Lift option LWB GQ to fit 33s

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Lift option LWB GQ to fit 33s

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Hi.2" body lift and a 3"suspension lift sound ok.Was thinking maybe the springs would settle/sag a bit after awhile.So would end up with a 2"x2" lift.Still be enough room to fit 33s on 15" rims?
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2" lift will fit 33's, 2+3 will fit 35's.
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That`s great Dave.Any tips on kits for the planned lift?Was lookig at adding accessories in the future.Winch,bull bars etc.Springs I guess are my issue.Medium or heavy?Plan to purchase thru the dealers that support this site.
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The 3" lifts are supose to be 3" after they have settled so they will sit a little higher without accesories and when they are first put in.

With that lift & body lift you should beable to run 35 without any trouble if you speced the radius arms foward. 33's will fit easily
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Would getting the lift blocks and springs fitted 1st be the go?Then measurse on a ramp the lift/articultion for the shocks.Research tells me some of the kits do not always match up.End up having to exchange shocks for longer/shorter ones etc.
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Research tells me some of the kits do not always match up.End up having to exchange shocks for longer/shorter ones etc.


I run 3" dobinson coils, and procomp shocks.
The shocks are the same length that OME run in their 4" lift kits.Rear left coil can drop out at full travel, but nothing a bit of lacing wire doesn't solve.

I ran tough dog coils/shocks for a couple of months but found them too stiff, but the dobinsons are great.
There are a lot of different factors when deciding on coils, such as the bullbar you will add, load carrying, towing, onroad/offroad driving/handling. At the end of the day, explain to the dealer exactly what type of driving you expect to do, whether you would sacrifice on road handling for off road capabilities or vice versa. Remember there are liniar and progressive coils too.
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Find out the "free" length of the spring and do some measuring, If you know how far apart your spring mounts will be at full articulation without the spring falling out you should beable to work out how what the maximun extended and compressed lengths for your shocks will need to be.
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I have just brought the 4" EFS springs from 4wdbits.co.nz,they arrived today only fitted the front at this stage.
No shocks yate,well measure once springs setall down.
I dont tow or carry heavy loads,I wanted a softish spring but with good lift which was harder to find than I throught.
Cant comment on there performance yate,well keep you up dated

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hi there i have a set of 50mm lift springs for sale and a set of 30mm lift springs for sale, they are both ironman brand. looking for $400 a set of 4 . atre practically new travelled 3000kms. phone kingsley 027 292 1248 if you are keen.
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Dave M .Whom are the NZ Dobinson agents?
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Not sure who the distributors are, I got mine from GT Performance here in Blenheim, the owner of which uses Trade Me, so you could contact him via there if you like (I paid $200pr)http://www.trademe.co.nz/structure/show_member_listings.asp?member=190132

Or PM GQTROL. He uses dobinsons in his comp GQ, and has had his specifically made to suit his wagon.
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Hi Dave M.Autoalign are the agents for Dobinson springs.Web search shows about 3 shops in both islands.1 close to me.Will pop up and have a chat to them regards my driving requirements.Does raising via a body lift cause any other types of stress on the body?Cracking ,that sort of thing.I read that the chassis and engine mounts may need to be replaced at the same time.Does this sound correct,as in your case?
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Although I haven't done a body lift, I am considering it.
There seem to be conflicting stories on whether or not you can cause damage to the body when doing this.

I know of a few people that have had cracks around the body after lifting, while others are fine. Perhaps making the diameter of the lift blocks bigger so there is more surface area on the body may help? (not really sure if it is possible).
What do you mean by the chassis mounts? Would pay to check engine mounts, I know a lot of guys that have broken them, mine are still ok because I drive like a nana :lol:
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Hi Dave M.Body lift kits.Those ozzie ones sound a bit steep $ wise.Better for me to source them in a local(AKL) shop I think.Get them to manufacture them for me.Steel,Alloy,NYLON with crush tubes should be no sweat for the boys up this way.There is really alot of very clever engineers in NZ.I tend to agree with your comments re the cracking issue.Round body blocks,could be replaced with rectanglur blocks to increase the surface area,weight spread wise.Aren`t the chassis mounts south side of the T/X case?Remembering I`m a novice in this area.Reading manuals,web searching,is my limit at the moment.That`s why this forum is so invaluable to me.
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I also have very limited knowledge, and the small amount I do know is also fom manuals and sites like this, just hadn't heard of chassis mounts before.

So you have big plans for the wagon?


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hi there have just fitted 50mm lifting blocks under my chassis and found a noticable difference in handling, it also has very soft 75mm lift springs and adjustable tuff dog shocks.. i have the shocks set on hard for highway driving and it catches the wind a bit, you have to drive it all the time whereas before the body lift went in it wasnt to bad. at least the 35" simexes dont rub now. it would be better without the body lift by chopping the shit out of the guards and narrowing the offset of the rims. thats my 2 cents worth but its not expensive to do..
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welcome to the world of drivn wandering 4wds :lol: :lol: they are never the same once you start playing with height and big wheels.....,and wait till ya get rim locks :oops: then the fun beggins

you thinks thats bad try drivn a western star all fkn day now that wanders and dordils all over the road like youre nana with alsymis :P ,but real horse power and thats what its comes down too :shock: oh and dont get me started on the clutch :shock:



dont take effence about the nana part mate :P just an example
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I have heard of the front 2 body mounts on the chassis cracking but only on trucks that are given a real hard time it isnt nothing that cant be fixed if you are handy with a mig.

When i did my body lift i wend and got a 300mm long by 80mm diameter peice of nylon cut it into 6 40mm lengths with a drop saw (only needed 6 as it is now a ute) and put a 12mm hole in the middle. Including bolts it only cost $85.

There are 2 trucks in my club that did the same thing 3 years ago and havent had any trouble with it.

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Hi fella`s,been away for the w/end.Some good replies have been posted in that time.That looks like a good lift option doddzee.Some of those ozzie safari lift kits are over $400.Wonder if getting crush tubes pressed into the nylon blocks would be of any help?Looks like this maybe the track I might follow.Need to try and locate someone that sells the nylon up Akld way.
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At the mo I`m running new rubber Firestone RMT 3110.5R15`s.Was wondering if just going with the 2" body lift for now,would be OK?Look abit naff with that rubber?Could I run with the current OME springs and shocks?Or,will the geometry be thown out with this option?Will add to the setup as funds permit.That`s the down side of being a responsible Dad.Family and morgage are top of the list.Like almost everyone else on this board I guess.
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There is not any reason why you could not just do the bodylift, no geometry will cahnge as you are not changing any suspension components you are simply lifting the body. Go for it
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Just remember you might fail a WOF for putting a body lift in... they are a certification issue...

50mm suspension lift, legal... 50mm body lift, not... Reason: apparently the body lift changes the C of G! well well, thats clever... go figure :roll: God bless the LTSA... :evil:

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Who can confirm the rules/regs on body lifts? I have never done one because of the cert. but there are guys in Welly running body lifts with no cert , and still getting wof's no problem.
These guys were told by the local certifier that it was legal (30mm lift) :?
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What`s a cert worth these dayz?Can get a good deal on 5150 cross flow Bilstein shocks.Sound over the top.Are these shocks as good as the publicity says.Never heard of them till a few days ago.
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Last time I checked, the local certifier charged around $380, so your better to get all the mods you want done to the truck that you can before you go in.
Bilstein shocks are supposed to be bloody good, but I'm not familiar with their models. Are they rebuildable, adjustable? What sort of price range are they?
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I was going to fit the 5150 bilsteins but decided against it as they are mono tube (easier to damage) and also they have a reputation of breaking the mounts.(have a look around you will see what im on about)

in the end i went with tough dog foam cells., i would look at local shocks like tough dog etc before you go to bilstein etc.
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Hi DaveM,yep rebuildable.Factory trained staff nearbye.May be a saving of sorts with that option.NZ4X4.I don`t plan doing comp or heavey duty off roading like yourself.Maybe a few w/end club tag along trails and such.5150`s be OK for this application,you think?
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I mainly just potter about in mine, with the lift mainly so I could get 33's under the guards to stop dragging the diffs (which it still does).

Bilsteins would be a good shock, but I guess it all comes down to price, and if you decide at a later date to lift the truck a little more, you will need longer shocks. I only run Pro Comp shocks, which were $135ea, but do the job. There are a lot of options out there (OME, EFS etc) so compare prices.
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That`s the same as I plan/do DaveM.Guess I should just hold off awhile longer,save up and do all the lift mods in one hit.I can do without several $380 certs to stay legal. Still great to have all these Nissan guyz helping me out.Other brand drivers have been very helpful too.I love this site.onya cobber.
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daves procomps work well hes got the most flex from guys i know with gqs , id be going with daves setup hes got nice soft but not to soft springs and endless travel in those procomps at a good price :wink:



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