Rotorua Winch Challenge 2009 (RWC 09)

[Jungle]

Yes! The RWC is back.
We have a new crew running the event and the land that we plan to use is all new too.

Please visit the link http://www.geyserland4wd.co.nz/download ... ration.pdf
to find out all about it and get those entry forms in.

We need at least 16 trucks entered by the 12th of April and the $50 deposit payed. If we don't have the numbers we wont run an event this year! We will refund your deposit if we don't run the event.

So get those forms in ASAP.

Cheers

Jungle

[wopass]

hey George, are you running a club class as well or just challenge class? would be awesum if there was

[Jungle]

Let the fun begin.

We are running a winch challenge as we have done for many years.
This event is not affiliated with the 4x4 challenges club.

If you meet the basic specs of a 6 point cage, wof, reg, and all the other safety features we require, then you can race at our event.

We believe that if running an event against the stop watch, then all trucks must have a basic standard of safety. This is a motor sport event. Our club takes the safety of its members and competitors very seriously.

Cheers
Jungle

[wopass]

ahh ok sweet as dude, wasnt aware of the seperation between the two.

its far enough away that i may look at trying to enter would be cool to have a run with you guys, and its a bit closer to home as well

[GQTROL]

"Competitor trucks minimum requirements will be a current NZ WOF no more than 28 days old at time of scrutineering, a current Registration, a six point roll cage to NZ4WDA standard minimum, four point harnesses for both driver and co-driver and plasma / synthetic winch rope."

So no MANZ, ORANZ or CCDA cages allowed?

[darinz]

Beat me to it Mitch. Looks like a lot of us can't go as they have made their own rules that outlaw us!

[monstr]

Hi George,is any of the new land that you are planning to use the same as last year i:e cut pine forests ?
Cheers

[monstr]

Taken from the 4x4 challenges web site

Rotorua Winch Challenge 2009

10th to 12th July 2009

The Geyserland 4WD Club would like to accept expressions of interest for this year's RWC!
This year's event will be unique in running Club Class up against the Challenge Class on ALL stages.

Club Class vehicles wishing to consider this challenge must meet the following standard:
• Current registration and WOF
• Four point rollcage in ALL vehicles to NZFWDA standard minimum
• Four point harnesses for driver and co-driver

Please do not hesitate to contact the G4C Secretary Cameron Burrows to register your interest and receive an information pack with further details.

[Madaz]

Also, If its not being run under 4x4 challenges rules, whats the deal with warrants?
Some of us have just gone through the log book process to avoid having to get a new warrant for every event?

Cheers

[haynzy]

pending finances I may be keen, if the club class is run, what will be the max tyre size?

[4WDbits]

Not affilited with 4x4 Challenges, so not part of the points series either?
Where are the competition rules published as we obviously can't use the 4x4 challenges rules as gospel?

[DieselBoy]

If the Competition is being run on private land (i.e Forestry) then club class should not need a WOF and REG!!!!!!!!!

The only instance that a WOF and REG should be required in club class is where it is required by law i.e, when traveling on a public road that isn't closed for the event.

The NZ4WDA Insurance, plus the 3rd Party Insurance would just about, no infact it would completely cover any liabilities that could be of concern to a land owner.

Just my thoughts, as i would like enter club class, but due to the Wof and Reg requirements will be excluded, as will about 6 or 7 other potential club class entrants i can think of

[Madaz]

Not affilited with 4x4 Challenges, so not part of the points series either?

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[Jungle]

Sorry to leave you all hanging like that. Been in the bush for the weekend.

I'll try and clear everything up as quick as I can.

As far as roll cages go. What we meant was that the NZ4WDA cage was a lower spec cage than the rest. Maybe we should have said that this cage is designed for lower speed rollovers. All other cages built to ORANZ, MANZ, and CCDA spec are welcome at the RWC 09.

