costing exercise

[lee22]

ok guys.....hyperthetically
on arriving in NZ im gonna be quite desperate to get a truck sorted. ill be bringing alot of parts with me from my truck to help save money/time. what id like to do here is a costing exercise so how much would the following parts/materials set me back (new and secondhand) ... realistically.
HILUX PICKUP or 4RUNNER(solid axel only) , road legal (WOF and licence) dont matter bout condition too much so long as it aint rotted out. im reckoning on $1000-1500? (yup highly unlikely)
33-35" TYRES, muds only....?
WINCH 8000lbs+ complete with wire , remote etc....?
V8 in complete working order (carbed) not a lexus v8 there far to complex......?
ADAPTER KIT for above engine to hilux 5 speed box...?
2"/50mm cds tubing for building a cage,bumbers etc....?
2"/50mm box section tubing.....?
5mm steel plate....?
CB.....? i say this because im not sure if a uk spec rig will work in NZ
GUN RACK.....?
there ya go ... not alot really fell free to make me shit meself
lee

[Engineer]

i just got a uniden AM cb for $160 from dick smith i chose AM as thats what most of us southern guys run.
and for my 35" BFGs i paid $410 a tire.

www.4wdbits.co.nz has uhf cb's, a big range of tires and winch gear.

Cheers
Ryan

[J_Dub]

$1000 for a rusty tired solid axle surf (4runner)
$2-3000 for a tidy one if you can find one, hard to find one thats in good nick, and you gota be quick to grab one if you see one.
$2000 for a tired used and abused hilux ute
$3-4000 for a standard tidy hilux ute pre 90s
$5k plus minumum, for tidy 90s+ hilux

Utes hold there value and still selling for good money and the solid axle surfs YN60 (4runner) few and far between, they are out there, but get snapped up pretty quick, when i was looking for mine, looking for 4 months, most seemed to be in the South Island

Just a general outline though
Sometimes you will find a goody, or a cheapy or a $1 reserve on trademe, but between the farmers over here and the 4x4 enthusiastes, a good hilux goes quick at a good price, good if your selling, not so good if buying

[lee22]

$1000 for a rusty tired solid axle surf (4runner)
$2-3000 for a tidy one if you can find one, hard to find one thats in good nick, and you gota be quick to grab one if you see one.
$2000 for a tired used and abused hilux ute
$3-4000 for a standard tidy hilux ute pre 90s
$5k plus minumum, for tidy 90s+ hilux

Utes hold there value and still selling for good money and the solid axle surfs YN60 (4runner) few and far between, they are out there, but get snapped up pretty quick, when i was looking for mine, looking for 4 months, most seemed to be in the South Island

Just a general outline though
Sometimes you will find a goody, or a cheapy or a $1 reserve on trademe, but between the farmers over here and the 4x4 enthusiastes, a good hilux goes quick at a good price, good if your selling, not so good if buying

right gotya i thought 1000-1500 was abit low and youve comfirmed it looks like 3-3500 would be a better start
lee

[J_Dub]

you will find a 4runner for $1000, but chances are itl be sagging in the ass, have a tired old donk in it, done 250,000ks and have its fair share of rust. Though i remember not long after i bought mine, after waiting for months, a mint one came up in Auckland, one owner only done 140,000 ks and he was asking only $2500, typical though, when ya want one, ya cant find one

[lee22]

that what we call sods law mate. rust and most mechanical stuff aint to much of an issue to me as i can weld/spanner reasonablely well but i will be wanting to find a truck i can use pretty much straight away so the main structure would have to be sound, wing,fenders,arches etc aint that difficult to deal with after all on arriving ill be looking to have 2-3weeks to get sorted,as it were, before i start a new job etc and it only took me 2 weeks to build my current truck so i know the build is doable itll be finding one thatll slow me down
lee

[J_Dub]

sounds good, $2k then should do it easy, especially if you bringing all the gear from your truck, never know, might find a half finished project that somones selling, and all the gear you bring over could be enuf to finish it

[coxsy]

http://www.trademe.co.nz/Trade-Me-Motor ... 549487.htm
not sure want axle it has but cheap

[lee22]

http://www.trademe.co.nz/Trade-Me-Motors/Cars/Toyota/Hilux/auction-193549487.htm
not sure want axle it has but cheap

that a solid axel jobbie mate would do me just fine, now that over here in the uk would cost bout 1500uk as it is.
lee

[tallsam66]

Ive thought of getting a short wheel base SX Prado ..i think they would be an excellent vehicle...have a look at them.but not easy to find

[rangimotors]

http://www.trademe.co.nz/Trade-Me-Motors/Cars/Toyota/Hilux/auction-193549487.htm
not sure want axle it has but cheap

not a solid axle its ifs, its a dirty 2lt the doesnt go has no wof and is dereg i think its expensive. I bought a ifs surf 2lt new wof and reg not bad nick for 1000. But yea its getting harder and herder to find a good beam axle for ok money, the coin some people want you might as well buy a nice tidy cheap independant model and convert it.

