safari flex arm

[stainless]

hey truck lovers

first nissan mega flex arm off the jig 2day

will post some pics of trials soon...


steve
advantage 4wd

[flyingbrick]

Are you the dude on TM from chch?

[PR]

Price

[stainless]

hey
yip iam the trademe guy. custom make lots of cool safi a lux parts.. arms should be around $500..

steve
advantage 4wd

[flyingbrick]

Will people use one or two of these arms on their truck?

[stainless]

just one on pasenger side

[J_Dub]

what are these? how do they work and what hilux good bits you got?

[1MadEngineer]

hey truck lovers

first nissan mega flex arm off the jig 2day

will post some pics of trials soon...


steve
advantage 4wd

maybe you could just copy the pictures off the SUPERIOR engineering site!
and the PATENT number as well............

[wopass]

hey truck lovers

first nissan mega flex arm off the jig 2day

will post some pics of trials soon...


steve
advantage 4wd

maybe you could just copy the pictures off the SUPERIOR engineering site!
and the PATENT number as well............

sombody has a bee in thier bonnet

[monstr]

Your not wrong there Ben and to make matters worse theres a couple of Kiwis on the Outerlimits forum stirring it up as well.

[coxsy]

how much differance in flex between these thing and standard set up

[DaveM]

Your not wrong there Ben and to make matters worse theres a couple of Kiwis on the Outerlimits forum stirring it up as well.

No stirring at all I'm afraid, I mentioned that there may be a flex arm from NZ, and 1MadEngineer believes (rightly or wrongly) that they may be a cheap rip off of his own arm.
Obviously he may be completely wrong, and Steve has likely done his own design and research on his new arms, time will tell, but as I mentioned on OL, I will stick to the Superior arms as they have been proven on the comp trucks over there so wouldn't risk buying a new unproven product so early into development, especially such a crucial piece that could go horribly wrong should it fail.

The reason I didn't originally post my thought here was I did not want to put other potential buyers off with my comments or make them think that Steve's arms were inferior, it was my own opinion, and if I wanted to stir, I would have posted the comment here from the start

twodiffs is the only other NZer that I know of who has commented, and his comments were not of stirring either, he too would pay more for a proven product, no different to those who would refuse to buy a chinese locker until they are proven strong and reliable

I for one hope that Steve has come up with an innovative new idea with the arms, as it would be good to have more 4wd products designed and made here, as there would be a fairly good market for these arms once they have been tested and perfected

[monstr]

Okay so why in your post do you mention them being a cheap copy eventhough as you said you have never seen them and dont really know much about them .anyone that knows or reads Outers know it takes bugger all for them to jump to conclusions and start slagging of people ,there has already been posts about law suits ,sending Kiwis home etc and still nobody has even seen the arm yet ?

[DaveM]

Okay so why in your post do you mention them being a cheap copy eventhough as you said you have never seen them and dont really know much about them .anyone that knows or reads Outers know it takes bugger all for them to jump to conclusions and start slagging of people ,there has already been posts about law suits ,sending Kiwis home etc and still nobody has even seen the arm yet ?

Because the price is cheaper, and as Steve has already said, they are similar to the Superior arm, so you too like jumping to conclusions, and read things the way you want to?
I didn't say Steve's was a cheap nasty copy, but I would not buy a cheap copy until it has been proven

I also stated that if it turned out to be a blatant rip off of superiors arms, I would not buy on principal alone, and I stand by that comment.

I don't spend much time on OL and was suprised at some of the comments, but hey, it's a forum, who cares. If Steve has a new product that will do it's intended job, good on him, but if its a copy of the superior arm and 1madengineer wants to protect his product, fair enough

[1MadEngineer]

hey truck lovers

first nissan mega flex arm off the jig 2day

will post some pics of trials soon...


steve
advantage 4wd

maybe you could just copy the pictures off the SUPERIOR engineering site!
and the PATENT number as well............

sombody has a bee in thier bonnet

no bee in the bonnet just really dissappointed! most guys in the 4wd industry have a good relationship and a healthy respect towards each other. The 4wd industry is pretty small, and tweaking / modifying and improving on ideas is a good thing, as we all benefit from constant development! I hope i am really wrong about these being a blatent copy, and i actually do hope i have to apologise for jumping to this conclusion.
For a bit of background - I am the actual engineer who designed and developed these arms (and many other cool stuff for nissans!). I loved doing this project, as i got to dispell much of the BS about front end flex in nissans. I gathered heaps of data on many different setups, 5links / xlink / various brands of drop arms and all with very surprising results. Lets just say i have a bit of a fetish for modifying and designing top-end suspension setups...

I am really proud of what i finally came up with for the GQ/GU's and i spose that why i am a little protective of my work. Currently I personally hold 5 international patents and have had a hand in over 30 others so far, I really don't want to have to fight for stuff in court as even if you do win, you never seem to be any better off. and its silly to destroy someones lively hood over them trying to make a few hundred dollars in actual profit... The only guy that will win will be my smart-ar$ed patent attorney, and he doesn't deserve any more of my money.

As i said i really do hope this is just a big missunderstanding of words, I really do enjoy making stuff for comp/play trucks and i hope to be doing it for a while longer yet.

ON another note - i am testing a heap of awesome new products for GQ/GU's at the moment. Can't say too much, but i will keep you informed (ps any ideas or wish list items please pm me , and i may be able to come up with something)

[MudBum]

ON another note - i am testing a heap of awesome new products for GQ/GU's at the moment. Can't say too much, but i will keep you informed (ps any ideas or wish list items please pm me , and i may be able to come up with something)

PM please when your ready about upgrades as im in need of some.

[DaveM]

High steer conversion please.

[1MadEngineer]

High steer conversion please.

actually working on it!

I only just got handed some shiny new billet K1045 locking hub bodies, straight off the CNC!! very bling... We are putting the first set on a GQ for TUFFTRUCK09 running 44" swampers and CAL chromo cv's.

[stainless]

thanks for for having an open mind dave.
based on the superior arm was the wrong thing to say it is not a copy. it is a diffrent way to look at the same problem.
and iam sorry to report that todays testing did not go aswell as hoped, still more kinks to be worked out.
hopefully superior will wont to copy my arm when is sorted..

[stainless]

no bee in the bonnet just really dissappointed! most guys in the 4wd industry have a good relationship and a healthy respect towards each other. The 4wd industry is pretty small, and tweaking / modifying and improving on ideas is a good thing, as we all benefit from constant development! I hope i am really wrong about these being a blatent copy, and i actually do hope i have to apologise for jumping to this conclusion.
For a bit of background - I am the actual engineer who designed and developed these arms (and many other cool stuff for nissans!). I loved doing this project, as i got to dispell much of the BS about front end flex in nissans. I gathered heaps of data on many different setups, 5links / xlink / various brands of drop arms and all with very surprising results. Lets just say i have a bit of a fetish for modifying and designing top-end suspension setups...

I am really proud of what i finally came up with for the GQ/GU's and i spose that why i am a little protective of my work. Currently I personally hold 5 international patents and have had a hand in over 30 others so far, I really don't want to have to fight for stuff in court as even if you do win, you never seem to be any better off. and its silly to destroy someones lively hood over them trying to make a few hundred dollars in actual profit... The only guy that will win will be my smart-ar$ed patent attorney, and he doesn't deserve any more of my money.

As i said i really do hope this is just a big missunderstanding of words, I really do enjoy making stuff for comp/play trucks and i hope to be doing it for a while longer yet.

ON another note - i am testing a heap of awesome new products for GQ/GU's at the moment. Can't say too much, but i will keep you informed (ps any ideas or wish list items please pm me , and i may be able to come up with something)[/quote]

hey kids
I love suspension aswell (I wake up in the night with allsorts of crazy idears)
Iam not hoping to upset enyone.
I like what superior/you have made for your arm, (i have had a quik look at daves one).
I was just trying to add somthing new and maybe a littel out there!!!
iam sorry my explanation of the arm was (based on) as its not so.....
steve

[DaveM]

Don't apologise Steve, just make that arm and get it on some trucks out there, these Safari's need all the help they can get to flex the front.
Once you've done that, start doing diff shaving mods, and I'll book mine in!

[Twodiffs]

Thank you DaveM for the correction re Outers forum, like I said I think all should be designed on their own merits etc.
What stirred me up a bit was the negative comment about Kiwi's in general but that was soon laid to rest.

1MadEngineer....great to see you online in NZ welcome dude

[3VILC]

To throw an idea out there although it probably already been tried and has a reason for being at it is.. but what about changing the inboard end of the radius arms to an eye type mount rather than pin? Obviously would only work with the appropriate drop box for it to bolt too.

[coxsy]

like this

[1MadEngineer]

To throw an idea out there although it probably already been tried and has a reason for being at it is.. but what about changing the inboard end of the radius arms to an eye type mount rather than pin? Obviously would only work with the appropriate drop box for it to bolt too.

done! a Comp version is available on request, that runs a drop box to convert to an eye. They are also available in custom lengths upon request for special applications.

I am also working on a 'proper' 3link setup for the front end for those that want maximum flex, but these will require fitment of 18" travel shocks...

[1MadEngineer]

like this

those have been around for a long while now and have been the cause of quite a few chassis issues!!( i won't say any more, google them). The issue being you are forcing the nissan chassis to handle forces its not designed for, by inducing a 'twisting moment' into the mount - not good and you are also reducing the effective radius arm length, and moving the mounting(pivoting) point further forward, this in turns creates higher Antisquat characteristics, which make the front end drive even worse..... we tested a set and were glad to give them back

[coxsy]

so as i asked earlier are those new arms any better than stock, but you seemed to be caught up in who copying who

[DaveM]

so as i asked earlier are those new arms any better than stock, but you seemed to be caught up in who copying who

I have personally found a big difference in front flex, with no noticable difference in on road handling.
I'm running OME L series 4" shocks on my GU shorty, and need longer shocks to get the most potential from the flex arms.
I am running a standard (non drop) flex arm, and one factory arm on superior drop boxes.
Main reason I did this is I'm told it allows the front to climb over objects better as apposed to drop arms, but probably the main issue was getting 2 arms back in hand luggage on the plane, we were 18kg over as it was with one drop box in our carry on bag

[DaveM]

Coxsy, you fairly keen on getting a superior arm (or set)?
If you are, let me know and I might be able to organise to get mine to you to try out. The limiting factor would be the shock length, but you may be able to just disconnect them to see what sort of flex you can get from these arms.

I was quite keen to have the only one in NZ , but I'm happy to help promote them to see what other think of them, I certainly have no complaints

[coxsy]

thank for the offer , still need to lift this thing a bit before a front mod, does what i want from it if not winch time