simex ET2 or super swampers ???

[muddyplumber]

planning a bighorn build at the mo, its gonna be sprung over with solid front end,with lockers its gonna run the standard turbo intercooled 2.8 with different turbo set up boosting bout 16psi. the 2 tires im deciding on are 36" superswampers or 36" simex extreme treker 2, they are both about the same price. truck will do a little bit of road work but mostly mud and rivers.would be great to here what people think. Rich

[Taz]

Don't think simex's would be the better option for either of those. They like to dig down down to a hard base so they are of use don't they, so would be a pain in soft shingle and not as effective as swampers in mud. Not great on rocks either I hear.

Don't know anyone that runs swampers so don't know much about them though.

[muddyplumber]

iv had some swampers before but never really took them off road, long story.so cant really say what they were like . i just remember them being really heavy. weight is alittle bit of an issue as i dont hsve all the power in the world.

[rangimotors]

alot of the weight you had in them were the rims with bead lockers, i wouldn't think that the simexs are much if any lighter.
I think the tripple block et2's are probably better on the road and might wear a bit better, dean wore out those swampers really fast..

[Taz]

alot of the weight you had in them were the rims with bead lockers, i wouldn't think that the simexs are much if any lighter.
I think the tripple block et2's are probably better on the road and might wear a bit better, dean wore out those swampers really fast..

Simex's arn't renowned for wearing well on the road either so your screwed either way haha. Doesn't matter if you've got the coin to throw around though. Some kl71's would be a good choice if your open to other tyres I rekon. Rate well in the mud and river work.

[callum007]

Swampers any day of the week.. if your just compairing those 2.. but im bias'd and have had a few sets of swampers

[Bulletproof]

planning a bighorn build at the mo, its gonna be sprung over with solid front end,with lockers its gonna run the standard turbo intercooled 2.8 with different turbo set up boosting bout 16psi. the 2 tires im deciding on are 36" superswampers or 36" simex extreme treker 2, they are both about the same price. truck will do a little bit of road work but mostly mud and rivers.would be great to here what people think. Rich

I notice you are from ChCh. If you are thinking about rivers down there you want to forget about Swampers and ETs or otherwise you will be stuck.

Get some Radials and run low pressure

Cheers Richard

[4WDbits]

Swampers any day of the week.. if your just compairing those 2.. but im bias'd and have had a few sets of swampers

What tyre you calling 'swamper', the TSL Bogger, IROK, TRXUS, TSL Radial, TSL Bias, TSL SX or Original TSL?

[Sadam_Husain]

Don't think simex's would be the better option for either of those. They like to dig down down to a hard base so they are of use don't they, so would be a pain in soft shingle and not as effective as swampers in mud. Not great on rocks either I hear.

Don't know anyone that runs swampers so don't know much about them though.

As Taz said Simexes are shit on rivers and shingle, it only takes half a turn of the tyre to bury yourself down to your chassis once you lose traction and there shit on the road.... really noisey and mine lasted about 12k

[muddyplumber]

was just looking at the TSL on the "4wdbits" wedsite, starting to think the simexs arent the best idea now. the last set of tires i had was mudzillas, wasnt such a fan of them either.

[Jezza]

If your thinking on spending that much on tyres what about some 35" BF Goodrich Mud-Terrains, they are fantastic for almost everything, have good road manners and wear really well.

[albundy]

If your thinking on spending that much on tyres what about some 35" BF Goodrich Mud-Terrains, they are fantastic for almost everything, have good road manners and wear really well

Kumho KL 71's are better and cheaper.

I notice you are from ChCh. If you are thinking about rivers down there you want to forget about Swampers and ETs or otherwise you will be stuck.

OR, you could use it as an experience to learn good throttle control so you don't dig them in. I run silverstones, simex copies. I have been using them in Canterbury rivers for a year now, only been stuck once and that wasn't even in the river, just some real soft quicksand type of stuff. You can learn to use fine movements of your throttle to control your whell spin in soft shingle.
Al

[callum007]

I've always had TSL's.. but if the price was ever right or i was in the states i'd have bogger/Tsl combo...

I think he means TSL's.. that was what i meant.. most ppl cant run Iroks..

[BrentC]

You can learn to use fine movements of your throttle to control your wheel spin in soft shingle.
Al

I am with Al - I love my 35" Simex's - particuarly down a muddy slippery slope - or anywhere - coz you just walk through most places that get others stuck - and when you need to - you have mud chucking paddle wheels to get out of trouble. Have had no problems on road - but then I won't go further that 2 hrs driving without trailering them.

