National Winch Challenge

[darinz]

OK boys and girls the time has come to see who really is the best!
Coming up in November we have the first National Winch Challenge, being held in Taupo.
Next year we have the second one being held in Marlborough on Queens Birthday Weekend.

The basic plan is the best of the 4x4 Challenges north island series will take on the best of the Mainland south island series and if there are any Ockers keen enough we will add the west island as well.

We are still working on the final rules as there are some slight differences but one thing that is confirmed is that if you qualify for your islands series then your truck qualifies for the national wc.

So it is time to see who can walk the walk and who just talks the talk!

There will be more available soon so watch http://www.4x4challenges.org.nz/ for more info as it comes to hand.

[smiddy]

cool, sounds like the series is progressing. How can we find out if we qualify for the final competition or not? eg top 5/10 from the years competitions?? points??
on another note, how do the organisers of the events qualify if they didnt compete in a competition due to organising etc? just thinking bout yourself darin, and steve who organised norwest c/c?

[darinz]

I have posted the current standing on 4x4 challenges website.
There is also a note there because we have to finalise the issue of guys standing down to run events. Like you said we need to ensure the guys that do it aren't penalised. And also we need to dscide whether someone should get full points if they don't finish an event?
It will be discussed at the next meeting on the 28th June.

This will also be the AGM so this is where we need all of the members to come along get involved. And if you aren't a member then you will have no say in how we develop the series and how th rules are modified/maintained.
That may sound hard but it only costs $6 per year and a $20 joining fee so it is a very small cost. Membership is open to anyone.
To ensure we keep progressing in the right direction we need more people to have their say at the meetings. We think we are doing the right thing as the events are getting bigger and we are having more but without participation that could be complete luck and could fall over next year!
Like the others on the comittee, we have one goal and that is there to be more events and more guys competing. We think the best way for this to happen is a true series with consistent rules and events run to a similar basic plan.

[Rocktruck]

Darren,

I assume you are working with someone from Mainland Winch Challenges regarding the national ( international??) winch challenge.

Can you please enlighten me who this is so I can have a chat to them about how the south will decide who is going to represent us.

Also I am interested in how you are getting on with the rules as we don't run log books etc. in the south. This may also affect who we can send up.

Cheers Scott Gorrie (secretary Mainland Winch Challenges Inc.) [color=#0000FF][/color]

[TeLexs]

The date has been set 13th of mo vember. This is also BLACK FRIDAY.
Challenge class Friday, club Saturday and finish Sunday lunch time.

Challenge Class
Three stages friday afternoon bring lights.
Two stages in close to town (people watching)
Eight stages 10 mins from town.
one night stage at location in town
Three to four stages Sunday
Prize giving Sunday afternoon

Club Class
Two stages in close to town (fans watching)
6 stages 10 mins from town.
Two Night stages at location in town
Three to four stages Sunday
Prize giving sunday afternoon.

There is accomodation for 130 people at the same location as the sat morning stages and has lots of parking and lock up for the winch trucks there is a bar and meals on site. Hot pools 1 min up road and town is 3 mins down road.There is a camping ground next door and is a top 10.

Will be open to questions on 0272126090 Klem

There are three sites being used for the comp
I will be trying to give you as much, In the seat time as possable, But at the end of the day its up to you to complet as many as you can.
There wont be much mud. you will still need your winch for all stages.

If you live and are in the south island winch comp, You are welcome to come up and have a go (free entry)I dont care if you the top dog or not please come and play with us it will be fun. BLACK FRIDAY.

Cheers Klem

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[gimmemud]

Sounds like a good event and heaps of spectator iinvolvement too which is
Hopefully be a driver in club class this time instead of spectating

[darinz]

Darren,

I assume you are working with someone from Mainland Winch Challenges regarding the national ( international??) winch challenge.

Can you please enlighten me who this is so I can have a chat to them about how the south will decide who is going to represent us.

Also I am interested in how you are getting on with the rules as we don't run log books etc. in the south. This may also affect who we can send up.

Cheers Scott Gorrie (secretary Mainland Winch Challenges Inc.) [color=#0000FF][/color]

Scott, do you want to give me a call and then we can make sure we have this all sorted? 09 438 7985 wk, 0275 330637 and 09436 1992 hm (no cell at home)

But basically, the decision was that if your truck qualifies for you series then it would qualify for the national event (to start with anyway). Ideally we will get to one set of rules for everyone but there are some differences that need to be solved. Why these differences are there is irrelevant now as getting rid of them is the only thing that we should dwell on. The vehicle specs are so close that getting them the same isn't a tough one but some of the comp rules have fundamental differences that really need addressing. Upon saying that, there appears to be some differences between how we set stages/events so the differences are explainable. Similar to why Oz vs NZ rules are different as well.
I think the main thing is getting some trucks from the SI up and then we can sit down together after doing the same event and have some discussion about what worked and what didn't work.

[wopass]

info pack and entry forms etc please

[smiddy]

klem, are we going to have to qualify for this event or is this going to be a open to all event??

[TeLexs]

Comp is open to one and all at this stage. Should have info packs ready for all at Rotorua. First in first serve.
Trying to keep comp under the $200 mark.
Havin good number of trucks will help and people watching.
Any one not going to Rotorua please call me and i will get a info pack out to you soon as i can .
If you know of any sponsors that might be keen to get on board please let me know asap. There should be good coverage and places for signs etc.

My email
performancemechanical@xtra.co.nz
work 073765982
cell 0272126090
Po box 2117
Taupo

[smiddy]

well done klem, seems to be coming along

[wopass]

will the club class have the same requirements as Northland WC? similar or totaly different?

cheers

[Rocktruck]

Hey Darren,

I will be in touch with you soon.

Cheers Scott

[TeLexs]

will the club class have the same requirements as Northland WC? similar or totaly different?

cheers

I have not had to much to do with club class at this stage so will put it back on you guys. what has work 4 you and what did not seam fair or right as a club comp.

Please there is no compromise on safety.

Cheers Klembo

[DieselBoy]

will the club class have the same requirements as Northland WC? similar or totaly different?

cheers

I have not had to much to do with club class at this stage so will put it back on you guys. what has work 4 you and what did not seam fair or right as a club comp.

Please there is no compromise on safety.

Cheers Klembo

The Clubclass rules this year have worked well, so keep them the same

The only rule that has had any negative impact on club class this year, is the wof and reg requirement at the RWC, that has seen heaps of us club class guy's leaving our trucks parked in the shed for that weekend.

So keep the rules the same as the other events, you will see heaps of club class competitors that way

[monstr]

Hi Klem ,At the Norwest we didnt require a WOF/Reg etc trucks just had to be up to wof standard re all safety ,brakes /steering /seat belt mounts etc worked well and we are doing the same next year we have added a min 4 point rollcage which will allow a bit on track setting as Pete said if you require the trucks to be road legal you end up excluding the very people we are trying to encourage into the sport...steve

[smiddy]

exactly steve, same can be said for the guys who want to compete in club class, but have a mixed body and chassis setup. Talking to one or 2 of those guys who do want to compete, but had built there truck before the club class was setup, they would love to do RWC 09 but cant, so would be nice to maybe see them at the national in club class?

[darinz]

All these thoughts and opinions on club class are great but saying them here isn't actually worth much. If you want it to mean something then come to the meeting next weekend put them on the table officially so we can get the club class in particular sorted out so all events are run the same.
We have a lot of ideas about how to structure the events to cater for both classes, keeping it tough enough for Challenge and yet still safe enough for the Club class but we need you guys involved to ensure we do what you want.
As long as people get of their arses then after next weekend we will have a true representation with comittee members from all the regions and from both classes. It is up to the different regions to vote in the person they want to look after their area.
What everyone needs to realise is that the guys running this sport can only do what they think everyone wants. If you don't stand up and be counted at the right time then the sport may go in a direction that you don't it to go.

[haynzy]

All these thoughts and opinions on club class are great but saying them here isn't actually worth much. If you want it to mean something then come to the meeting next weekend put them on the table officially so we can get the club class in particular sorted out so all events are run the same.
We have a lot of ideas about how to structure the events to cater for both classes, keeping it tough enough for Challenge and yet still safe enough for the Club class but we need you guys involved to ensure we do what you want.
As long as people get of their arses then after next weekend we will have a true representation with comittee members from all the regions and from both classes. It is up to the different regions to vote in the person they want to look after their area.
What everyone needs to realise is that the guys running this sport can only do what they think everyone wants. If you don't stand up and be counted at the right time then the sport may go in a direction that you don't it to go.

tis all good and well to say show up and have your say but a f$%ken long way to go for a 4wd meeting for some of us, not all potential competitors are from auckland

[darinz]

All these thoughts and opinions on club class are great but saying them here isn't actually worth much. If you want it to mean something then come to the meeting next weekend put them on the table officially so we can get the club class in particular sorted out so all events are run the same.
We have a lot of ideas about how to structure the events to cater for both classes, keeping it tough enough for Challenge and yet still safe enough for the Club class but we need you guys involved to ensure we do what you want.
As long as people get of their arses then after next weekend we will have a true representation with comittee members from all the regions and from both classes. It is up to the different regions to vote in the person they want to look after their area.
What everyone needs to realise is that the guys running this sport can only do what they think everyone wants. If you don't stand up and be counted at the right time then the sport may go in a direction that you don't it to go.

tis all good and well to say show up and have your say but a f$%ken long way to go for a 4wd meeting for some of us, not all potential competitors are from auckland

That is true, and a lot of us aren't from Auckland either but I travel from Whangarei and there are people coming from Rotorua and Taupo. Auckland is actually pretty central to where we race so that is why the meetings are held there.
If there is a serious group from further south then they should get together and send someone to represent themselves, and organising an event that everyone can come along to is a good idea as well.
If there are specific points that you guys think need covering and really can't be there then put something down in writing and send it too me direct. I can then put it to the meeting for discussion.

