running on vegie oil

DieselBoy · Post by **DieselBoy** » Wed Oct 12, 2005 9:37 am

mudda-trucker wrote: ........startup on b-d and switch to deisel, but im gonig to run just one tank with b-d.

Start up on Diesel and switch over to Bio-Diesel when hot you mean??

Bubba · Post by **Bubba** » Wed Oct 12, 2005 9:45 am

Like the LPG duel fuel, I used to run in my HQ?

Is LPG still viable or has NZ run out?

mudda-trucker · Post by **mudda-trucker** » Wed Oct 12, 2005 10:23 am

"start up on Diesel and switch over to Bio-Diesel when hot you mean??"
yes that what i mean.

in winter and places where is gets to cold you will have to do that, or you can put in a inline fuel heater , about $300.oo and it will have to come from o/s (havent found any in NZ)

"Is LPG still viable or has NZ run out?"

think they saying we are gonig to run out of lpg in 2013-2015. you might have to change the HQ over to deisel and run bio deisel

Bubba · Post by **Bubba** » Wed Oct 12, 2005 10:33 am

Sadly the HQ (HZ actually) died years ago :cry:

What about performance, believe me my truck can't afford to lose any more pick up.

How viable is it to sell in NZ, what are the regulations? Can Joe Blow down the road start selling to his mates (like me)

mudda-trucker · Post by **mudda-trucker** » Wed Oct 12, 2005 11:58 am

they say it helps with performance,
as for selling it ... well not sure, if you sell it to your mates down the road as refined cooking oil i dont see any hassle... but if you sell it as a fuel.... well the govement might sting you with petrol tax ect. not sure tho.. still trying to find out more details.

Mongoose · Post by **Mongoose** » Wed Oct 26, 2005 2:03 pm

I've been reading a lot of threads on the Pajero Owners Club UK website, http://www.pocuk.co.uk. In particular check out the dedicated biodiesel forum:

http://www.pocuk.com/forums/viewforum.php?f=77

Loads of those guys are running pajeros and shoguns on a mix, from 50/50 veggie oil/diesel to 75/25 oil/diesel with no problems at all. The veggie oil is apparently slightly more viscous than diesel but mixing it in these percentages thins it down sufficiently. It seems that the veg doesn't kill the seals/pump/injectors it just tends to clean out crud from them and show up existing weaknesses. All the guys are reporting smoother quieter running with the veg oil.
In the winter the guys have been using higher percentages of diesel to solve the cold starting problems but we're talking -5 and colder in the UK with no hassles!!
I thought I'd give it a go this week at 50/50 only to discover that veggie oil is 3 bucks a litre. Not a great saving over 1 buck a litre for diesel!! In Britain you're talking around 40p per litre for oil and a pound for diesel. Seems the only way to go in NZ is with old chip-shop oil. They've also done this with success but you need to allow it to settle and take the water off the top then pass it through a 25 micron filter to remove particulate matter( ie chunks o blue cod and pie crusts)

Sounds good to me, just trying to get hold of a filter and then I'll have a chat with the local chippie. How do you explain you're need for 40l of old chip fat per week though??

When I get this sorted I'll start a diary thread similar to the one on pocuk.

Mongoose · Post by **Mongoose** » Wed Oct 26, 2005 2:05 pm

Forgot to say the good thing for us here in NZ is our road user charges will cover the tax situation so we're not doing anything naughty by making our own fuel as long as you don't accidentally disconnect the speedo cable or something silly like that. :wink:

simono · Post by **simono** » Fri Nov 25, 2005 6:50 pm

Mongoose wrote:Sounds good to me, just trying to get hold of a filter and then I'll have a chat with the local chippie. How do you explain you're need for 40l of old chip fat per week though?? When I get this sorted I'll start a diary ...

I have yet to get my finger out and give this a go too.
I am keen to find out what "off the shelf'' items can be used to make a filter set-up.

Mongoose wrote:Forgot to say the good thing for us here in NZ is our road user charges will cover the tax situation so we're not doing anything naughty by making our own fuel as long as you don't accidentally disconnect the speedo cable or something silly like that.

If your speedo cable "breaks" then it is handy to have a little card on the dash that has rpms for a given gear to match the speed ...............apparently :shock:

De-Ranged · Post by **De-Ranged** » Sat Nov 26, 2005 2:25 pm

Might have a cheap filter for you guys :wink:

Toilet paper!

I'm not shitting ya, there is a company making diesel filters that take a whole bog roll, all ya did was pull hte cardboard center out and slid the roll over a center suction piece( a tube with holes drilled in it the same Dia) this then sits inside the filter case (another bit of drilled tube or sheet thats been bent round the outside...)
Don't know what size micron they work to

but it would be very easy to build something to try em out....

