually in your own back yard .... the reason im so pasionite about this is i have mutiple injuries including spinal and head let alone now a dodgy heart .... this enables me and an amazing number of new zealanders the chance to go to all these places that otherwise would never be seen and forgotten over time
viewtopic.php?f=27&t=11060&st=0&sk=t&sd=a#p120197
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i havt sent it yet
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Thanks 'Nuts' your sentiments are well expressed. Before and if your note is sent, may I or someone else have a crack at making some spelling corrections etc?
Thanks again
Thanks again
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yeah sure my speling sux im not good at writting 
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hell i would even take some of these so called polititions to some of the places we are trying to keep open to prove my point .... mmybee get them interested in 4x4ing 
hey neva hurts to get a few on board
hey neva hurts to get a few on board
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yeah I think that would be a great Idea, but can we strap them to the bonnet????? Id love to get Untie Helen strapped to the passngers seat while I attempt to drive through Minganui ant 120 to get to the rugby on time Lol 
Id love to get Untie Helen strapped to the passngers seat while I attempt to drive through Minganui ant 120 to get to the rugby on time Lol If you follow me in the bush you must be mad cause I'm plain CRAZY !!!
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pagar wrote:yeah I think that would be a great Idea, but can we strap them to the bonnet?????
as much as that sounds ,,,,,,,,,,
the idea is toi get them on side
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Nuts, your thinking is fine! Here's a version with some minor alterations that might work for you. I personally don't see any reason not to provide the link to this forum as it is available for public viewing anyway... if you know where to look! Mike may have comment?
Just cut and paste for your email if you wish.
A large contingent of 4x4 enthusiasts use a forum which I’ve provided the link to, for you to view the written concerns of 4x4ers NZ wide.
We are not all able to walk very far, or in some cases not at all, so we use our 4x4 to see what we otherwise wouldn’t be able to. Most people, let alone politicians, wouldn’t have a clue as to what treasures we have. If you didn’t have a 4x4 or the curiosity that some of us have, you wouldn’t know of the historical sites (old mines, gold claims, spectacular scenery, etc.) that was even under your own nose and virtually in your own back yard.
The reason I’m so passionate about this, is that I have multiple injuries including spinal and head, let alone now a dodgy heart. A 4x4 enables me and an amazing number of other New Zealanders, the chance to go to all these places, that otherwise would rarely be seen and be forgotten over time.
viewtopic.php?f=27&t=11060&st=0&sk=t&sd=a#p120197
Please use this link to view some of the people’s thoughts and views
Just cut and paste for your email if you wish.
A large contingent of 4x4 enthusiasts use a forum which I’ve provided the link to, for you to view the written concerns of 4x4ers NZ wide.
We are not all able to walk very far, or in some cases not at all, so we use our 4x4 to see what we otherwise wouldn’t be able to. Most people, let alone politicians, wouldn’t have a clue as to what treasures we have. If you didn’t have a 4x4 or the curiosity that some of us have, you wouldn’t know of the historical sites (old mines, gold claims, spectacular scenery, etc.) that was even under your own nose and virtually in your own back yard.
The reason I’m so passionate about this, is that I have multiple injuries including spinal and head, let alone now a dodgy heart. A 4x4 enables me and an amazing number of other New Zealanders, the chance to go to all these places, that otherwise would rarely be seen and be forgotten over time.
viewtopic.php?f=27&t=11060&st=0&sk=t&sd=a#p120197
Please use this link to view some of the people’s thoughts and views
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ooh okay, then a nice drive to the top of the hydro road for a spot of tea then along the ridge to the stair case. Driving that ridge for the first time got me hooked. We could take the top brass from DOC with us so they can see first hand that it is not 4X4 (club) drivers ruining the tracks but bikers and the likses...... any one want to have a go at organising it. I promise I'd be nice (unless one of em pukes in my rig... ) I have to say I am sure that 4wding is the greatest way to see this great country of ours and get rather mad when anyone (yes even other 4wders being stupid) puts my enjoyment of the outdoors at risk. 
