Winch mounting-the right way

[Sadam_Husain]

How often would you use more than 8000lb pulling capacity?
It seems in many situations a little digging can save a lot of strain.

The 10000 and 12000 lb winches are lower geared to get the higher pull rateing and are better suited for pulling heavier trucks. I can get my 8000 lb 8274 down to stall easy enough. But like you say, a smart approach is to look at the whole problem and if a quick dig is going to reduce the strain and load on the winch its worth a few minutes to do it

[hosehustler]

In a moddified truck..Whitcombe Rd was a doddle (unless you look for the deep holes... which sometimes we did ), all 3 times I have been there winches weren't used
I'm with BP, the higher and further back you mount a winch and the more visiable the better, the more winching done the quicker you work it out,
Oh and last year at the coast we had a truck attend with a superwinch mounted inside a TJM bumber (ARB style) and thats the last time it was used, because it's stuffed, it bunched up big time and smashed all the casing that ties a low mount winch together
have to say they do *look* nice all tidied away where you cant service them

[Bulletproof]

When a person buys a new winch they usually come with 130-150 ft of rope .MILES TOO MUCH

The first thing to do is cut 15-16 metres off and have eyes put in the end to use as an extension if needed, which is very rare.
Most winching is done on 10-15 metres.

The advantage of this is you are pulling on the lower layers of the winch. A winch very roughly loses 1000lbs of pull per layer so pulling on the lower layers makes a winch alot quicker, uses a lot less amps making the battery last longer, and it can build up wire on one end of drum for longer.

Cheer Richard

[coxsy]

hey bulletproof like that last idea ,

[Bulletproof]

How often would you use more than 8000lb pulling capacity?
It seems in many situations a little digging can save a lot of strain.

Quite often . I use a winch at least 50 times a year and at times we use not one pulley block but 2 which gives us a pulling power of around 28,000 lbs with my 9500 ti warn.

My winch bar is 900mm above the ground so we are moving A LOT OF DIRT

It would take more than a little digging here.



Richard

[haynzy]

How often would you use more than 8000lb pulling capacity?
It seems in many situations a little digging can save a lot of strain.

Quite often . I use a winch at least 50 times a year and at times we use not one pulley block but 2 which gives us a pulling power of around 28,000 lbs with my 9500 ti warn.

My winch bar is 900mm above the ground so we are moving A LOT OF DIRT



Richard

your winch although rated to 9500, would be pulling much less as the drain on the power source takes over maxing out at over 400 amps, even the best dual battery set up cant sustain that amperage for long

[hosehustler]

I remember that trip Richard, Moa bones a few xmas's ago
your old winch went real good

[Bulletproof]

This the way Paul Delis has just mounted his new 9500ti warn.

Can see the wire and watch what is happening
Good approach angle
Reasonable height making it accessable in bog



Notice the tow hooks as well
Even though the 35s are well in , the winch still above the shit




Cheers Richard

[furnace]

In a moddified truck..Whitcombe Rd was a doddle (unless you look for the deep holes... which sometimes we did ), all 3 times I have been there winches weren't used
I'm with BP, the higher and further back you mount a winch and the more visiable the better, the more winching done the quicker you work it out,
Oh and last year at the coast we had a truck attend with a superwinch mounted inside a TJM bumber (ARB style) and thats the last time it was used, because it's stuffed, it bunched up big time and smashed all the casing that ties a low mount winch together
have to say they do *look* nice all tidied away where you cant service them

Try it in the wet and snow etc you can't go round the holes and the bogs were up to the top of the bonnet,great fun i must admit ,maybe in the really dry..THIS IS AS TRACK YOU SHOULD NOT TAKE LIGHTLY ,i have been stuck up there for 6 hours ,very easy to get caught out..I have also been through 3 times 2 of them in winter [ beginning of may ] and have winched 2 of them ...maybe your truck a lot more modefied than mine
Still never had any problems with winching, [ i would use mine 20 times a year ] or servicing, [ not sure what you on about there ] i service mine every year ..i would admit though if i was doing winch challenges etc i would sooner have winch out in the open

[cool__bananas]

a winch can be easily set up rear/,mid mount with the cabble running allong the chassis, my old zuki had it in the back with the winch inside the car and the cable goes through the floor some how, is its at the back it gives you a heaps better aproach angle, take the weight off the front and evens it out to the back, doesnt get covered in shit so the winch gearbox and motor like it more. heres how my one went
the winch is out because i didnt always need it so there was no point in carrying the extra weight

the chassis had a huge peice of box section to make sure it didnt crush, but depending on where your mounting it you could mont it straight

[darinz]

Standard electric winch mount dimesions are 254mm by 114.3mm. This suits all Warn winches from 8000 to 16500lbs. It is the mount pattern on ARB and TJM bars. Superwinch, Come-Up etc etc use this as well.

