Auto lockers

JJ · Post by JJ » Thu Feb 23, 2006 7:47 pm

Leithfield wrote:Too expensive - also no mention of whether the rear LR has been certified; if it hasn't, and its picked up at WOF, you're up for a $350 cert fee ... and, until it is certified Insurance companies have an out.

Never heard of cert being needed for a locker. If it was the case there are hundreds of trucks running around out there illegally.

Post by **mike** » Thu Feb 23, 2006 7:52 pm

This is the first I have heard of it also. I've always gone on the assumption that a fully locked diff is ilegal and an lsd or auto locker was fine.

Mike

SupraSurf · Post by **SupraSurf** » Thu Feb 23, 2006 9:14 pm

You won't get cert with a lockrite in the rear..

Leithfield · Post by **Leithfield** » Thu Feb 23, 2006 9:30 pm

JJ wrote:
Leithfield wrote:Too expensive - also no mention of whether the rear LR has been certified; if it hasn't, and its picked up at WOF, you're up for a $350 cert fee ... and, until it is certified Insurance companies have an out.

Never heard of cert being needed for a locker. If it was the case there are hundreds of trucks running around out there illegally.

Thats right JJ (check with your local low volume certifier - don't kill the messenger !!!). Courtesy of yet another recent LTSA brain-fart. While limited slip diff & ARB type lockers get the LTSA seal of approval, auto rear lockers (detroit, lockrite, etc) have been deemed too unsafe in the hands of kiwis for road legal motor vehicles (they may cause you to swerve out of control and cause irreparable damage to a speed camera :shock:

). And, if Supra surf is correct, it would appear that there is not even the option of certification for auto lockers in the rear

lilpigzuk · Post by **lilpigzuk** » Thu Feb 23, 2006 9:32 pm

Hmm, I have mr cert man coming round monday week to tell me if my basic mods (planned) are silly or not too my next Zuk

Post by **mike** » Thu Feb 23, 2006 10:05 pm

Dam, ok now to find out where people with lockrites in go and get their warrants. There are heaps of trucks out there with them in and I need a warrent. Hey krawlr you have one and that place in petone is ok with yours?

As soon as they jack the wheel to check the bearing they will know :evil:

Mike

Post by **mike** » Thu Feb 23, 2006 10:26 pm

Ok split the topic as I have a feeling its going to get a bit of debate.

Was going through the warrent specs and the only thing I could find is this

Table 10-2-1. Modifications that do not require LVV certification
Fitting of or modification to | LVV certification is not required provided that:
--------------------------------|------------------------------------------------------
Differential ratio changes | only the differential centre or gear-set is .....................................................|..changed, and
.....................................................| the OE axle housing is retained.

Axle housing replacement. the axle housing fits the vehicle without adaptation, and
no change to the OE suspension geometry occurs, and
no changes are made to the OE brake system.

Mike

krawlr · Post by **krawlr** » Fri Feb 24, 2006 6:29 am

im certed with a lockrite rear..........

krawlr · Post by **krawlr** » Fri Feb 24, 2006 6:37 am

we used to fit detroits to the rear of certain nz van lines trucks for traction aiding for when they were moving houses on tight hilly uneven sections.........

these trucks ran through cof no prob ,they warrant guy used to hear the thing clicking and clunking on the break rollers and used to say to me..........the ole detriot aye son a wonderfull creation they are(those were his exact words)

my 2c experience.

hosehustler · Post by **hosehustler** » Fri Feb 24, 2006 7:03 am

When I had my truck certed is was fitted with the lockers :?:

When I take it for a warrant I have had no problems, its never even been mentioned

SupraSurf · Post by **SupraSurf** » Fri Feb 24, 2006 8:12 am

hosehustler wrote:When I had my truck certed is was fitted with the lockers
When I take it for a warrant I have had no problems, its never even been mentioned

The issue there is do they know you have a locker fitted.

Two years ago we put a Lux thru cert with 2X lockrites and the rear had to be removed. Passed with the front only after argument about being able to disconnect using manual hubs. Concern was that if you forgot to disconnect 4wd and hubs road handling was dangerous.

The problem with the rear was example of selling truck to inexperienced driver who tows heavy trailer in the wet...

The certifier did not want to certifiy a rear locker for the current experienced driver, his name is attached to the vehicle so if sold and an accident happens ... lockrite could be blamed..... certifier questioned....

Leithfield · Post by **Leithfield** » Fri Feb 24, 2006 8:17 am

Followed this up further by personally telephoning three LVC's this morning (Chch, Wltn, Auckland) ... very interesting :roll:

!