[lee22]

http://www.trademe.co.nz/Trade-Me-Motors/Cars/Toyota/Hilux/auction-193549487.htm
not sure want axle it has but cheap

not a solid axle its ifs, its a dirty 2lt the doesnt go has no wof and is dereg i think its expensive. I bought a ifs surf 2lt new wof and reg not bad nick for 1000. But yea its getting harder and herder to find a good beam axle for ok money, the coin some people want you might as well buy a nice tidy cheap independant model and convert it.

converting an ifs model is an absolute last resort for me but i will be bringing a pair of axels just in case that the only option. solid axel models are soo much better for my driving style and its what im used to
lee

[muskie]

http://www.trademe.co.nz/Trade-Me-Motors/Cars/Toyota/Hilux/auction-193549487.htm
not sure want axle it has but cheap

not a solid axle its ifs, its a dirty 2lt the doesnt go has no wof and is dereg i think its expensive. I bought a ifs surf 2lt new wof and reg not bad nick for 1000. But yea its getting harder and herder to find a good beam axle for ok money, the coin some people want you might as well buy a nice tidy cheap independant model and convert it.

converting an ifs model is an absolute last resort for me but i will be bringing a pair of axels just in case that the only option. solid axel models are soo much better for my driving style and its what im used to
lee

just fill your container with parts and dont throw/give anything away, i gave loads of stuff away before i came over here 3 years ago from the uk only to find out its twice the price here, bring plenty of nuts and bolts, they cost nothing in the uk but over here bloody expensive. bring me an 8x4 sheet of ally chequer plate good luck with the move

[lee22]

[quote="muskie]

just fill your container with parts and dont throw/give anything away, i gave loads of stuff away before i came over here 3 years ago from the uk only to find out its twice the price here, bring plenty of nuts and bolts, they cost nothing in the uk but over here bloody expensive. bring me an 8x4 sheet of ally chequer plate good luck with the move[/quote]

all the truck parts inc engine and trans will be in a container allong with me tools, materials, (inc ali ) etc. im not one to throw anything usefull away. what sort of cost are welding consumables over there
lee

[PigFmr]

[quote="muskie]

just fill your container with parts and dont throw/give anything away, i gave loads of stuff away before i came over here 3 years ago from the uk only to find out its twice the price here, bring plenty of nuts and bolts, they cost nothing in the uk but over here bloody expensive. bring me an 8x4 sheet of ally chequer plate good luck with the move[/quote]

yep i done the same 8years ago left loads of stuff behind tools etc,cars gave my mate my audi quattro that was neally finshed sold my bmw's below price, then found out stuff here was bloody expensive was not to be bad to be begin with but when your pounds run out and you get paid kiwi dollars you think twice about spending ur coin,but hey great place to live thou
vince

[lee22]

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cost over there is one of the main reasons for bringing all me tools etc, it would cost me a good few grand to replace them all. just hand tools alone i have summut like ten toolboxs full
lee

[PigFmr]

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cost over there is one of the main reasons for bringing all me tools etc, it would cost me a good few grand to replace them all. just hand tools alone i have summut like ten toolboxs full
lee

yep just chop the plugs off and replace with nz ones

[lee22]

yep just chop the plugs off and replace with nz ones

so my welder drills etc will all work with a plug change nice
lee

[muskie]

[what sort of cost are welding consumables over there
lee[/quote]

remember modifying a vehicle in nz can be a real problem and any major chassis repair/mods have to be welded by a certified welder, most other things HAVE to be certified, you might get away with some things but if you have any crashes you WILL be screwed if its not certed, nothing like the uk where you can do whatever you want and get an mot no worries.


welders are expensive, welding equipment is about the same, if you dont have a welder try to score one whilst in the uk, nz is full of chinese welders of dubious quality. bring a single phase, you will be everyones friend. getting welding done isnt cheap and not many bussinesses can be bothered.. a couple of valuable things to remember is your a pomme and as soon as you open your mouth everyone knows it and thinks they can charge a fortune so you do tend to get ripped off until you learn, also you have lost that big circle of friends you had in the uk were you could get stuff done by your mate "steve" down the road for a tenner..... its a beautiful place to live, oh yes but there are drawbacks what do you do for a living??