Cheers Reece

mroffroader · Post by **mroffroader** » Sun Mar 26, 2006 8:09 pm

well if any1 in wellington is successfully making it in wellington i will give them $100-$150 for 200l i couldnt give 2 fu**s what govt will say bout selling it their useless pricks like the bloody cops!!!!!

mercutio · Post by **mercutio** » Sun Mar 26, 2006 8:31 pm

i know the types of filters you are talking about my father used to run them as a bypass filter on the engines of his roadsweepers they actually filter down to a really silly amount i think it was around 5 microns and you don't even need to remove the tube from the middle

mercutio · Post by **mercutio** » Sun Mar 26, 2006 8:37 pm

this is the filters my old man used

http://www.gulfcoastfilters.com/

nzhunter · Post by **nzhunter** » Thu Apr 27, 2006 9:25 pm

Hey,
Anyone in CHCH making bio-diesel? I wana come and c how to make it simply (its easier then reading pages and pages on the net :shock:

) or otherwise purchase the fuel ready to chuck straight in the tank.
Anybody?

Cheers,
DAN

mercutio · Post by **mercutio** » Thu Apr 27, 2006 10:43 pm

apparently bio diesel is not kind to rubber so it eats seals in injector pumps

hosehustler · Post by **hosehustler** » Fri Apr 28, 2006 6:58 am

Just a question on the side, i'm not thread jacking (much), but.........
what would a fiesel vehicle run like on jet a1 :?:

Baically speaking aviation grade kerosine, might look at getting a small oil burner to get myself to work and home each day......and if it would run on jet-a1

nzhunter · Post by **nzhunter** » Fri Apr 28, 2006 11:30 am

Ok,ok what to make it with:

http://www.trademe.co.nz/Business-farming-industry/Other/auction-54994925.htm

Where to learn to make it (He'll do a south island course read q+a's):

http://www.trademe.co.nz/Business-farming-industry/Industrial/Engines-motors/auction-54533404.htm

SupraLux · Post by **SupraLux** » Fri Apr 28, 2006 3:53 pm

Confirm a course fee and I'll be 1 of 6 for sure... nothing to lose. May as well have an ORE.co.nz education centre

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Steve

kiwipete · Post by **kiwipete** » Fri Apr 28, 2006 6:52 pm

Count me in too if its not going to be too expensive.
Im fundless now. :cry:

Bloody diesel injector pump is being repaired.

DaveM · Post by **DaveM** » Fri Apr 28, 2006 7:40 pm

I've got a sample of biodiesel, and a booklet on how to make it if anyone wants it, got it off TM a few months ago....

SupraLux · Post by **SupraLux** » Fri Apr 28, 2006 8:59 pm

I must admit, I'm more a "do it and play with it to learn it" kind of guy, so the course would probably be the best way for me to learn it... you know, mix the chemicals, get a few chem-burns, flash-blind myself with small explosions... all the fun stuff

Steve

hosehustler · Post by **hosehustler** » Fri Apr 28, 2006 9:43 pm

hosehustler wrote:Just a question on the side, i'm not thread jacking (much), but.........
what would a fiesel vehicle run like on jet a1
Baically speaking aviation grade kerosine, might look at getting a small oil burner to get myself to work and home each day......and if it would run on jet-a1

since found out you can run a rattlie old oil burner on kerosine :lol:

gotta get one soon

who wants to buy some fuel

PTO4WD · Post by **PTO4WD** » Wed Oct 18, 2006 8:18 pm

has anyone tried mixing bio-diesel with kero or jet A1 for the winter months?

Ive heard that they mix kero into diesel in winter anyway to keep it flown.

Also coming from down in Central Otago where it knows how to have a proper winter a few farmers would mix kero into their diesel to make their trucks tractors etc start easier.

... and a little off topic... does anyone know if avgas is still leaded?

niblik · Post by **niblik** » Wed Oct 18, 2006 8:39 pm

i've heard from an english friend of mine that, when in the colder months in england/scotland, they used to put a little parrifin in to prevent the fuel 'freezing' or not pumping...

just thought i'd throw my 2c in..

Goose · Post by **Goose** » Thu Oct 19, 2006 7:11 am

Did anyone see the bit on topgear when they used chippie oil?? All they did was add some insignificant ammount of kero (or something similar) to 20lts, tipped it in, away they went.......

and the earlier question about LPG supply, they can still import it, they do in winter now (something to do with trouble processing it in the cold months....I dunno, just said "mmmm" on the phone to rockgas when they explained it to me.....)

and that new field off timaru way they rekon might have craploads....

kaney · Post by **kaney** » Fri Oct 20, 2006 8:21 am

PTO4WD wrote:a little off topic... does anyone know if avgas is still leaded?

'Race gas'/aviation fuel is leaded (goes great in the ktm)

BrentC · Post by **BrentC** » Fri Oct 20, 2006 8:55 am

Go down to local fish shop - take home and carefully sieve out last nights chips - add approx 1 tablespoon of parafin oil per litre of vege oil - put sign in back of vehicle indicating that you aren't a mobile Chip van :lol: