I would love to have this truck

[basics]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0tTgtyT8Scs

[sig]

man thats got some boogey for a diesel

[KiwiBacon]

Isuzu make the best engines.

But they need to create a clean diesel class, time penalties for black smoke. Any tosser can wind up the fuel until it smothers half the track. But going fast and staying clean would take the turkeys out really quickly.

[BIGK]

maybe,.but not in a isuzu bud
euro diesels lead the pack without a doubt!

[NJV6]

It takes more than just winding up the boost to handle 70psi I'd suggest.....

[Jezza]

Isuzu make the best engines.

YES!!! A believer, finally!

[Flash2004]

Those Duramax engines can be chipped to 800hp (standard is about 350 I think) with no other mods and the input shaft is OK to that. You can buy chips for them with normal economy settings, towing torque setting and high horsepower madness. They can chip out to as much as 1200hp I've read, with just the upgraded input shaft for the Allison auto transmission. Cold air intakes are optional. As good as the Euros are I don't think they're at that level of performance from a 6.0L diesel yet? What about that Allison trans though?

[KiwiBacon]

maybe,.but not in a isuzu bud
euro diesels lead the pack without a doubt!

Euros in car size diesels certainly. But Isuzu aren't far behind there. That's why they supply diesels to saab, opel, holden, chev as well as helping out Honda and Toyota with their diesels.

VW's 1.9 is one of the most efficient diesels on the planet, at best point it takes 197 grams of diesel to produce a kilowatt hour. BMW, Isuzu, Cummins etc are all around 205 grams.

[basics]

VW's 1.9 is one of the most efficient diesels on the planet.

our work just got 3 new VW (somthings) that do 1100kms to a 50 liter tank and drives like a petrol car up hills

thats farkn good!!

[KiwiBacon]

VW's 1.9 is one of the most efficient diesels on the planet.

our work just got 3 new VW (somthings) that do 1100kms to a 50 liter tank and drives like a petrol car up hills

thats farkn good!!

I'm scheming how to get a skoda octavia scout for a work car. Unfortunately being self-employed all roads lead back to "work harder".
Would do the golf, but need 4wd and some ground clearance.

[basics]

golfs are sexy, my fav little car!

[curly12]

golfs are sexy, my fav little car!

I think I have a friend who would like to meet you

[basics]

golfs are sexy, my fav little car!

I think I have a friend who would like to meet you

are you trying to tell me curly, you dont kinda like this

[KiwiBacon]

golfs are sexy, my fav little car!

I think I have a friend who would like to meet you

Annoying thing is, you can't buy manual ones in NZ. Only the DSG gearbox.

[curly12]

are you trying to tell me curly, you dont kinda like this

Yep

[NJV6]

Annoying thing is, you can't buy manual ones in NZ. Only the DSG gearbox.

Have you driven a DSG one?

[skid]

are you trying to tell me curly, you dont kinda like this

what good is half a car

[KiwiBacon]

Annoying thing is, you can't buy manual ones in NZ. Only the DSG gearbox.

Have you driven a DSG one?

No I haven't, but the manuals are both cheaper and get better fuel economy. That's enough to make the decision for me.

Have you driven a DSG?

[NJV6]

No, but my parents bought a V5 golf about 4 years ago. When the new model with DSG came out Dad took it for a drive and was very impressed. And he has never owned/liked an automatic vehicle and quite possibly won't ever!

He could hapily live with the DSG by the sounds of it.

[Flash2004]

Most people are naturally resistant to change and funnily enough, in my experience anyway, those most supportive of manuals and anti auto transmissions are the least able to swap cogs effectively themselves. Especially young guys and boy racers who are the most likely to burn out clutches and habitually shock drivelines beyond design tolerances during launches and shifts, both up and down.

