hilux?????

harsa237 · Post by **harsa237** » Mon Jan 23, 2006 2:16 pm

I am currently looking at buying a hilux surf. I have heard that some models might have some problems and was wondering which models these might be????I am looking at the 1988-1993. Does anyone have any preference to diesel or petrol, turbo non-turbo etc. Sorry to be so broad and L-plate ish!!!!!

padero · Post by **padero** » Mon Jan 23, 2006 4:01 pm

im looking for one as well instead of my pajero, i havnt herd anything that bad about them.. i stay away from the 2.4 diesel version as they can be abit sluggish and go for the 2.8 or 3L turbo diesel if any.. but im looking for a v6 petrol version as it is less to run than a diesel these days and you get more power

albundy · Post by **albundy** » Mon Jan 23, 2006 4:23 pm

God, another toymotor to keep company with :lol:

All trucks have their limits in their own way, the trick is to learn what they are and drive/modify accordingly. As for desiel v's petrol, depends on what you want. My thoughts on the two. Unless you change your diff ratios on the petrol, you will always be stop starting because the desiels can go all that slower. You have more power on highway and track, and depending on engine the torque can be pretty close. On our last trip, I had to carry an extra 80l of petrol but the desiels only had to carry half that, some even less. When the petrol and desiel became overheated, I think the petrol handled it better. It ran on 3/4 hot the rest of the trip, no the worse for wear, do that to a desiel. I find petrols easier to work on then a desiel. MThe biggest downfall for my petrol is that once my alternator goes, the EFI sucks the battery power fast, desiels don't have that problem.
Al

Petemcc · Post by **Petemcc** » Mon Jan 23, 2006 7:27 pm

i had a 2.4 turbo diesel 89 surf and now have a 3L V6 4runner (nz new surf) is about $10 to $15 more per tank including road user charges but has twice they power and i couldnt be happier. it doesnt really matter how many ks you have on a vehicle of taht age bt how wel it is looked after. my 4runner had 100 000kms more than surf but is in way better condition. yours is a very common question have a look at previous posts in the toyota section and they will ask all your questions.
Pete

bigandrew · Post by **bigandrew** » Mon Jan 23, 2006 9:25 pm

Yea the 2.4 engines are a little lacking, but then the 2.8, 3L and 3.0, 5L with a turbo or a supercharger (how cool does that sound)go better than a bulldozer.

They are all good engines, i had a bad experince of cracking my head and blowing my turbo within a day of buying it, suspected that it had never been 4WDing before and the exhaust being 2" was to small to withdraw the head from the engine. If you want a surf owners opion : doesnt matter what you get youll have to do something to it, the mater is what.

I strongly warn against the 1kze engines, or more commonly known as the 3 Litre T D, (beware the 2.8TD engine is called a 3L) as they have more hang ups than your sister in law! But the other engines run nicely set up correctly.

I have a 2LT and the only thing i would change is swaping it for a 3L with a turbo. Just have a look before you buy, more than welcome to show you over my Surf and whats wrong with it to look out for it if you go for a Diesel.

Andrew - Go Toyota, God told me it was his Favourite!

MATT4U · Post by **MATT4U** » Mon Jan 23, 2006 10:26 pm

I have the older surf, its an 88, lifted, big wheels, It goes really well off road, the 2.4 is a bit lacking with bigger wheels however the 2nd gen 2.4 like your looking at is ok. in saying that when off road your in 4wd low and big wheels turn well.
There are heaps of parts out there for them and alot of knoledge when it comes to modding them.
Get anything you intend on buying checked out first, dont expect to get it all setup straight away, it takes time.
things like a bigger zaust and goodfilter and snorkel will help the engins life.
What sort of money are you looking at spending, Are you going to finance, do you have much money saved up.

I paid cash for mine so that way if i stuff it i dont owe any money on it.

Matt

Leithfield · Post by **Leithfield** » Mon Jan 23, 2006 10:41 pm

I have owned hardcore Surfs in all genre's ... 2.4TD. 2.8 & 1KZTE. Now I appreciate that BigAndrew has a very real personal cause for prejudice, however, in my own experience, the 1KZTE (3 litre turbo diesel) has proven exceptional. I have a 1994 1KZTE family vehicle which I have owned the last five years, and that same engine was my preferred choice over a V8 Lexus conversion for my offroader. It's bloody tough, with the addition of a snorkel completely waterproofed, makes excellent power/torque, and gives great fuel economy.

Just another opinion to consider.

harsa237 · Post by **harsa237** » Tue Jan 24, 2006 8:21 am

Rad thanks for the advice guys!!

I have spent half my time at work reading all the previous forum topics about the toyotas and appreciate all the advice!!

I look forward to getting my first truck, joining a club and getting fair stuck in!!!!!

wjw · Post by **wjw** » Tue Jan 24, 2006 3:24 pm

bigandrew wrote:I strongly warn against the 1kze engines, or more commonly known as the 3 Litre T D, (beware the 2.8TD engine is called a 3L) as they have more hang ups than your sister in law! But the other engines run nicely set up correctly.

