Suzuki Xtreme 4WD Cup 2008

[GQTROL]

Just as an observation....I don't think anyone has had any of those above issues with the likes of 4WDTV when they come over to film winch challenge events / Safari's etc...and they've been coming here since 2005.

[fourdogs]

Just as an observation....I don't think anyone has had any of those above issues with the likes of 4WDTV when they come over to film winch challenge events / Safari's etc...and they've been coming here since 2005.

So very true

[Flash2004]

Just as an observation....I don't think anyone has had any of those above issues with the likes of 4WDTV when they come over to film winch challenge events / Safari's etc...and they've been coming here since 2005.

Its safe to say that TV3 attract a wider and less (4WD) educated viewership than does 4WDTV. I suspect this new format is not preaching (or broadcasting) to the converted, but more about continuing to appeal to and bring in a whole new sector of fans.

It would be fair to guess that your average 4WDTV viewer is familiar with most forms of the sport and knows what he's looking at so sequences can be longer and more technical and he/she likes it like that. Aussies outside of Victoria who watch our winch challenges are probably fascinated by our terrain which is so different from theirs. I like watching Icelanders race over lakes and up cliffs and USA rock crawling because we mostly don't do that here.

As a sponsor, I can see ARB, Simex, Superwinch and others supporting 4WDTV because they are being exposed directly to their target market. I can't see Cowley Hire or other more locally oriented companies who have supported the game for a long time benefitting a great deal from it. For my company it might make sense because we deal in other countries as well and probably would be cheaper, but we only do it (sponsor) for the love of the game and the people in it. Seriously, how many TV3 viewers on a Sunday afternoon are going to come and see me on Monday to buy a $750k mobile crusher? Same goes for my individual competitor sponsorship packages, they are nothing like value for money for either party, because we're yet to sell a crusher from it and it costs a lot more than we contribute to campaign for a year. Should I drop them because the competition committee can't get a professional act together? The chance to be on TV was good for the ego at least.

Would ARB, Simex, Superwinch and others pick up where we locals left off or would they just fork over some cash to 4WDTV?

[Dr_PC]

any tv good tv.
even get the underside of truck signwritten

Told my sponsor if he was prepared to pay for the repairs and the signage underneath I was prepared to show it to the spectators. He did think about it for a while

[Dr_PC]

As a sponsor,Seriously, how many TV3 viewers on a Sunday afternoon are going to come and see me on Monday to buy a $750k mobile crusher?

Not me although I do wear out my jacket with your logo/name on it that I won in a laurie Sanson competition. I also sent an email to Inversure thanking them and the other sponsors for their support of the TV show and series. I believe that I was the first to do that. I will now publcily thank you as well for your support of the series as well. I do find though that a lot of people want sponsorship but have no idea what they are going to give the sponsor in return for his help. The first tjing I do is make sure that at Lunchtime at the national series the vehicle is washed before starting the afternoon stages, and that at the end of every run not just events it gets washed before it goes on the truckfor the ride home. I certainly dont see to many others washing the vehicles but at the Whangarei round my main sponsor was watching and a complete stranger commented to him how clean my vehicle was compare to the others. Nope they didnt know he was the sponsor, but he was pleased about the comment and told the person that I had washed it in the lunch break so the sponsors names would be more easy for the spectators to see.

Sorry about the ramble

Dan Barnett

[Flash2004]

As a sponsor,Seriously, how many TV3 viewers on a Sunday afternoon are going to come and see me on Monday to buy a $750k mobile crusher?

Not me although I do wear out my jacket with your logo/name on it that I won in a laurie Sanson competition. I also sent an email to Inversure thanking them and the other sponsors for their support of the TV show and series. I believe that I was the first to do that. I will now publcily thank you as well for your support of the series as well.
Sorry about the ramble

Dan Barnett

Thanks Dan, I'd forgotten about the jackets and I'm glad you were pleased to win it and still wear it often. We bought 30 of them for the winners each week and for the film crew. You must have done something pretty spectacular to win it and i hope the repairs weren't too expensive!

This season we wanted to get away from the crashes and stunts so had decided to sponsor a segment in each show which would have been a short interview and sort of profile for the drivers. We figured the next step in the growing of the sport was to try and get the drivers and co-drivers known to the public so they were more interested in their results each round and would begin to watch for the technique. Might have been a high aim but we were hoping to get some of the "Greg Murphy" fan thing going and we thought viewers would have ben really interested.

Then, when the poo hit the fan and the personality clashes (between TV people and amateur TV people and organisers) started getting nasty we pulled out. It was very disappointing for us and for me personally to see the sport's public growth and maturing opportunity lost.

We're not sure how or even if we're going to be involved at all in the future. If you think of it this way... if we go with the new format it could be quite popular, the public will love it and it will make some commercial sense. The bulk of the drivers (including at least one we sponsor) give the impression they might not be that thrilled about it - especially if they're not invited - and we're reluctant to alienate or discourage them. I think we'll sit on the fence for a while, but at least in here we have the opportunity to try and work through the issues.

[tpft]

i,ve only caught a glimpse of 4wd tv i think. bald headed aussie guy?
full of product plugs etc and at least i thought was pretty amatuarish.

put it this way, i make a point of watching xtremme and so do lots of non 4wd people i know.
other show least the few times i caught it, looked like a infomercail.

p.s wheres my bloody jacket? and some of thoose dirty dogs be good too

[GQTROL]

Just as an observation....I don't think anyone has had any of those above issues with the likes of 4WDTV when they come over to film winch challenge events / Safari's etc...and they've been coming here since 2005.

Its safe to say that TV3 attract a wider and less (4WD) educated viewership than does 4WDTV. I suspect this new format is not preaching (or broadcasting) to the converted, but more about continuing to appeal to and bring in a whole new sector of fans.

It would be fair to guess that your average 4WDTV viewer is familiar with most forms of the sport and knows what he's looking at so sequences can be longer and more technical and he/she likes it like that. Aussies outside of Victoria who watch our winch challenges are probably fascinated by our terrain which is so different from theirs. I like watching Icelanders race over lakes and up cliffs and USA rock crawling because we mostly don't do that here.

As a sponsor, I can see ARB, Simex, Superwinch and others supporting 4WDTV because they are being exposed directly to their target market. I can't see Cowley Hire or other more locally oriented companies who have supported the game for a long time benefitting a great deal from it. For my company it might make sense because we deal in other countries as well and probably would be cheaper, but we only do it (sponsor) for the love of the game and the people in it. Seriously, how many TV3 viewers on a Sunday afternoon are going to come and see me on Monday to buy a $750k mobile crusher? Same goes for my individual competitor sponsorship packages, they are nothing like value for money for either party, because we're yet to sell a crusher from it and it costs a lot more than we contribute to campaign for a year. Should I drop them because the competition committee can't get a professional act together? The chance to be on TV was good for the ego at least.

Would ARB, Simex, Superwinch and others pick up where we locals left off or would they just fork over some cash to 4WDTV?

Gordon,
You misinterpreted my comment. At no point did I raise the subject of sponsorship coverage.

What I got from the content of this thread (including your own posts) was that there are serious issues surrounding Suzuki Extreme, such as personality conflicts, competitor suspiciousness, poor presenter knowledge, poor understanding of the events and questionable program production.

My comment refered to my belief that none of those issues have occured with the likes of 4WDTV and their coverage of NZ events. If the above issues do exist, then perhaps Suzuki Extreme could take a leaf from 4WDTV's book in the way they conduct themselves....again, its an observation.

[doddzee]

Found this on youtube about it http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eeiq4BuQ ... re=related

[spanky]

i am just glad we get some 4wd stuff on telly , i will watch people roll /crash/burn what ever it saves us from getting more rugby shoved down our throats cauuse its our "national game".more 4x4 less grown men sharing showers and fondling a pigs bladder. i dont care if the footage is bad i would rather watch bad 4x4 stuff on telly than none at all .at the end of the day if the tv crews are not making any money they wont film it we get nothing everyone still moans, bring on ANY 4x4 tv i say.
vaughan

[4x4wntab]

i am just glad we get some 4wd stuff on telly , i will watch people roll /crash/burn what ever it saves us from getting more rugby shoved down our throats cauuse its our "national game".more 4x4 less grown men sharing showers and fondling a pigs bladder. i dont care if the footage is bad i would rather watch bad 4x4 stuff on telly than none at all .at the end of the day if the tv crews are not making any money they wont film it we get nothing everyone still moans, bring on ANY 4x4 tv i say.
vaughan

Good call, any coverage is better than no coverage at all, and who knows if they start making money off it, they may start filming grass root 4x4 like Laurie Sansons, club cups etc. We can live in hope.

[xxxer]

spot on spanky. everyone is so intent on bitching and moaning about how it will 'split' the sport, they are not stopping to appreciate that the sport they compete in is showing on tv3 and sky sport. there is NO other sport where beginners are shown on tv. you have to start at the bottom and work your way up to the elite class that is shown on TV. So I agree - bring on any tv that either promotes the sport or that is just good viewing. I bet all those people out there complaining they missed out on the xtreme series wont get up and turn off the tv when it comes on, they will sit there and enjoy watching!

But come on mate, a good game of rugby is bloody good too!

[Jungle]

I'm pretty sure that I'm just gonna get myself in trouble by joining in, but here goes.

I can't believe the comment that any coverage is good coverage. You let Chase run a trip up through DOC land without the necessary permits or concessions. Invesure turns is into a winch challenge and bangs it on TV.
I thought we were all about conserving our rights to 4WD in these sensitive area's with minimal impact and then this tV coverage goes and screws it all up for us.

Now onto the comment about 4WDTV. This company has staff that own and actually drive 4WD vehicles. Some even compete in 4WD events. This gives you the feeling that the coverage may actually look good. As far as the program itself having advertising content. Well ain't that amazing. I thought that was pretty obvious really. Someone has to pay to produce the program.

And thats about all I have to add for the time being.

Jungle

[moonhopper]

Now onto the comment about 4WDTV. This company has staff that own and actually drive 4WD vehicles. Some even compete in 4WD events. This gives you the feeling that the coverage may actually look good. As far as the program itself having advertising content. Well ain't that amazing. I thought that was pretty obvious really. Someone has to pay to produce the program.

And thats about all I have to add for the time being.

Jungle[/quoute]

I agree I have watched this program quite reguarly and the sponsors do contribute to the show, have you seen the prize packs they give away Would be good to see that kind of investment here in NZ 4wd

[Flash2004]

So what channel is 4WDTV on and when please?

[madaz068]

So what channel is 4WDTV on and when please?

They have sent me some DVD's if you want to look Gordon. Have them in town if you can get to me before 7pm

[Flash2004]

Thanks but no thanks Nick, i'd like to see their TV program to see what its like. All I've heard so far is not good, dead boring, long quiet periods, amateurism, and only slightly better than watching paint dry. I'd like to find out for myself. If its anything like the DVDs coming from that Aussie mag featuring Milo I'd have to agree. cheers,

[xxxer]

to jungle and everyone else, my comment was based on the xtreme series coming up, WHICH IS WHAT THIS THREAD IS. You are all talking mainly about this 4wd channel, so go to another thread or start a new one

[Jungle]

Sorry if my message took things off track.

I assumed that the extreme 4wd cup is all about TV. Put together to fill a gap that invesure needs to fill.

If your happy to see yourself on TV and risk bad press and possible loss of 4WD access then thats up to you.

For anyone using these film companies, just make sure you get a good contract sorted so you can view footage before it goes to air. Its the only way to maintain the quality of these productions.

Jungle

[madaz068]

Thanks but no thanks Nick, i'd like to see their TV program to see what its like. All I've heard so far is not good, dead boring, long quiet periods, amateurism, and only slightly better than watching paint dry. I'd like to find out for myself. If its anything like the DVDs coming from that Aussie mag featuring Milo I'd have to agree. cheers,

Just so you know i have the 4wdTV TV Series on DVD. Its the shows that screen on i think Auckland TV or Southland TV

[4x4wntab]

You let Chase run a trip up through DOC land without the necessary permits or concessions. Invesure turns is into a winch challenge and bangs it on TV.

I don't know who you are refering to who "let" Chase go on Doc land. But is that the film companys fault? and its certainly not the viewers fault so don't see why it should affect our viewing pleasure. So don't shoot the viewer or the messenger. Land access is another issue for another thread, and shouldn,t be a Tv companys concern, The organiser should sign a release to them as it is the organisers responcibility.

[Jungle]

I think you'll be pleasantly surprised Gordon.
When the boys are saying they have DVD's. They mean they have DVD's of the TV series. Its all the same thing.
I think that Simon has put together a great tv series that covers all aspects of 4wheeling in Aussie and some in NZ.

Have you ever seen the Tuff Truck Challenge DVD's. http://www.tufftruck.com.au/
Well guess who puts that one together. Its a hell of a lot better than your TV 3 footage and definitely better than watching paint dry. And I'd know, cause I'm painting my house in the middle of winter.

Jungle

[Flash2004]

I think you'll be pleasantly surprised Gordon.
When the boys are saying they have DVD's. They mean they have DVD's of the TV series. Its all the same thing.
I think that Simon has put together a great tv series that covers all aspects of 4wheeling in Aussie and some in NZ.

Have you ever seen the Tuff Truck Challenge DVD's. http://www.tufftruck.com.au/
Well guess who puts that one together. Its a hell of a lot better than your TV 3 footage and definitely better than watching paint dry. And I'd know, cause I'm painting my house in the middle of winter.

Jungle

Just in case you meant it was mine by your comment "better than your TV 3 footage" I can assure you it is not mine. As for your other suggestion "so you can view footage before it goes to air" - no TV or any other media organisation is going to accept providing coverage under those terms, believe me, I've tried it both here and in Australia, even when I was paying for the production. There's a fair bit of misunderstanding and misconception within our fraternity about the subject of any sort of TV coverage. Its enough to say I agree totally with the comment someone made earlier - its the only sport where beginners can get to be on TV - unless its America's funniest home videos of course.

I've said it time and time again, these programs are not made for the 4x4 fraternity or no one would bother showing them except 4x4 TV channels, they are made for Mum and Dad and the kids at home and they have to appeal to them. They are the ones who will go down to the store tomorrow and buy the advertisers' products and those advertisers will pay the costs of production.

With the exception of the upcoming TV3 Extreme thing, our mainstream trials competitors have told the TV guys to bugger off, they're not interested. The fallout from that decision -if any - has yet to make itself felt.

We're down to host a round this year and the club may feel "what's in it for us?" We had a hell of a sales job on our hands last time to get enough volunteers to prepare and set up the course but Sponsors at least had a hope one of their signs might hit the TV screen and paid for the privilege. We used the cash last time to buy probably the best prizes - for every competitor - anyone has seen yet and I don't mean a liter of Bars bugs each or a prearranged winner of a set of tyres. The Cancer society benefitted from most of the operating surplus of quite a few grand and the club gained significantly as well so the members were happy. We won "rally of the year" We can't promise anything like that this time but stress I am writing as a private individual and not for or on behalf of any club.

There was also talk at the AGM conference that applying for and gaining resource consent covering the event might be mandatory. Where does the cash come from to pay for that?

In my own opinion, as a clubbie, an organiser, an event sponsor and as a TV sponsor, the TV coverage was brilliant. My only reservation is on record at national exec level as the TV3 Extreme series being possibly detrimental to gaining fresh access for normal club activities - since most land owners watching the extreme series seem to have got the impression we're going to do that to their properties. Nothing came of that. cheers

[diffsx2]

but Sponsors at least had a hope one of their signs might hit the TV screen and paid for the privilege

yeah but its not a good look when you go to all the effort to gain those sponsors and then when the footage is shown all their logos and signs are blurred out !! how do you go about getting them to come back next year when they and the event orginisers are treated like that?