In my opinion 30m is just not enough rope, as often the best winching point is just that little bit further away. (I have about 90m of rope on my winch) Sure you can use an extension but having the rope available in much simplier (and also causes other problems). The biggest problem with a front mount winch is even small amounts of rope can bunch and cause big problems. I have seen too many winches broken by rope bunching in one place.

In general I have to agree with what has been said here about mounting the winch as high as possible but you also want the fairlead as low as possible as you will then get some lift when winching. So by doing this it also gives a better approach angle as this will mean the winch is angled.
What I would do is work out the approach angle and this is the angle you mount the winch on. This will make the winch higher and the fairlead lower (and also increase the approach angle) which will make the drum more visible, keep the winch out of the shite and keep the fairlead as low as possible and so provide some lift during winching.

[Quadstyle]

sure its easy enough remounting a electric winch but a PTO? has anyone got close up photos of there re-mounted PTO winch?

[Sadam_Husain]

sure its easy enough remounting a electric winch but a PTO? has anyone got close up photos of there re-mounted PTO winch?

Jerrys mate from ccvc in Wellington

http://forum.ih8mud.com/40-55-series-te ... winch.html

[skid]

Jerrys mate from ccvc in Wellington

http://forum.ih8mud.com/40-55-series-te ... winch.html

RIP

http://go4wd.co.nz/gallery/TheWinch

[rokhound]

How successful was that setup Skid? did he have any issues with cable not laying on right? I'm guessing he wouldn't because it is always laying on in a straight line.
I believe that to be the ultimate way to permanently mount a winch. You can pull forwards and backwards with out moving it. Only way it could be improved upon is to have it mounted on top of the tray, instead of underneath. (for electric any way)

[albundy]

How often would you use more than 8000lb pulling capacity?
It seems in many situations a little digging can save a lot of strain.

heaps when you are driving big heavt toyotas and Nissans. have you ever done the Chasm behind Ikamatua. You have to winch up a near vertical bank.
About to mount my new winch this weekend, 10,000lber. Bolt holes are exactly the same as my old ward 8000lber. Winch is enclosed behind the bar, able to see wire winding on when winching.
Al

[KiwiBacon]

How often would you use more than 8000lb pulling capacity?
It seems in many situations a little digging can save a lot of strain.

heaps when you are driving big heavt toyotas and Nissans. have you ever done the Chasm behind Ikamatua. You have to winch up a near vertical bank.
About to mount my new winch this weekend, 10,000lber. Bolt holes are exactly the same as my old ward 8000lber. Winch is enclosed behind the bar, able to see wire winding on when winching.
Al

Even winching a loaded cruiser (3 ton) up a vertical bank, that's only around 6500lb, another 1500lb (700kg) for drag and that's still only 8000lb.

Does it take 8000lb of pull to stall an 8000lb winch? I'm gessing with more rope on the drum and batteries off peak you could be down to half that quite often.

[Jafa]

How often would you use more than 8000lb pulling capacity?
It seems in many situations a little digging can save a lot of strain.

heaps when you are driving big heavt toyotas and Nissans. have you ever done the Chasm behind Ikamatua. You have to winch up a near vertical bank.
About to mount my new winch this weekend, 10,000lber. Bolt holes are exactly the same as my old ward 8000lber. Winch is enclosed behind the bar, able to see wire winding on when winching.
Al

Even winching a loaded cruiser (3 ton) up a vertical bank, that's only around 6500lb, another 1500lb (700kg) for drag and that's still only 8000lb.

Does it take 8000lb of pull to stall an 8000lb winch? I'm gessing with more rope on the drum and batteries off peak you could be down to half that quite often.

the winch rating is generally on the first layer of cable, so any more rope on, and the power goes down, ie a Milemarker hydro I have is rated at 12000lb on the first layer, and 9400 on the second, 8200 on the 3rd, and 7000 on the 4th, so you can see the power goes down quite dramatically. Pulling up a vertical bank is actually on of the easiest things for it to do, I've popped the relief valve on mine, when it was in a Zook, on the second layer, with the vehicle bogged up to the sliders.
The drag from mud up to your chassis is phenomenal.You can never have too much winch.

[albundy]

Thanks Jafa

[haynzy]

the winch rating is generally on the first layer of cable, so any more rope on, and the power goes down, ie a Milemarker hydro I have is rated at 12000lb on the first layer, and 9400 on the second, 8200 on the 3rd, and 7000 on the 4th, so you can see the power goes down quite dramatically. Pulling up a vertical bank is actually on of the easiest things for it to do, I've popped the relief valve on mine, when it was in a Zook, on the second layer, with the vehicle bogged up to the sliders.
The drag from mud up to your chassis is phenomenal.You can never have too much winch.

so how do ya reakon this would go on the lux

http://www.trademe.co.nz/Business-farmi ... 438361.htm

[skid]

How successful was that setup Skid? did he have any issues with cable not laying on right? I'm guessing he wouldn't because it is always laying on in a straight line.
I believe that to be the ultimate way to permanently mount a winch. You can pull forwards and backwards with out moving it. Only way it could be improved upon is to have it mounted on top of the tray, instead of underneath. (for electric any way)

To be honest Rock, I never really knew the guy, and he passed away a few weeks ago.
The truck was on TM for a while, so you could buy it and join the 40 crew

otherwise if ya really want to know how a mid mounted winch goes,

Mate of mine in Taupo, Klem (TeLexs), has a mid mounted PTO in his winch truck. It works well and run plasma thru stainless tube to the front of the truck.

If ya need to know more about it, he would happily tell ya, so you could PM him or ring him at Performance Mechanical & Engineering in Taupo, 07-3765982

cheers

SKID

[wopass]

You can never have too much winch.

AHMEN TO THAT!!

[darinz]

Most comp guys are going mid mount for the obvious advantages. Mines been midmounted since the beginning of 2006. I've shifted it 2 with different rebuilds etc but the basic concept is the same.
I have only ever needed guides where the rope turns a corner and don't like the tube the full length some have. It is a personal thing as some do it and some don't. ie no right or wrong way just different depending on truck layout.

Anyone who thinks a standard 8000lb winch is big enough for a LC or Patrol (or any 4x4 for that matter) has never really used one in anger! It is not the wieght of the truck that is the problem, it is over coming the force of the mud, gravity etc all combined that really causes the issues. I've seen an 8000lb winch struggle to pull a truck downhill through a bog!

But after saying that the biggest mistake most people make when selecting a winch is thinking it is the winch that gives the power. Wrong, it is the charging system, batteries and cables that provide the performance. To make mine work effectively it has standalone charging system, seperate batteries etc. Now mine is probably close to optimum for an electric winch and a little over kill for the average person but some things can be copied.
You need a big starting battery (or 2), bigger battery cable, (95mm welding cable is the best) and a bigger alternator. Then the winch will actually perform as designed.

I will say that an 8000lb winch will never single line a 3 ton truck up a vertical bank. I've done it in a 2.2 ton truck with an 8000lb winch uprated with bigger motor etc (at the 2005 Kiwi Challenge) and even then in a race we double lined it and it was still a big effort. The rating of a winch is a joke. Even a 9500lb winch on first layer will stall before it pulls 9500lb. It isn't like they are ISO rated or anything like that. So forget maths when spec'ing a winch and ask those who have been there and done that.

[haynzy]

Most comp guys are going mid mount for the obvious advantages. Mines been midmounted since the beginning of 2006. I've shifted it 2 with different rebuilds etc but the basic concept is the same.
I have only ever needed guides where the rope turns a corner and don't like the tube the full length some have. It is a personal thing as some do it and some don't. ie no right or wrong way just different depending on truck layout.

Anyone who thinks a standard 8000lb winch is big enough for a LC or Patrol (or any 4x4 for that matter) has never really used one in anger! It is not the wieght of the truck that is the problem, it is over coming the force of the mud, gravity etc all combined that really causes the issues. I've seen an 8000lb winch struggle to pull a truck downhill through a bog!

But after saying that the biggest mistake most people make when selecting a winch is thinking it is the winch that gives the power. Wrong, it is the charging system, batteries and cables that provide the performance. To make mine work effectively it has standalone charging system, seperate batteries etc. Now mine is probably close to optimum for an electric winch and a little over kill for the average person but some things can be copied.
You need a big starting battery (or 2), bigger battery cable, (95mm welding cable is the best) and a bigger alternator. Then the winch will actually perform as designed.

I will say that an 8000lb winch will never single line a 3 ton truck up a vertical bank. I've done it in a 2.2 ton truck with an 8000lb winch uprated with bigger motor etc (at the 2005 Kiwi Challenge) and even then in a race we double lined it and it was still a big effort. The rating of a winch is a joke. Even a 9500lb winch on first layer will stall before it pulls 9500lb. It isn't like they are ISO rated or anything like that. So forget maths when spec'ing a winch and ask those who have been there and done that.

So from your experience, I wish to start club class winch comps and will prob use one of those new runva winches powered by 2 1000cca optima redtops pulling a hilux that would weigh 1800kgs on a fat day, would this combination work given I dont wanna be competitive but just finnish and say I can do it?

[darinz]

What size? 9000 or bigger? If so then as long as you fit bigger cables and through the supplied ones away and then strip it all down and ensure all contections inside the motor are good. Then yes it'll be fine. The big killer with the cheaper winch isn't the spec it is the quality of finish so put some time into that and they seem to be fine.
The supplied cabled will be too small and get hot causing power drop and therefore a melted motor! They will be OK for the occasional winch but not a comp where you will work it a fair bit.
That an a lot of maintenence. Mine gets completely stripped ie gearbox apart, motor apart, after every comp. That's probably why it is the only thing on my truck that always works

My truck is only 2000kg (ish) and it has 15.6hp powering the winch and sometimes that slows down.