Anyone opposed to the introduction of the DSG boxes could only quote the complexity and cost of eventual overhaul as a reason to dislike them. Anything which is direct drive and able to provide a slurrrrr free shift in a nanosecond - or at least faster than the best race car drivers must be better than a traditional manual clutch shifter and who could argue otherwise? If anyone's able to claim more DSG fuel usuage, it could only be they were fascinated by how it works and were perhaps playing tunes on it with the engine.

Before anyone questions my qualifications to comment, I've driven a 36 speed manual detroit diesel powered 8 wheeler for fun and could use every gear and splitshift in the 0-100kmh after 10 minutes in the driver's seat. I've also driven a toyota 5 speed with no clutch slave cylinder and no brake fluid or brakes for 150km back to the workshop through the Awakino gorge and over the particularly narrow, steep and windy Mt Messenger. That was in the old days though, before trailers, I wouldn't do it today.

[KiwiBacon]

Most people are naturally resistant to change and funnily enough, in my experience anyway, those most supportive of manuals and anti auto transmissions are the least able to swap cogs effectively themselves. Especially young guys and boy racers who are the most likely to burn out clutches and habitually shock drivelines beyond design tolerances during launches and shifts, both up and down.

Anyone opposed to the introduction of the DSG boxes could only quote the complexity and cost of eventual overhaul as a reason to dislike them. Anything which is direct drive and able to provide a slurrrrr free shift in a nanosecond - or at least faster than the best race car drivers must be better than a traditional manual clutch shifter and who could argue otherwise? If anyone's able to claim more DSG fuel usuage, it could only be they were fascinated by how it works and were perhaps playing tunes on it with the engine.

Before anyone questions my qualifications to comment, I've driven a 36 speed manual detroit diesel powered 8 wheeler for fun and could use every gear and splitshift in the 0-100kmh after 10 minutes in the driver's seat. I've also driven a toyota 5 speed with no clutch slave cylinder and no brake fluid or brakes for 150km back to the workshop through the Awakino gorge and over the particularly narrow, steep and windy Mt Messenger. That was in the old days though, before trailers, I wouldn't do it today.

The fuel consumption figures are VW's own and published on their websites and brochures, done to the prescribed driving cycle.
The cost is the extra you have to pay when you buy the vehicle, the manuals are cheaper (where they are offered).

Saying you need to be a boyracer who can't change gears to dislike an automated gearbox? Sounds a little hollow.

[NJV6]

Before anyone questions my qualifications to comment, I've driven a 36 speed manual detroit diesel powered 8 wheeler for fun and could use every gear and splitshift in the 0-100kmh after 10 minutes in the driver's seat. I've also driven a toyota 5 speed with no clutch slave cylinder and no brake fluid or brakes for 150km back to the workshop through the Awakino gorge and over the particularly narrow, steep and windy Mt Messenger. That was in the old days though, before trailers, I wouldn't do it today.

Most people are naturally resistant to change and funnily enough, in my experience anyway, those most supportive of manuals and anti auto transmissions are the least able to swap cogs effectively themselves.

Sounds a little hollow.

Here Here

[Flash2004]

"Saying you need to be a boyracer who can't change gears to dislike an automated gearbox? Sounds a little hollow."

I didn't say that at all, but I did say "especially young guys and boy racers". Nothing hollow whatsoever in quoting my own experiences. If yours differ, maybe you haven't had the same experiences or exposure where you could gain that experience?

[Flash2004]

Before anyone questions my qualifications to comment, I've driven a 36 speed manual detroit diesel powered 8 wheeler for fun and could use every gear and splitshift in the 0-100kmh after 10 minutes in the driver's seat. I've also driven a toyota 5 speed with no clutch slave cylinder and no brake fluid or brakes for 150km back to the workshop through the Awakino gorge and over the particularly narrow, steep and windy Mt Messenger. That was in the old days though, before trailers, I wouldn't do it today.

Most people are naturally resistant to change and funnily enough, in my experience anyway, those most supportive of manuals and anti auto transmissions are the least able to swap cogs effectively themselves.