[Dr_PC]

[quote="diffsx2yeah but its not a good look when you go to all the effort to gain those sponsors and then when the footage is shown all their logos and signs are blurred out !! how do you go about getting them to come back next year when they and the event orginisers are treated like that?[/quote]

Unless a sponsor has paid to be seen on TV you cant go after sponsorship by telling prospective sponsors that there signage will be seen. TV production companies have had a lot of practise over the years to ensure that other signage gets as little exposure as possible. What I found wass that because of the television coverage it meant ore people through the gates and these people are all prospective customers for the advertising that is around the event
Cheers
Dan

[Flash2004]

An unofficial report:

For anyone interested to know, the first round was held at Dan & John Cowpers' properties in Turakina on Saturday and went off brilliantly well. The TV crews were there of course but did not have any impact on the running of the event - even though it was a "made for TV" event.

Congratulations and thanks should go to Neville Dunton and his club for their organisation of the series and a huge relief I'm sure for them that it went off so well and without a hitch.

Congratulations and thanks should also go to both Dan and John Cowper for the use of their land and the brilliance of the long, complex and extreme hazards set on the day. I'm sure both of them were quite surprised to see every one of their so cleverly planned hazards zeroed by so many of the competitors, I don't think there was even one which someone didn't master.

Phil Bayliss put on one of the best displays of driving many of us had seen in his FJ40 going places which you'd have thought were impossible in one of the old cruisers. Amazing really and as his reward he not only won F class, but also won the BRAND-X $500 spot prize for his outstanding achievement.

First overall went to Philip Walton with Chase Rodda as navigator. This was a huge effort from Philip since he had a horror start while they (read Chase) got used to the locker/fiddle setup on the truck That he could come back and win it from a field of this quality was unexpected and a peformance of true quality from both of them.

He only won it by 10 points from Mike Dodunski with Graeme Goble as navigator in the BRAND-X truck though. Mike rueing getting sprung by the clerk of the course (Dan Cowper) for the 'slightest' of stops in a hazard which cost him 50 points and should have cost him any chance of a podium really - but a solid and consistent performance for the rest of the day, and a few big risks which paid off, got him home in second overall.

Mr. consistency, Warwick Dahlberg, claimed third.

These placings are different than those announced on the night - seems there was an undiscovered glitch in the software which has since been rectified. This is not an official record however, I only know it from being there on the day and getting the newsflash today.

Some big offs on the day - Shane and Reuben Mason had been going brilliantly until they rolled off a particularly steep sidling and over twice to land on their wheels in the creek. The roll was a particularly hard one and the two were severely shaken and took a few minutes to recover. Even though they carried on strongly, the V8 took exception to water in the dizzy and did them no favours in later hazards.

Its going to be on SKY today week and on TV3 at a later date. The info should be on the 4WD extreme web site.

cheers

[4x4wntab]

It was a good day and we were lucky with the weather. Even though I didn't get an invite in my truck, I got a last minute call to co-drive, which was great fun. It was a bit hard starting at the back of the pack all day, but because of the hard technical hazards it was probably easier than starting first all the time like Ron Sturm had to, this probably cost him severly, but all in all a good day thanks to Dan and the other organisers.
Will be interesting seeing on Tv and I hope we get to see a good variaty of the trucks that were there.

[skid]

who the hell is murray dahlberg

I thought warwick dahlberg came first

[doddzee]

These placings are different than those announced on the night - seems there was an undiscovered glitch in the software which has since been rectified. This is not an official record however, I only know it from being there on the day and getting the newsflash today.

thought warwick dahlberg came first

Info i gave ya skid was from the night

[xxxer]

so where the hell are the official results? maybe this new way of scoring is no good?