[muddyplumber]

silverstones had always been in the back of my mind, seem like a good tire checked them out today. as far as i no the widest they come is 11.5" where as i can get a simex ET2 12.5" wide for not much more. does that extra width make much of a difference? Rich

[BrentC]

silverstones had always been in the back of my mind, seem like a good tire checked them out today. as far as i no the widest they come is 11.5" where as i can get a simex ET2 12.5" wide for not much more. does that extra width make much of a difference? Rich

Whereas I changed from 12.5 to 10.5 in my 70 series - in the hope that they will push through the crap rather than floating on top of it

[mercutio]

yes well width is another debate
personally i think narrower and taller is better on a heavy vehicle and wider tyres are better on a lighter vehicle my theory is the heavier vehicle is going to sink through anyway so when you do get to the hard you actually want greater pressure on your contact patch to get traction and a narrower tyre is the simplest way to do that

i will now stand back and wait for my comments to be shot down in

[Bulletproof]

yes well width is another debate
personally i think narrower and taller is better on a heavy vehicle and wider tyres are better on a lighter vehicle my theory is the heavier vehicle is going to sink through anyway so when you do get to the hard you actually want greater pressure on your contact patch to get traction and a narrower tyre is the simplest way to do that

i will now stand back and wait for my comments to be shot down in

Interesting theory but in practice I don't think it works. My argument would be the opposite and have wider tyres on a heavy truck so you do not to drop through in the first but float over the top.
As much as every one thinks you need cross plys, many times radials are better this reason. I have ETs and BFGs and if I had to just have one set would settle for the radial.

On hard clay a simex anyday but bottomless bog the BFG

That works for me and might not suit another truck.

Cheers Richard

[vvega]

yes well width is another debate
personally i think narrower and taller is better on a heavy vehicle and wider tyres are better on a lighter vehicle my theory is the heavier vehicle is going to sink through anyway so when you do get to the hard you actually want greater pressure on your contact patch to get traction and a narrower tyre is the simplest way to do that

i will now stand back and wait for my comments to be shot down in

its funny
if we were talking race cars .. wider tyres dont actually give you a larger contact patch .. the overall area of the patch actually stays the same size .. but you there are other reasons you get more grip
how ever since were alking 4wds :d lol it prolly more dependant on how much you bag them contact patch wise

[4WDbits]

... I run silverstones, simex copies....
Al

Minor correction to detail: Simex (Sime Export tyres) ETs are actually copies of Silverstones which were originally for the Malaysian conditions.

[albundy]

Minor correction to detail: Simex (Sime Export tyres) ETs are actually copies of Silverstones which were originally for the Malaysian conditions

.
Heard that once, pissed around a campfire, and i believed it then too. Makes sense really.
I run my tyres on 7" rims now after good advice from bulletproof, but I now need to be more careful with the body work as the tyres aren't keeping the truck off the banks. I do run them really low to get as big a footprint as possible though.
Al

[Bulletproof]

Minor correction to detail: Simex (Sime Export tyres) ETs are actually copies of Silverstones which were originally for the Malaysian conditions

.
Heard that once, pissed around a campfire, and i believed it then too. Makes sense really.
I run my tyres on 7" rims now after good advice from bulletproof, but I now need to be more careful with the body work as the tyres aren't keeping the truck off the banks. I do run them really low to get as big a footprint as possible though.
Al

Hi Al
Do you run wheel spacers ? I have 25mm ones on the hilux and it keeps the wheels out further to protect the body. Also improves the lock.

Richard

[albundy]

You read my mind Richard, I have been toying with the idea of late.

[Sadam_Husain]

You read my mind Richard, I have been toying with the idea of late.

Or you can get the centres flipped on your rims to increase your offset, paid $30 each to have mine done

[albundy]

Or you can get the centres flipped on your rims to increase your offset, paid $30 each to have mine done

Been thinking about that too, which is probably the more legal of the two.
Al

[SMOKEY]

Al and Legal used together I don't think so But hang on that puts the tyres out past the body ,

THATS BETTER NOW IT'S ILLEGAL,

FITZY

[zookfest]

get 37 goodyear wranglers they cheaper and bag way better i ran them before my tsl swampers and they were fine in the river bed and alot more smoother

[flexy]

yea i run 37inch wranglers and they are sweet only problem i find is that when your in the mud you have to get them really spinning to get much traction