Sounds a little hollow.

Here Here

Likewise for you, and for the record, supporting another's statement is usually put as "hear hear" for some reason and not here here. there there... don't get upset.

[KiwiBacon]

"Saying you need to be a boyracer who can't change gears to dislike an automated gearbox? Sounds a little hollow."

I didn't say that at all, but I did say "especially young guys and boy racers". Nothing hollow whatsoever in quoting my own experiences. If yours differ, maybe you haven't had the same experiences or exposure where you could gain that experience?

There's nothing hollow in recounting your own experiences, but their certainly is in bagging others who disagree. Especially when you try to qualify your statements by saying you have more experience than them when you have no idea what experience those who disagree have.

Guess where all the heat from an auto transmission cooler comes from?
It comes from the fuel you put in the tank, that's the amount which an auto gearbox wastes over a manual.

[Flash2004]

Its nice of you to speak in such definite terms Mr. Bacon, especially when I don't. You seem a very sensitive little piggy, but who says I'm bagging you or anyone else? The only bagging I might have done was to young guys and boy racers maybe you're one of those. One the other hand, since you seem to enjoy taking a poke, if the cap fits and it makes you feel better to be persecuted in your own mind, you can wear it while you jump to your conclusions.

Modern automatics have electronically controlled lock up clutches so tend not to generate the sort of heat which used to need an extra oil cooler to control, especially when towing. My transmission has lock up clutches in 2nd, 3rd, 4th and 5th which all but eliminate TC slip in any of those gears and allow me to average 18MPG from a big V8 petrol engine, towing or otherwise, but what's that got to do with whether a DSG is better than a manual?

So a DSG costs more initially, it will probably sell for a lot more when its used as well. So it uses a tiny bit more fuel, probably because VW give it a slightly more lively fuel map to suit the slightly more lively drivers who will buy it. A Hyundai crapper uses bugger all fuel but I suppose a Veyron uses a lot, if the criteria you mention were the only items of importance to whether a car is good or not we'd all be driving Toyotas. Starlets.

[KiwiBacon]

Modern automatics have electronically controlled lock up clutches so tend not to generate the sort of heat which used to need an extra oil cooler to control, especially when towing. My transmission has lock up clutches in 2nd, 3rd, 4th and 5th which all but eliminate TC slip in any of those gears and allow me to average 18MPG from a big V8 petrol engine, towing or otherwise, but what's that got to do with whether a DSG is better than a manual?

I have two lights and a switch wired into my shopping baskets automatic. The first light (green) tells me when the computer has the lockup switch on, the second light (red) tells me when I've locked up the clutch with the switch.
The first thing you notice is how little the computer locks it up. Only with less than half throttle and only above a certain road speed.
The second thing you notice is how useless four gears are when you lockout the torque converter. Without the torque multiplication to span the gap between the gears, it's awful.
The third thing you notice, that with the clutch manually locked you can drive up a hill and not have a gearbox hot enough to smell from outside the car. The computer control isn't aggressive enough for that.
Did you see the australian 4wd action test of a jeep and disco in the outback? The jeeps transmission overheated and shutdown. Manuals don't do that.

All modern autos have oil coolers, even the tiniest japanese shopping baskets. Most plumb into the vehicles radiator.

The fuel consumption penalty is not a livlier fuel map, as I've said the fuel consumption tests are rigidly prescribed, acellerations, decellerations and speeds are all controlled exactly. The differences in fuel consumption come right down to differences in engine and driveline efficiency and autos always lose.

Why? Simple, it's heavier, has more moving parts and faster moving parts. All mean it's less efficient.

If you like driving more american feeling cars (big, smooth, minimal driver intervention) that's fine. I prefer the european feeling cars which are more nimble, lively and thrive on driver input. I was talking about what [b]I[/b} would/wouldn't buy in a new car, not you. I don't spend more money to get what other people want.

[rangimotors]

Its nice of you to speak in such definite terms Mr. Bacon, especially when I don't. You seem a very sensitive little piggy, but who says I'm bagging you or anyone else? The only bagging I might have done was to young guys and boy racers maybe you're one of those. One the other hand, since you seem to enjoy taking a poke, if the cap fits and it makes you feel better to be persecuted in your own mind, you can wear it while you jump to your conclusions.

Modern automatics have electronically controlled lock up clutches so tend not to generate the sort of heat which used to need an extra oil cooler to control, especially when towing. My transmission has lock up clutches in 2nd, 3rd, 4th and 5th which all but eliminate TC slip in any of those gears and allow me to average 18MPG from a big V8 petrol engine, towing or otherwise, but what's that got to do with whether a DSG is better than a manual?

So a DSG costs more initially, it will probably sell for a lot more when its used as well. So it uses a tiny bit more fuel, probably because VW give it a slightly more lively fuel map to suit the slightly more lively drivers who will buy it. A Hyundai crapper uses bugger all fuel but I suppose a Veyron uses a lot, if the criteria you mention were the only items of importance to whether a car is good or not we'd all be driving Toyotas. Starlets.

perhaps you should give up bagging altogether. Im fucken sick of getting grief from everyone because i am a young guy with a nice car. yes my car (rx7) is manual and no way would i have an auto in it. I no longer drive my car (except trips away and track use) because im sick of not being able to drive to the shops without being pulled up of looked down on by some OLD FART.
Would i have an auto, yes and i currently own one (08 mazda 6) but if your trying to tell me the reason i dont like auto's in a sporty or performance car is because i can't drive then you need to pull your head in.

rant over.

[Flash2004]

Its nice of you to speak in such definite terms Mr. Bacon, especially when I don't. You seem a very sensitive little piggy, but who says I'm bagging you or anyone else? The only bagging I might have done was to young guys and boy racers maybe you're one of those. One the other hand, since you seem to enjoy taking a poke, if the cap fits and it makes you feel better to be persecuted in your own mind, you can wear it while you jump to your conclusions.

Modern automatics have electronically controlled lock up clutches so tend not to generate the sort of heat which used to need an extra oil cooler to control, especially when towing. My transmission has lock up clutches in 2nd, 3rd, 4th and 5th which all but eliminate TC slip in any of those gears and allow me to average 18MPG from a big V8 petrol engine, towing or otherwise, but what's that got to do with whether a DSG is better than a manual?

So a DSG costs more initially, it will probably sell for a lot more when its used as well. So it uses a tiny bit more fuel, probably because VW give it a slightly more lively fuel map to suit the slightly more lively drivers who will buy it. A Hyundai crapper uses bugger all fuel but I suppose a Veyron uses a lot, if the criteria you mention were the only items of importance to whether a car is good or not we'd all be driving Toyotas. Starlets.

perhaps you should give up bagging altogether. Im fucken sick of getting grief from everyone because i am a young guy with a nice car. yes my car (rx7) is manual and no way would i have an auto in it. I no longer drive my car (except trips away and track use) because im sick of not being able to drive to the shops without being pulled up of looked down on by some OLD FART.
Would i have an auto, yes and i currently own one (08 mazda 6) but if your trying to tell me the reason i dont like auto's in a sporty or performance car is because i can't drive then you need to pull your head in.

rant over.

And I hope you feel better for it. I've been a boy racer all my life and everyone who knows me knows that. I'm now 52 years old and I'm still a boy racer, I still like dropping huge wheelies and I get a huge kick out of overpowering the stability control on the 300C and getting it to hang out sideways. Sorry about that. I like setting off car alarms with my big block exhaust thump ij the main street. Sorry about that too. I also do 4x4 so I can do more of that in the right places which won't get my wheels impounded. Sorry about that too too. If you feel bagged at my comments, then at least cut holes in the bag so you can see where you're going and what you're reading?

[dazza85]

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