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To start with, here's a bit of back ground :D

Every body remebers The 50??

Thats still in the shed, driven on Sundays, when the weather is good. Yeah right, last time i had that out, I ended up Thomsons, going tough truck style up Mt Elisa in the pooring rain, stoved the front diff head into the crown wheel, bent the windscreen frame, bent a few more bits, winched it on its side against a bank up hill for about 200m, you get the picture :lol: That truck is awesome. Its the power to weight thing. Its marginal on the power with 530cc of two stroke goodness, but it weights nothing. Also, the wheel track is so narrow, it doesn't fit in the ruts, so its very rare it runs out of ground clearence. Who needs 40"s???

Thunderguts on the other hand, its wide, got fawk loads of power, and its fawkin heavy. Makes for fun combination when its slippery and wet. Draw backs are, when it is wet and slippery, it tends to go where it wants to, being wide, it means you are stuck driving in the ruts, which means you gotta have bigger tyres than everybody else :lol: :lol: Also got sick of dragging it's 2000kg ass round the country :lol: :lol: :lol:

Also, having been to a few winch challenges recently, and spending all weekend watching 2500kg plus trucks dissappear up to the windows at the first sign of mud got me thinking.........

First off, i thought about The 50, i have all the bit's to make it quite a bit better than it currently is, stronger axles, several engines to use for a rebuild, tripple carbs and expansion chambers etc etc. One day i might get off my arse and do it :lol: :lol:

Some how or other i ended up with this:

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Its done a couple of seaons running A Class, so was getting a bit scruffy, and in need of some minor mechanical TLC.

Thought i would get the panel work done first:

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Made some doors too. 4mm alloy.
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Apparently it had some cooling issues, wonder if this could be something to do with it??

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So the plan??

Well, i want to see if I can keep it Nat Trials A Class legal, Winch Challenge Clubclass legal, and bush tough.

Basically, that means having a windscreen, doors, roof, cargo barrier, lockers and winch that are removeable or able to be disabled .

I picked up a convertable windscreen frame and windscreen, so thats sorted. Easy to remove for Nat's. Doors and roof and cargo barrier can stay on.

I'm day dreaming about attaching my Warn 8274 to the front of it, but it's a whole lot of winch to try and hang off the front of a zook and keep the approach angle good, and doesn't do much for the weight distribution. Its about 50kg, so looking to maybe mid mount it, but don't like the dramas it ceates when something goes wrong with the rope.

Might have to run airlockers, that way i can disable them easily to run A Class. Very tempted to give the Chinese 1's a go, because i haven't heard any first hand stories about them yet, and somebody's gotta give em a go eh???

Oh, and every trucks gotta have a name.

There's :

Wopass
Bulletproof
Thunderguts
Mudslutt

So to keep with the slightly cheesey theme, im gonna name it:

"WEAPON"
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Looking good dude. So you didn't want to paint it Ginga in remembrance of its last owner? :lol: The green looks real good (metallic flake in there?) - nice work.

I'm sure your going to have a heap of fun in this wagon.
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Could even get john deere to sponsor you :P :P
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so you want that alloy rad then :D
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MNC wrote:Looking good dude. So you didn't want to paint it Ginga in remembrance of its last owner? :lol: The green looks real good (metallic flake in there?) - nice work.

I'm sure your going to have a heap of fun in this wagon.


We had a look on the computer in the paint bay, Ginga wasn't listed, but Copper was :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Its a Nissan colour called yellow green, and its got a fair bit of pearl in it, so looks quite special in the sun light.

It looks a bit funny at the moment, but once the rest of its back together, i reckon the colours will work together better.
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DieselBoy wrote:We had a look on the computer in the paint bay, Ginga wasn't listed, but Copper was :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:


:lol: Classic - you actually looked it up :lol:
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I'm sure someone else calls thier truck WEAPON

maybe SKIPPY, the kangaroo would be better

you sure you're not austraaaaaalian :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Arent the yarpies (S. boks) green and yellow also?
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Shit you work fast :mrgreen:
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COOOOOOL
mate had ones of those years ago down home and saw one in chch the other day
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flyingbrick wrote:Shit you work fast :mrgreen:


I was thinking the same thing. make the rest of us look like slow pokes.

No 10' back yard spray job this time . Looks good.
So who is driving ? You or Satilite? :roll:
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if you can call your weapon .. can i call mine norris ? after chuck :D
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To make the winch work, you need to mount it at the very back of the 'truck' as otherwise the distance to the first guide is not enough for the rope to lay on the drum correctly.

So does this mean we should abrivieate you're name to JD instead of DB????
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darinz wrote:To make the winch work, you need to mount it at the very back of the 'truck' as otherwise the distance to the first guide is not enough for the rope to lay on the drum correctly.

So does this mean we should abrivieate you're name to JD instead of DB????


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darinz wrote:To make the winch work, you need to mount it at the very back of the 'truck' as otherwise the distance to the first guide is not enough for the rope to lay on the drum correctly.

So does this mean we should abrivieate you're name to JD instead of DB????


Or ITM :lol: :lol:

Your just the man for mid mounting info.

Whats your opinion on the best material to use as the guides to run the rope through??

I have seen someone use exhaust tube :lol:

I imagine stainless would be the best option???

What do you do on the end's of the guides?? Do people flare them or just remove the sharp edges??

Lastly, do you think that it is better to have a continuous guide tube to run the rope through, or just have guides at the points where the rope changes direction underneath??

I can see pro's and con's for each. Continuous tube guide means more friction on the rope, but less chance of damaging the rope directly, but there is a chance of squashing the tube, and if the rope breaks, it should make threading the rope back through easier rather than having to manually feed it through each guide with the truck burried up to the doors.

The individual guides would make for less friction, easier cleaning, less weight, and less expense.

I have very little room under there with the 4A and K40 box, so tube guide's are the go over pully/roller guides i think.

Anyone's thoughts on this are welcome :D :D
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i vote for individual guides
i can imagine you out ther with a bottle brush tring to clean the inside of the tube after every event :D

+ if the rop did grab a stick etc it has the potential to pull it up the tube and block it jamming everything up ... dunno if that would actually happen in real life but just a thought
im looking to mid mount mine as well in the VERY (probably next week) near future .. so keen to sponge the shit from any idea's ... also means if we go the same way pete ill just make double the guides so we both have a set ....go cnc :D
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vvega wrote:i vote for individual guides
i can imagine you out ther with a bottle brush tring to clean the inside of the tube after every event :D

+ if the rop did grab a stick etc it has the potential to pull it up the tube and block it jamming everything up ... dunno if that would actually happen in real life but just a thought
im looking to mid mount mine as well in the VERY (probably next week) near future .. so keen to sponge the shit from any idea's ... also means if we go the same way pete ill just make double the guides so we both have a set ....go cnc :D


True that, go the CNC!!!!!!!
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Well if you are making a guide for the front of the truck, why not make three, you know, just for practice. And to save it cluttering your garage I'll take it out of your way.

Looks mean DB (and Satalite cause you must a helped)

Im doing a tube guide to get past hot and moving things, and then a couple of stainless rings to get the rest of the way back to the winch. No idea if it will work. At the current rate of progress you will have raced your truck for a year before mine leaves the garage. So I'll ask you how yours goes.
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Originally I set mine up with the fairlead at the front and one guide. The winch sat at the back on top of the spring platformand the single guide worked really well.

Next I shifted it back further and lower down and still used one guide. Very similar in design.

I currently have it at the back and have a piece of tube in an'S' shape to get the rope from the middle to by the chassis rail. BUT it is basically running free.

I think that the less tube you can get away with the better. I find that the tube fills up with mud and the rope is wearing faster accordingly.

So I'd say use as few guides as you can and as little tube as you can so try and make the rope run as straight as possible.

At the end of any tube you need to flare it a bit.

For guides, I have normally just used steel or ali. It doesn't really matter but it wants to be hard. Ali will get grooves worn in it quite quickly. SS is probably the ultimate but have never felt the need myself. I've used ali has I have the tools to machine it myself. (read woodworking tools)

The biggest thing to making it work correctly is to have the first guide about 1 meter away from the drum. With my wide drum I have the first guide 1.5m away and that is only just far enough!
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Could mount the winch on an angle so it is square to the first guide.
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Heath wrote:Could mount the winch on an angle so it is square to the first guide.



hahha that was my plan :D
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Hi DB, Interesting project! I'm looking forward to see you guys kick some Nissan butt!

FYI - We run our winch right in behind the cab on the passenger side and the rope runs straight from the fairlead at the front to the drum with no guides in-between (i'm guessing that's about 2.5-3m). The rope always feeds on perfect with only a little bit of load on it (i.e. letting it lightly slip through your hands).

The only real problem we've had was having the rope jump over the side of the drum and split the drum from the gearbox which was caused by a log that got stuck up underneath while the rope was floating in the water. We've since put a fairlead right at the front of the drum that is just slightly narrower than the drum width to prevent this from happening.

Our other blunder is that our front fairlead has quite a small inner diamater and is about 300-350mm ish long (im guessing). Because it sits down lower than the start of the skid plate (look at the photos, you'll see what I mean) it's the first thing to digg into the bank and hence can get jammed up with hard clay. We've learnt to clean it out after every stage while competing and it hasn't caused any issues since, but if it was above the start of the skid plate, and maybe two skinny fairleads rather than one long one - we probably wouldn't have had that issue to deal with to begin with.

But other than that it's worked brilliantly and has so many advantages over a front-mount winch.

Heath wrote:Could mount the winch on an angle so it is square to the first guide.


Yep, you definitely want the drum to be square with the first guide otherwise the rope will stack up to one side. Fluffy has mounted his winch at quite an angle in the rear of his FJ which was no-doubt for this very reason.
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To get my 8274 rear mounted in my SJ413 I have the winch as far back as I can get it on the slightl shorterned chassis. The rope runs through a tube that starts beside the trans tunnel where the floor steps up to the rear floor (just behind the seats) The tube runs along the trans tunnel the away from it to go throug the fire wall so the rope runs along (just above) the passenger chassis rail and through a fairlead in the front bar. It is clear of tube between the fairlead and fire wall. Yes the tube is in the passenger side interior. There is no room under the floor with Hilux transfer, extractors etc

There is only 750mm between therear of the tube and the winch drum which is lookig to be really marginal. For the ends of the tube I used ernite (or somethig like that, its harder the UHMWPE)

Will post pics at some point over the weekend.
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Forget that 8274.........

Go hydraulic!!! :mrgreen:


Come on, you know you wanna! :wink:
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http://www.smithiengineering.com.au/product1.html

forget warn hi mount, the latest and greatest from gigglepin, offering +40%gearing, forget hydraulic, this will cost the same as a sweet hydraulic setup though
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Madaz wrote:Forget that 8274.........

Go hydraulic!!! :mrgreen:


Come on, you know you wanna! :wink:


:lol: :lol: Would be rad!!!!! The weight of the winch would probably weigh the same as the truck though :lol: :lol: :lol:
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The winch can be on any angle. The first mid mount I did had it quite angled to the chassis but the guide MUST be centred to the drum!

I'm selling my little 8274 if anyone needs one for a truck. Complete with batteries, alternator solenoids, motors freespool etc etc. A bit dearer than a standard winch but performs a wee bit better. It has also had hardly any use lately!!!!!!!!!!! :evil:
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meatc wrote:To get my 8274 rear mounted in my SJ413 I have the winch as far back as I can get it on the slightl shorterned chassis. The rope runs through a tube that starts beside the trans tunnel where the floor steps up to the rear floor (just behind the seats) The tube runs along the trans tunnel the away from it to go throug the fire wall so the rope runs along (just above) the passenger chassis rail and through a fairlead in the front bar. It is clear of tube between the fairlead and fire wall. Yes the tube is in the passenger side interior. There is no room under the floor with Hilux transfer, extractors etc

There is only 750mm between therear of the tube and the winch drum which is lookig to be really marginal. For the ends of the tube I used ernite (or somethig like that, its harder the UHMWPE)



Will post pics at some point over the weekend.


Post up the pic's, sounds like a cunning system!!!!
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Thought i had better do a quick up date.

The main thing on the go at the moment is trying to improve the cooling system. It was barely adequate for the short run's it got during a trials event, let alone grinding up a hill in the summer with a radiator half full of mud :lol:

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So naturally, i dropped the coolent and wipped the radiator out, which is currently away getting a heavy duty monster core fitted, complete with thermo switch. Looked at aftermarket alloy, but they are crap i decided.

Nasty looking coolent:

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A good flush of the block is in order :mrgreen:

I also noted it apeared it might not have a thermostat in it, so went investigating. Old on the left:

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I got to far ahead of the camera, so will grab a better photo of the new godzilla monster 12" BMW fan i squeezed into the tiny space behind the grill next time its apart, which will no doubt be when the rad's back knowing my luck :lol: I'm hoping the rad will bolt straight back in, but with the monster core, it probably won't :roll: :roll:

Couple of fan pic's, you get the idea:

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Its reeeealy tight in there, i jacked the front panel out about 30mm, and did some minor panel surgery, and massaged the back of the grill slightly, but it's in, and it doesn't rub, and move's some serious air!!!!!

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Also while the front end was out, i noticed it made access to oilpresure sender easy, so i took the opportunity to slap a mechanical oil pressure gauge in. ( i prefer mechanical gauges :wink: ) Also a volt gauge in there to. Its cool how a 2" gauge fits into the suzuki airvents :lol: :lol:

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I had also be playing with the idea of adding some padding to the rear corner's, as they were full of bog when i got it, and now they are only slightly better :lol:
Don't ask me why, i hadn't intended to, but for some reason at 10:30pm last night i found myself hacking up a piece of 3mm chequer plate in the freezing cold, and buy about 12:00 i had myself a couple of rear corner strengthening thingy's. Random how you just get all carried away and before you know it you've done a job on the "maybe one day soon" list when you had a shit load of far more important work that needed doing :lol: I was only sposed to be going out to the shed to turn the lights off :wink: :wink:

Finished them off tonight:

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Chucked some edging round the doors too. Man the router left some sharp edges!!!!

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Got these to slap under there at some stage this week aswell :twisted: :twisted:

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Lookin sweet Pete, :lol: at Sez's poser shot, or was it zook posing? :lol:
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