SYNTHETIC ROPE,WHICH IS BETTER ?

[wopass]

what would be the better of these ropes ?

AMSTEEL BLUE http://www.defender.com/product.jsp?pat ... 5&id=36738

OR DYNEEMA http://friendunion.com/e/productshow.as ... ch%20Ropes

IM GOING TO GET SOME AND DEPENDING ON WHICH IS BETTER WILL DECIDE. THE AMSTEEL IS CHEAPER SO HOPEFULLY ITS BETTER OR THE SAME AS DYNEEMA

thoughts please guys ?

[monstr]

I have used Amsteel blue in a couple of comps and broke it every time, there are a lot of guys using it now ,I think if they were totally honest they are using it because its the cheapest around.I am now using the Dynex Dux with the overbraid and while the inital cost is o lot more in the long run it has worked out cheaper for me as im getting a full years comps plus out of it and i can leave it on the drum as UV doesnt effect it and its stronger ...Steve

[Sadam_Husain]

I've got some dynex dux overbraid on my winch , not so much by choice coz it was a hand-me-down and didnt cost me much, the overbraid protects the rope inside so it can take a bit of rubbing and scuffing on stuff without doing too much harm to the goodies inside. I dunno how old it is but I've had it for about 18 months without any breakages yet?




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[SV1K]

what would be the better of these ropes ?

AMSTEEL BLUE

OR DYNEEMA

IM GOING TO GET SOME AND DEPENDING ON WHICH IS BETTER WILL DECIDE. THE AMSTEEL IS CHEAPER SO HOPEFULLY ITS BETTER OR THE SAME AS DYNEEMA

thoughts please guys ?

I have had both and I have found that the AMSTEEL BLUE is not as strong as the DYNEEMA. Amsteel blue broke more every time I used it. As Sadam and monstr have said though, the Dynex Dux overbraid is a better all rounder cable, yes it costs a bit more but it is worth paying that extra bit to get something that is going to go the distance.

my 10cents worth

[wopass]

what size rope were you guys using and breaking and what sort of vehicles (weight) ? etc ?

[monstr]

For the last 2 years ive been using the 8mm overbraid on a Safari ute comp truck with no problems...Steve

[wopass]

For the last 2 years ive been using the 8mm overbraid on a Safari ute comp truck with no problems...Steve

what dia Amsteel did you try mate ? was it breaking in serious comp winching or just average use ?

[mudhaw]

I think it was the 11mm amsteel we were useing on monstr's truck, seemed ok on a two day comp but day three you keept your fingers crossed. The overbrade is only 7mm under the overbrade not as strong brand new but after a couple of winches the other ropes get mud in them and seems to brake the fibres on the inside as well as the outside.The overbrade does not seem to weekin with use, doesnt fluff up and doesnt need washing.

[SV1K]

what size rope were you guys using and breaking and what sort of vehicles (weight) ? etc ?

I had 8mm Amsteel Blue on a Pajero and it broke under double pull and the hill was not that steep.

I had 8mm Dynemma and used that to pull a Nissan Safari (ex winch comp truck) up the same hill and the sheer pin broke... so I say Dynemma is stronger than Amsteel Blue.

[minefield]

I am using the china's version of amsteel blue, 10mm they call it Dyneema, but they admitted that they make amsteel blue under licence, I loaded it on on one of the steppest tracks I could find "You could hardly stand up" and I was pulling through mud on a single pull on my chinese made 12000lbs winch , no problems AND FOR HALF THE PRICE.

Graham

[MNC]

I think it was the 11mm amsteel we were useing on monstr's truck, seemed ok on a two day comp but day three you keept your fingers crossed. The overbrade is only 7mm under the overbrade not as strong brand new but after a couple of winches the other ropes get mud in them and seems to brake the fibres on the inside as well as the outside.The overbrade does not seem to weekin with use, doesnt fluff up and doesnt need washing.

Could it have been anything to do with UV???? You uys are giving me the shits as I'm sure my winch is loaded with Amsteel blue or is it Samson. Anyone heard of Samson winch rope? Quality???

[monstr]

Samson are the agents for Amsteel blue and no nothing to do with UV as every time it was a brand new rope ..Steve

[MNC]

Samson are the agents for Amsteel blue and no nothing to do with UV as every time it was a brand new rope ..Steve

Oh poo's Bad news for me

[monstr]

Just to put things in perspective Dont get me wrong i am not saying that Amsteel blue is no good Its just that for what im doing and being a lazy bastard who doesnt like taking the rope of and washing it i have found the overbraid suits me better,There are heaps of people out there using it without to many dramas...Steve

[wopass]

Samson are the agents for Amsteel blue and no nothing to do with UV as every time it was a brand new rope ..Steve

Oh poo's Bad news for me

for the occasional winch and if you treat it nice yours will be ok i would guess mate...but if your worried about it give me a call im onto something that you could pin a tail on

[MNC]

for the occasional winch and if you treat it nice yours will be ok i would guess mate...but if your worried about it give me a call im onto something that you could pin a tail on

Would love to upgrade dude but after buying the latest toy I'm rapidly running out of $$$$

[muddy]

I'm watching this thread with interest too. I'll be replacing my steel cable with synthetic soon (before the winch challenge on Queens Birthday weekend) so would be interested in piggy-backing on any "deal" that's going... Looking into the options referred to by "minefield" at the mo.

[timotheus]

Gotta love digging up old threads.

Im looking to enter a local winch challenges in a Safangaris standard JizzBlizz.
Thing is I have to have synthetic rope, no cable.

I cant find much online for sale just whats on 4wdbits.co.nz

One thing that got me was the fact that 3 of the 8mm ropes use the same 'Dyneema SK75 fibres' but have different load capacity's and prices. It interested me that the Amsteel Blue, (which you guys didnt rate) used these fibres too.

Anyone know why one would be any different from the other? Im not rich enough to splash out on the over-braid and wonder what makes it stronger? Is it due to wear from dirt getting between the fibres in the non-over-braid?
I cant imagine it would be that fast in acting.

Anyone have a firm recommendation on a 8mm (6-7000kg) rope?
Im thinking although it appears to be the same, the 8mm Dynamica Winch Rope.

Tim.

[toysuzi]

i got my 9mm Dynex Dux 75 Overbraid from hampidjan here in nelson a hell of a lot cheaper
than what 4wdbits sell it for
only done the one winch comp only problem we had with the Dynex Dux was it did not like to stay on the horns
and came off a couple of times

[wopass]

i got my 9mm Dynex Dux 75 Overbraid from hampidjan here in nelson a hell of a lot cheaper
than what 4wdbits sell it for
only done the one winch comp only problem we had with the Dynex Dux was it did not like to stay on the horns
and came off a couple of times

you got the 9mm (core) for your zook ? i know winch comp guys that use the 7mm on safaris etc and its more than strong enough.

Dynex Dux is the Dux Nuts i got the over braid from them also and rate them as one of the best companys to deal with,from the best prices to the best service pre and post sale.

buy the best, never regret it, pay for a lesser product and have it let you down ? bugger that.

[monaro427]

hey wopass where did you get your dynex dux rope from do they have a website and what sort of price would i be looking at what size are you using, i have a 84 surf that i have a winch going on to

[wopass]

i got the 9mm core 10.8 cover braided rope,the most coolest stuff. you wouldnt need that sized rope tho and the smaller stuff is heaps cheaper, like i said before theres big winch comp trucks running the 7mm core rope and it takes the punishment no worries so it would be more than enough for your lux. it would be about $9.00 per meter i think for the 7mm core rope from Hampidjan down south. do a net search on the name and find a number for Carolyn Collier and tell her i said hi, you might get a discount

[mudhaw]

One big thing to remember is that some low mount winches have the breake inside the drum.
Not a problem if you free spool out or power out short distances, but long distances the drum gets hot enough to melt your rope
Not a good thing at the price, can be an expencive learning curve.

[monstr]

I have been running the 7mm over braid Dynex Dux on my comp truck for the past couple of years ,weve managed to get the best part of 2 years out of the last one ,just retired it to a club rope i might add that this is on a 2 ton plus nissan,..Steve

[albundy]

The trip to ikamatua next month will have some serious winching parts and we will have trucks with both synthetic and wire rope. I will be watching the synthetis rope intensley.
Al

[wjw]

One big thing to remember is that some low mount winches have the breake inside the drum.
Not a problem if you free spool out or power out short distances, but long distances the drum gets hot enough to melt your rope
Not a good thing at the price, can be an expencive learning curve.

According to what I've been reading thats not been a problem for a while. But we'll see as I have synthetic rope on a low mount winch... and it will get some heavy use next month.

[NJV6]

The new superwinch EP9's are fine for synthetic as the brake is not inside the drum like warn's.

[darinz]

Amsteel Blue, Dynex Dux, Dynamica etc etc etc are all made of the same thing and it comes from the same factory. It is called Dyneema SK75! The differences are due to pre stretching. The theory is that once the fibre has been streched it aligns the fibres better and increases the strength and also decreases the stretch.

So buy what ever you think is better because of whatever reason you think BUT they are all basically the same (with a different colouring). Any difference is due to post production stretching etc.
Also the fibre still has 80% strength after 24 months UV exposure. It is used in bullet proof doors in aeroplane coxpits. It was orignally made into rope for the space shuttle space walks.

Dynamica is Dyneema's own brand and is what I use. Amsteel blue is basically the same but the sizes are slightly different.

Cookes sell Dynamica and can arrange the overbraid if you ask.My suggestion is buy the rope you want and get an overbraid put on it. A company in Auckland will over braid anything! 10mm overbraid was about $1.50 per metre.

No those aren't Cookes signs on the side of my truck!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[wjw]

A company in Auckland will over braid anything! 10mm overbraid was about $1.50 per metre.

name?

[monstr]

Dont know if its the same company your talking about Darin,but saw a sample at our club meeting a couple of months ago of a rope that had the over braid fitted in Auck and quite frankly it was rubbish ,the overbraid was far to loose and would just bunch up as it went through the fairlead will find out there name and see if its the same company ,..