The WOF and Rego is a requirement of the landowner. The RWC has always required this of its competitors. Remember that you will be driving to and from race stages on public roads.

The points debate. Our event is being run just as it was last year. As I said before this event is not affiliated with the 4x4 challenges club.

I hope this has cleared things up. Sorry for any confusion.

Cheers
Jungle

[DieselBoy]

Sorry to leave you all hanging like that. Been in the bush for the weekend.

I'll try and clear everything up as quick as I can.

As far as roll cages go. What we meant was that the NZ4WDA cage was a lower spec cage than the rest. Maybe we should have said that this cage is designed for lower speed rollovers. All other cages built to ORANZ, MANZ, and CCDA spec are welcome at the RWC 09.

The WOF and Rego is a requirement of the landowner. The RWC has always required this of its competitors. Remember that you will be driving to and from race stages on public roads.

The points debate. Our event is being run just as it was last year. As I said before this event is not affiliated with the 4x4 challenges club.

I hope this has cleared things up. Sorry for any confusion.

Cheers
Jungle

Why does the land owner require WOF and Rego???

As for public roads, with good organisation, the vehicle can be trailered when required by the support vehicle.

[wopass]

Sorry to leave you all hanging like that. Been in the bush for the weekend.

I'll try and clear everything up as quick as I can.

As far as roll cages go. What we meant was that the NZ4WDA cage was a lower spec cage than the rest. Maybe we should have said that this cage is designed for lower speed rollovers. All other cages built to ORANZ, MANZ, and CCDA spec are welcome at the RWC 09.

The WOF and Rego is a requirement of the landowner. The RWC has always required this of its competitors. Remember that you will be driving to and from race stages on public roads.

The points debate. Our event is being run just as it was last year. As I said before this event is not affiliated with the 4x4 challenges club.

I hope this has cleared things up. Sorry for any confusion.

Cheers
Jungle

Why does the land owner require WOF and Rego???

As for public roads, with good organisation, the vehicle can be trailered when required by the support vehicle.

forestry roads dude, same as mine roads and the roads we have on site, even tho they are private property they require wof and reg... i think thats the case anyway?

[PeterVahry]

Hi George, why not make life simple and actually align to the 4x4 Challenges NZ rules and points process? Is there any particular reason not to?
The 4x4 Challenges NZ rules still require registration and WOF along with third party insurance. The log book scheme just allows the WOF to be greater than 28 days but one is still needed.

Peter

[Jungle]

To tell you the truth Pete, we are pretty much aligned with those rules.
I don't think we have changed our rules since last year.

There has been no official request from 4x4challenges to the Geyserland Committee
to make our event part of a series. We are just running our event independently as we have for the past 5 years.

The RWC committee will convene shortly to discuss these matters.

Thanks for all your input guys.

Cheers
Jungle

[DieselBoy]

Still to be answered is WHY the land owner requires WOF and REG on vehicles competeing in this event.

Sure thats the rule's, and has been for every other RWC, but in an effort to boost the Club class entries, i would be interested to examine possible ways around these requirements, thats all

[PeterVahry]

WHY the land owner requires WOF and REG on vehicles competeing in this event.

Probably for the same reasoning that 4x4 Challenges NZ originally required those items... to try to ensure that participating vehicles are safe to use. Don't forget that a landowner who allows use of their land for a fee, then becomes legally liable under OSH. If a vehicle has the stickers to say it has been professionally inspected then that covers at least one potential safety issue.
Risk management it is called and obviously that landowner wants to protect himself.

Peter

[DieselBoy]

WHY the land owner requires WOF and REG on vehicles competeing in this event.

Probably for the same reasoning that 4x4 Challenges NZ originally required those items... to try to ensure that participating vehicles are safe to use. Don't forget that a landowner who allows use of their land for a fee, then becomes legally liable under OSH. If a vehicle has the stickers to say it has been professionally inspected then that covers at least one potential safety issue.
Risk management it is called and obviously that landowner wants to protect himself.