[lee22]

[what sort of cost are welding consumables over there
lee

welders are expensive, if you dont have one try to score one whilst in the uk, nz is full of chinese welders of dubious quality. bring a single phase, you will be everyones friend. getting welding done isnt cheap and not many bussinesses can be bothered.. a couple of valuable things to remember is your a pomme and as soon as you open your mouth everyone knows it and thinks they can charge a fortune so you do tend to get ripped off until you learn, also you have lost that big circle of friends you had in the uk were you could get stuff done by your mate "steve" down the road for a tenner..... its a beautiful place to live, oh yes but there are drawbacks what do you do for a living??[/quote]


im a landscape gardener by trade but also done mechanics in me younger years. learnt to weld many years back out of necessaty but ill be doing the course to get the paper before i come to NZ. i have a welder already its probebly my most used tool of late what with coiling me truck and me bruver repairing his. as far as getting ripped off i learnt a long time back to 'do your homework' otherwise theres always someone ready to take advantage. luckily theres not much i cant do myself, fairly good with mechanics,fabrication and electrics on the plus i enjoy it too
lee

[coxsy]

welders thats me at $24.00 odd / hour is average, running a shop over here is not, with the goverments take, osh, ect steel, power,workshop hours climb to near $60/hour , cheap compared to your dentist or lawyer,charges

[Engineer]

remember modifying a vehicle in nz can be a real problem and any major chassis repair/mods have to be welded by a certified welder, most other things HAVE to be certified, you might get away with some things but if you have any crashes you WILL be screwed if its not certed, nothing like the uk where you can do whatever you want and get an mot no worries.

there seems to be a misconception about being a certified welder when modifying vehicles..you arent required to be certified. You dont even need to be certified when building truck trailers or modifying the chassis of large rigs.
any lifting equipment..jigs, lifting eyes, structural buildings etc then you do....
when repairing or modifying a vehicle that has airbags then that opens up a can of worms, as that vehicle has definate crumple zones they need to be retained while keeping the strenth of the chassis upto standard. you still are not required to be a certified welder, youve just got to know exactly what your certifier is happy with you doing to a vehicle with airbags.

carrying out repairs..cracks in the chassis etc dont need certification either, however again if it was on a chassis with airbags then i would speak to a certifier or engineer before carrying the repair out.

when modifying vehicles your certifier requires you to be able to prove youre a competent welder and thats upto his discreation as to how he decides whether you are or are not competent.

Cheers
Ryan

[lee22]

seems the set up in NZ is a completely differant kettle of fish than the uk, here anyone can repair there own motor and its then up to the mot'ers (wof) discretion as to weather its good enough. but if you wanted to earn a living welding, be it in the motor trade or elsewhere, then you have got to be certified or you woulddnt even get concidered. as far as getting the certificate myself its something ive always wanted to do...and it looks good on a CV
to make sure i understand this right when modifying a truck etc you do the mod, get it certified then go for the wof? is that right?
lee

[Ryan]

why not bring your truck out here?

[lee22]

why not bring your truck out here?

with all the new regs on imports its unlikely ill ever get it road leagel in NZ and for what itll cost me to ship it out there i can get another one and use the bits to re-do it (alittle better too )
lee

[Ryan]

why not bring your truck out here?

with all the new regs on imports its unlikely ill ever get it road leagel in NZ and for what itll cost me to ship it out there i can get another one and use the bits to re-do it (alittle better too )
lee

i was thinking if you brought yours in a container then when you get here buy a shitter with live plates etc and swap numbers etc?? bit dodgey but many have done this before.....

just another option then you dont need to start fresh??

[lee22]

why not bring your truck out here?

with all the new regs on imports its unlikely ill ever get it road leagel in NZ and for what itll cost me to ship it out there i can get another one and use the bits to re-do it (alittle better too )
lee

i was thinking if you brought yours in a container then when you get here buy a shitter with live plates etc and swap numbers etc?? bit dodgey but many have done this before.....

just another option then you dont need to start fresh??

i did think about going down that route but id rather not take the chance and it wont take me long or cost massive ammounts of dollars to sort out another truck. also thinking of getting a 4runner instead of a pickup
lee

[muskie]

remember modifying a vehicle in nz can be a real problem and any major chassis repair/mods have to be welded by a certified welder, most other things HAVE to be certified, you might get away with some things but if you have any crashes you WILL be screwed if its not certed, nothing like the uk where you can do whatever you want and get an mot no worries.

there seems to be a misconception about being a certified welder when modifying vehicles..you arent required to be certified. You dont even need to be certified when building truck trailers or modifying the chassis of large rigs.
any lifting equipment..jigs, lifting eyes, structural buildings etc then you do....
when repairing or modifying a vehicle that has airbags then that opens up a can of worms, as that vehicle has definate crumple zones they need to be retained while keeping the strenth of the chassis upto standard. you still are not required to be a certified welder, youve just got to know exactly what your certifier is happy with you doing to a vehicle with airbags.

carrying out repairs..cracks in the chassis etc dont need certification either, however again if it was on a chassis with airbags then i would speak to a certifier or engineer before carrying the repair out.

when modifying vehicles your certifier requires you to be able to prove youre a competent welder and thats upto his discreation as to how he decides whether you are or are not competent.

Cheers
Ryan

hehehehehehe i wish you were my certifier then as you seem to know a hell of a lot more about it than him, as my chassis mods to a non airbag 1992 terrano HAD to be carried out by a certified welder or it will not be accepted. and that was just modifying a cross member to clear the rear prop shaft. i decided to space the gearbox instead. i think most certifiers make there own rules depending on the mood of the day and most are awkward grumpy old gits.