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ok this is me final draft lol oh and its sent
Dear Peter & Damien
A large contingent of 4x4 enthusiasts use a forum which I’ve provided the link to, for you to view the written concerns of 4x4ers NZ wide.
We are not all able to walk very far, or in some cases not at all, so we use our 4x4 to see what we otherwise wouldn’t be able to. Most people, let alone politicians, wouldn’t have a clue as to what treasures we have. If you didn’t have a 4x4 or the curiosity that some of us have, you wouldn’t know of the historical sites (old mines, gold claims, spectacular scenery, etc.) that was even under your own nose and virtually in your own back yard.
The reason I’m so passionate about this, is that I have multiple injuries including spinal and head, let alone now a dodgy heart. A 4x4 enables me and an amazing number of other New Zealanders, the chance to go to all these places, that otherwise would rarely be seen and be forgotten over time.
I am a member of land search and rescue also marine search and rescue and allot of the so called trails( paper roads) which are kept clear by 4x4 enthusiasts enable drivable access further into the back country, So in retrospect i feel by shutting out these groups will inhibit the chances of rescuing people on occasions where chopper access would be hindered by bad weather .
please feel free to forward this link and email to other polititions for their chance to see and possibly repy to the coments made
viewtopic.php?f=27&t=11060&st=0&sk=t&sd=a
sincerely Aleck Byers ( nuts )
Dear Peter & Damien
A large contingent of 4x4 enthusiasts use a forum which I’ve provided the link to, for you to view the written concerns of 4x4ers NZ wide.
We are not all able to walk very far, or in some cases not at all, so we use our 4x4 to see what we otherwise wouldn’t be able to. Most people, let alone politicians, wouldn’t have a clue as to what treasures we have. If you didn’t have a 4x4 or the curiosity that some of us have, you wouldn’t know of the historical sites (old mines, gold claims, spectacular scenery, etc.) that was even under your own nose and virtually in your own back yard.
The reason I’m so passionate about this, is that I have multiple injuries including spinal and head, let alone now a dodgy heart. A 4x4 enables me and an amazing number of other New Zealanders, the chance to go to all these places, that otherwise would rarely be seen and be forgotten over time.
I am a member of land search and rescue also marine search and rescue and allot of the so called trails( paper roads) which are kept clear by 4x4 enthusiasts enable drivable access further into the back country, So in retrospect i feel by shutting out these groups will inhibit the chances of rescuing people on occasions where chopper access would be hindered by bad weather .
please feel free to forward this link and email to other polititions for their chance to see and possibly repy to the coments made
viewtopic.php?f=27&t=11060&st=0&sk=t&sd=a
sincerely Aleck Byers ( nuts )
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I too like your e-mail, Nuts. Thanks Peter for your help with spelling & wording it for him.
I am part way through finishing my submission, and I am adding the very point you raised here along with others. A big number of people who recreate in 4WD vehicles do so because they can no longer venture out on foot. In my own Club meeting I look around the room and a lot are in this for that very reason, they can no longer get about like there were once able.
A couple of weekends ago, I took an Auckland based mate of mine over to the Coast for a weekend to my favourite 4WD area, and he was simply blown away. He is now trying to see how many of his mates he can fly down, have me pick them up, and take them into the West Coast bush for the scenery, history and heritage that the West Coast offers. One of my mates for now well over 30 odd years, is a 3rd generation coaster, he has lived in many parts of NZ, and now he lives in Greymouth, has never really had the need for an off road vehicle, I have taken him out and shown him places that even he did not know existed, he is now really into finding out more about his family heritage, more about the historical sites and has really taken up a whole new look at life, Why? Because some one who loves the out-of doors, took him on a visit in a vehicle to go see.
So we are right on the money we need to get these Law makers down and see that the wonderful out-of-doors is not just for the walking people it is for ALL New Zealanders!!!
So everyone get these stories across to MP’s any way you can, these law makers need to know the out-of-doors is for all to see and have equal access to. Visiting by a vehicle is not a bad way of doing it!!
Cheers to all
Paul
I am part way through finishing my submission, and I am adding the very point you raised here along with others. A big number of people who recreate in 4WD vehicles do so because they can no longer venture out on foot. In my own Club meeting I look around the room and a lot are in this for that very reason, they can no longer get about like there were once able.