In no particular order:
- one advised that those type of lockers are illegal in all but offroad-only vehicles, "which I know places a lot of you 4wd boys in a potentially tricky situation with the insurance companies".
- another advised that auto-lockers do require certification, and can be certified.
- another advised "it depends on whether you accept that those lockers are permanently locked or not ..., I dont have a problem with them".

Moral of the story - shop around for satisfaction

krawlr · Post by **krawlr** » Fri Feb 24, 2006 8:37 am

well said leithfeild...............

its not always whats in the book ,i think alot of it comes down to wether the inspector got a jump the night before :lol:

DieselBoy · Post by **DieselBoy** » Fri Feb 24, 2006 8:56 am

SupraSurf wrote:
Two years ago we put a Lux thru cert with 2X lockrites and the rear had to be removed. Passed with the front only after argument about being able to disconnect using manual hubs. Concern was that if you forgot to disconnect 4wd and hubs road handling was dangerous.

Call me stupid, but the same could apply if your "forgot" to switch your rear ARB off on the road........... :roll:

The day they make an idiot proof vehicle that iliminates human error in every instance is the day they could legitimatly use that one as a reason for no cert.

So what happens if you " forget" to look at an intersection??

Apples with oranges, but the same principle still applies. If you remember to look or dissconnect your hubs as you know you should, then there is no danger :lol:

worthog · Post by **worthog** » Fri Feb 24, 2006 11:36 am

Mike if you are concerned about getting a warrant in Wellington area, then go and visit Grant Guy for your warrants. I get mine done there and he is reasonable and of course he is into 4wd himself. A lot of trucks are worked on at his workshop

my 2 cents worth

Rangielux · Post by **Rangielux** » Fri Feb 24, 2006 12:02 pm

Try Ken McAdam if you're really keen to know. He's the NZFWDA LVVTA
delegate fella (the guy that argues the point on behalf of 4wders when the law says you cant have that on your truck). He's pretty clued up and should give you a straight answer. 04 237 7878hm 04 570 6039wk.

Post by **mike** » Fri Feb 24, 2006 12:23 pm

Yeah Ive been in their twice for a couple of minor things and they were very very helpful. I didnt actually realise they do warrents. I will actually go there to get my truck fixed anyway but now I'll take it in for a warrent there as well :wink:

Mike

krawlr · Post by **krawlr** » Fri Feb 24, 2006 1:19 pm

what needs to be fixed mike :?:

Post by **mike** » Fri Feb 24, 2006 1:23 pm

oh nothing at the moment, just when there is something that I cant be bothered fixing I will go there.

mike

JJ · Post by JJ » Fri Feb 24, 2006 5:02 pm

Boy I openned a can of worms here. My opinion is if a warrant person says that a Lockrite is illegal because they are to dangerous in the wet then an LSD should also be banned as well because they can be lethal in the wet as well.

SupraLux · Post by **SupraLux** » Fri Feb 24, 2006 9:11 pm

Which means that half the rice-rocket powered boy-racer cars will need to be banned, as will V6 and V8 motors... as will... god, PC gone mad.

As SupraSurf said, the issue is wether or not the WOF guy knows its there... they only drive the trucks in a straight line in testing stations, so how would they ever know?

Which takes you to the next thought, will you get insurance if you have an accident? I have it on good authority that an insurance company can not 'opt out' of paying out just because of something like that... they have to prove that the specific item they ar etrying to use to back out on actually caused the accident in the first place... which of course if you swerve off the road in the wet while towing a heavy trailer they will have reasonable grounds to argue.

So the answer? Ask the certifier you are going to use first if he'll sign off on it... point out the truck is a waaaay lifted 4WD not for towing anyway... take off the towing hitch and put a warning sticker on the dash/chassis? There must be several ways to skin this cat...

Mine will be front locked and rear tight LSD'd so I'm not going to face it, but I WILL ask and let you know.

Steve

nzlux · Post by **nzlux** » Mon Jul 28, 2014 7:17 pm

Old topic I know but has anyone had any further issues with auto lockers and WOF / insurance?

My hilux is standard (apart from bolt on rock sliders and auto lockers front and rear), so not certed. It has now passed WOF at both a local garage and testing station, both were advised of the auto locker in the rear.

The testing station did mention they were getting weird results on the brake tester, so did it three times, on the third time no problem.
I mentioned the auto locker and the wof guy (who owns the testing station) said you should have told me, he then mentioned it to the guy in the pit, neither had an issue with me getting my WOF.

My lockers are also noted on my insurance policy with FMG, no mention of them being an issue.

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