Peter

Yep, make's sense, but at risk of goin round in circles as we have already been here on other threads related to club class late last year and earlier this year, where we discussed these issues and decided there are perfectly good options for avoiding the WOF and REG requirements in relation to your comments above.

These options were used at the Norwest OHV WC, also at the Whangarei WC

Obviously the Club class can and has been run safely with out the WOF and REG requirements, as has been proven at these events through out the country,

I want to know WHY the situation is different for the RWC??

WHY does that particular land owner require a WOF and REG on club class vehicles??

What i am asking , is what are the actual circumstances surrounding this particular individual event that make the requirements a neccesity??

I'm looking for reason's WHY

Pete

[GQTROL]

Pete,
The forest owners and their security company allow access to WoF'd and Rego'd vehicles only.....its their forest, so its their rules. If you want access, you abide by their rules, simple as that.

Why they require it, I have no idea....but thats what they've always stipulated for as long as the Geyserland Club have operated in there.

[darinz]

Pete,
The forest owners and their security company allow access to WoF'd and Rego'd vehicles only.....its their forest, so its their rules. If you want access, you abide by their rules, simple as that.

Why they require it, I have no idea....but thats what they've always stipulated for as long as the Geyserland Club have operated in there.

Exactly. No WOF and reg then no access.
It is the same as for my comp where you must have a rollbar for club class.

Guys don't think that the RWC committee are doing things for the sake of it! The rollcage issue was just a miss-understanding and has been solved and I think a couple of other things maybe as well. But WOF is a requirement of access to the land, simple no argument possible. This is the land that is available to race on so it is either that rule or no race at all.

[skid]

looks like wop has a new winch bitch then

bummer pete

[Madaz]

Why does the warrant have to be less than 28 days old then?

What wrong with just having a current warrant?

Cheers

[wopass]

Why does the warrant have to be less than 28 days old then?

What wrong with just having a current warrant?

Cheers

a lot can happen to a vehicle in 6 months man...look at my 40 still has a current wof from 5 months ago and its a bit different now

[monstr]

Why does the warrant have to be less than 28 days old then?

What wrong with just having a current warrant?

Cheers

a lot can happen to a vehicle in 6 months man...look at my 40 still has a current wof from 5 months ago and its a bit different now

Hi Ben i hear what you are saying but wasnt that one of the main reasons for getting a log book ,also if you look at almost any winch challenge i can almost guarantee after the first stage or two most trucks would not be up to WOF standard,.Steve

[Madaz]

Maybe they should make exceptions so that people who have a logbook can just run with a current warrant?
And I hear what your saying Ben, but lets face it - unless the warrant is issued 5 minutes before the first stage, its always gonna be open to abuse.

[DieselBoy]

Pete,
The forest owners and their security company allow access to WoF'd and Rego'd vehicles only.....its their forest, so its their rules. If you want access, you abide by their rules, simple as that.

Why they require it, I have no idea....but thats what they've always stipulated for as long as the Geyserland Club have operated in there.

Exactly. No WOF and reg then no access.
It is the same as for my comp where you must have a rollbar for club class.

Guys don't think that the RWC committee are doing things for the sake of it! The rollcage issue was just a miss-understanding and has been solved and I think a couple of other things maybe as well. But WOF is a requirement of access to the land, simple no argument possible. This is the land that is available to race on so it is either that rule or no race at all.

Ah well, thats just the way it is then eh, its always been that way, so we don't dare look for an alternative solution, there's just no other way that we could satisfy the concerns of the land owner

Seriously though, I consider myself told, I'll leave it be

[wopass]

Maybe they should make exceptions so that people who have a logbook can just run with a current warrant?
And I hear what your saying Ben, but lets face it - unless the warrant is issued 5 minutes before the first stage, its always gonna be open to abuse.

yea true that...

"sweet it got the WOF...now i can thrash the nuts off it"