I have a 2LT and the only thing i would change is swaping it for a 3L with a turbo.

The 1KZE is the 3L Turbo Diesel

?!??!?! And thats the motor I would recommend if you can get one.... I may have had trouble with mine.... but given the same choices I'd buy the same again...

Leithfield · Post by **Leithfield** » Tue Jan 24, 2006 4:44 pm

Nyet, the 3L as BigAndrew pointed out is Toyota nomenclature for the 2.8 (designed to confuse the buying public, I'm sure); hence, a 3L with turbo is the 2.8 with a turbo ... and if you can get a 2.8 with low k's, and turbo it properly, it constitutes a great package. Still not as good as the 1KZTE mind

bigandrew · Post by **bigandrew** » Tue Jan 24, 2006 9:34 pm

No i still think you are all wrong - how do you deserve to drive Toyotas!!!

2LT = 2.4 Litre D turbo also available without the turbo (Bored out 2.2 litre which is common is hiaces)

3L = 2.8 Litre D

5L = 3.0 Litre D (Bored out 2.8L)

1-KZE = 3.0 Litre D Turbo + optional intercooler

the 1-KZEis a real good engine and goes wicked, agreed, so does any toyota engine, though i have heard and seen on overseas forums about many other issues surrounding these engines, very tempermental, and more complicated to fix, to many issues at high Km's which is unusual for a diesel and a toyota.

Any ways now that we know what engines we are talking about

Leithfield · Post by **Leithfield** » Wed Jan 25, 2006 7:29 am

In the Land of the Rising Sun, there are several vehicles which use the 1KZ-TE engine: Hilux Surf (2nd & 3rd gens), LC Prado, Hiace van. In Oz, the 4x4 Hilux pickup also uses the 1KZ-TE engine. The 2nd gen Hilux Surf (KZN130G/W) has the non-intercooled version. The LC Prado KZJ78W also has the non-intercooled version. The 3rd gen Hilux Surf (KZN185G/W) has the optional intercooler and is mated to the optional A340F tranny with optional multi-mode 4WD. The LC Prado (KZJ95W) has the intercooled version and is mated to the optional A343F tranny. There are also versions of the KZJ95W that has fulltime 4WD.

This website here has many excellent articles relevant to the Hilux Surf models:
http://www.toyotasurf.asn.au/techsite/downloads.htm

A full workshop manual for the 1KZ-TE is available on-lin here (beware, it is a 14meg download):
http://home.swiftdsl.com.au/~scorp/surf/1KZ-TE.pdf

& here:
http://www.showmesome.info/hilux/info/manuals/1KZ-TE/

eatenfuller · Post by **eatenfuller** » Wed Jan 25, 2006 8:34 am

stay away from the intercooled version :!:

if you want an intercooler go water to air ,simular setup to my cat d6 chargecooler :shock:

air to air is not effecient for 4wding (unless you want to use youre intercooler a pie warmer)

horse power comes at a price and you wont find it on trademe. :evil:

Leithfield · Post by **Leithfield** » Wed Jan 25, 2006 9:27 am

Yep, water to air is the only way to go - Denco Diesel (Aus) make a very nice kit I am eyeing at the moment.

SupraLux · Post by **SupraLux** » Wed Jan 25, 2006 10:02 am

[rant]
A little off topic but the funniest thing I have seen is a MU with big-ass mud tyres and lifted suspension and a FRONT LOW-MOUNTED INTERCOOLER

front mounted mud scoop more like...

Done because he didn't get enough horsepower from the 3.1 engine...

*NEWSFLASH* People, we are driving 4WDs! These are not Audi TTs or Porsche 911s... There are plenty of ponies hidden away for turning tyres in the mud in most diesel engines, learn how to find them... If you want to go fast on the road, buy a car.
[/rant]

Steve

Leithfield · Post by **Leithfield** » Wed Jan 25, 2006 10:29 am

Water to air intercooling does not necessitate a low-mount IC for max efficiency, and it provides power/torque boost from idle; one can never have too many ponies ... or toys :wink:

harsa237 · Post by **harsa237** » Tue Jan 31, 2006 8:18 am

thanks for the input guys!!!

another question, was wondering what the SSR and SSR limited badge on the back of the surfs meant? does that make the vehicle worth more if it is a limited model???

chairs, sam

krawlr · Post by **krawlr** » Tue Jan 31, 2006 9:08 am

Hi Sam

the badges on the rear are just specs,just like any other car etc

the top spec in the surf is the SSR-G,the g means sport,eg these have the nice recaro interior(seats with the mesh headrests).and yes these type usually fetch a bit more in price but are the nicest i think.

the low spec surf is a 4runner,2.8 deisel non turb(3l engine)

they are all good trucks

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