A couple of weekends ago, I took an Auckland based mate of mine over to the Coast for a weekend to my favourite 4WD area, and he was simply blown away. He is now trying to see how many of his mates he can fly down, have me pick them up, and take them into the West Coast bush for the scenery, history and heritage that the West Coast offers. One of my mates for now well over 30 odd years, is a 3rd generation coaster, he has lived in many parts of NZ, and now he lives in Greymouth, has never really had the need for an off road vehicle, I have taken him out and shown him places that even he did not know existed, he is now really into finding out more about his family heritage, more about the historical sites and has really taken up a whole new look at life, Why? Because some one who loves the out-of doors, took him on a visit in a vehicle to go see.
So we are right on the money we need to get these Law makers down and see that the wonderful out-of-doors is not just for the walking people it is for ALL New Zealanders!!!
So everyone get these stories across to MP’s any way you can, these law makers need to know the out-of-doors is for all to see and have equal access to. Visiting by a vehicle is not a bad way of doing it!!
Cheers to all
Paul
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Re: Walking Access Bill action needed
well i got a reply to my latest email from peter coburn.... his comments were favourable and will be interesting to see if any good comes out of it .... as i have a little trouble believing in what i am told when allot is proven time and time again that most polititians tell allot of .............
his comments were favourable and will be interesting to see if any good comes out of it .... as i have a little trouble believing in what i am told when allot is proven time and time again that most polititians tell allot of ............. people think i have a problem with insanity .... i dont i enjoy every minute ..... 0278900597
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Re: Walking Access Bill action needed
http://www.davidcarter.co.nz/index.php? ... -Bill.html
Despite what David Carter may be saying in his email reply to ORE members the link above gives a better insight to his thinking perhaps!
Despite what David Carter may be saying in his email reply to ORE members the link above gives a better insight to his thinking perhaps!
Re: Walking Access Bill action needed
PeterVahry wrote:http://www.davidcarter.co.nz/index.php?/archives/76-Walking-Access-Bill.html
Despite what David Carter may be saying in his email reply to ORE members the link above gives a better insight to his thinking perhaps!
Being from Christchurch and having watched his commercial dealing with the City Council over an historic building - I very much doubt this Carter comment
I will attempt to see whether I can get some space to be on that committee and offer my considerable knowledge in this area.
Re: Walking Access Bill action needed
It does sound like he is for the current bill and would like all problems to be dealt with in a local area by the locals. So no fixed routine or standard just erroded rights and then nothing. The farmers arent going to want to negotiate with every tom dick and harry over access they will just say no and be done with it. And as for DOC looking after the access problems. That's like getting your dog to look after your lunch for you...pretty foolhardy at best.
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Re: Walking Access Bill action needed
Ha Ha Ha Ha LMFAOHeath wrote: That's like getting your dog to look after your lunch for you...Heath
I would not get my dog to watch a snack let alone my lunch.......If you follow me in the bush you must be mad cause I'm plain CRAZY !!!
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Re: Walking Access Bill action needed
If people are planning to send a letter to the Select Committee you don't have much time left. Submissions close on 21 May and they need to be mailed by post to parliament.
Keep stirring the MPs too, they know its election year.
The NZFWDA comments to the Select Committee can be found as a download within the Walking Access 08 tab on http://www.nzfwda.org.nz
Keep stirring the MPs too, they know its election year.
The NZFWDA comments to the Select Committee can be found as a download within the Walking Access 08 tab on http://www.nzfwda.org.nz
Re: Walking Access Bill action needed
Well I emailed the whole lot of them and only 27 have replied (or rather their assistants have replied). Pretty poor really. I would've at least expected a carbon copy email (most of them were like this) about they have passed my message on but no, not even that. The greens didnt even bother to blow raspberries at me.
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well ive alsohad 2 official leters from national and labour but like some of my email replies labours was a fob off ... nationals went into more detail but still a fob of as far as i can tell
people think i have a problem with insanity .... i dont i enjoy every minute ..... 0278900597