[haynzy]

That is true, and a lot of us aren't from Auckland either but I travel from Whangarei and there are people coming from Rotorua and Taupo. Auckland is actually pretty central to where we race so that is why the meetings are held there.
If there is a serious group from further south then they should get together and send someone to represent themselves, and organising an event that everyone can come along to is a good idea as well.
If there are specific points that you guys think need covering and really can't be there then put something down in writing and send it too me direct. I can then put it to the meeting for discussion.

From what I have seen you guys are getting it sorted and due to the distance and lack of competitior interest from my area I will leave ya to it, in saying that I would like to clarify wether a wof is needed for this comp, I still intend on entering but if its not needed then I can focus money and time on other things on the truck

[TeLexs]

I think it only fair that the comp started with out needing a WOF reg etc then we must finish that way. So bring it on Same set up as Nor west sounds like what you wont.
Cheers Klembo
Ps There will be some small things to keep in mind as to the location and soil type (no mud more hills)

[DieselBoy]

I think it only fair that the comp started with out needing a WOF reg etc then we must finish that way. So bring it on Same set up as Nor west sounds like what you wont.
Cheers Klembo
Ps There will be some small things to keep in mind as to the location and soil type (no mud more hills)

Awesome to hear!!!!!

[muddy]

Planning and track cutting is well underway for the NZ National Winch Challenge 2010
Hosted by Marlborough and Nelson 4WD Clubs
Queens Birthday Weekend 2010 (4-7 June)
• Friday 4th – Scrutineering and 4 night stages
• Saturday 5th – 6 day stages near Blenheim
• Sunday 6th – 6 day stages near Lake Rotoiti (Spectator Day)
• Monday 7th – 6 day stages near Blenheim
Stages are planned with up to 1 hr DNF time, and most will require multiple winches. This will be more of an endurance event than a sprint race!
Open and Clubman Classes. Rules under discussion for agreement by 4X4 Challenges and Mainland Challenges. We will probably require 6-point roll cages for Open Class, and 4-point (single hoop) for Clubman.
We will also run an Outlaw Class for trucks without WOF/Rego.
All stages are on private property.
Personally I also like the proposal for dropping the worst stage for scoring. We certainly want feedback from the Taupo event for our planning!
Subject to sponsorship, coverage by 4WD TV is planned.

[monstr]

Hi Muddy,Sounds like its going to be a bloody awsome comp ,a couple of dumb questions for you ,are we camping on site or are there motels near by ,also does any of the comp sites have an air strip that can be used ..Cheers

[muddy]

Hi Muddy,Sounds like its going to be a bloody awsome comp ,a couple of dumb questions for you ,are we camping on site or are there motels near by ,also does any of the comp sites have an air strip that can be used ..Cheers

No camping facilities on site. The prizegiving function will be at the "Clubs of Marlborough" Function Centre. Nearest hotel (and previous Winch Challenge sponsor - hopefully again this time) is the Copthorne Hotel for those with bigger budgets. The main venue is about 20km from Blenheim on the road to Nelson. The closest DOC camping ground is at Onamalutu, about 30min drive away. Slightly further would be Whites Bay or Pelorus Bridge. Or proper Camping Grounds in Blenheim or Havelock. Lots of Motels around - closest to the main competition site would be Renwick, but scrutineering and prizegiving will be Blenheim. There will also be a fair bit of travel on the Saturday (about 1hr 20min) to and from the Nelson Club Venue near Lake Rotoiti while the Blenheim marshals have a busy day re-setting the local stages for Monday.

Public airstrips at Omaka and Woodbourne, private strips at Havelock, and at Lake Station near Lake Rotoiti, but all of them are 20 mins drive from the Winch Challenge venues. You could take a helicopter to the Lake Rotoiti venue, but would not be welcome at the Blenheim one as it's held on a deer farm...

For those who have been to the previous "Top of the South" Challenges, in some cases we are combining 2 or 3 of those stages into longer stages, we are significantly extending other stages, and cutting a few completely new ones. The one thing that won't change is that terrain will include rocky creek beds, steep clay banks, loose shingle, lots of water, mud, and bottomless bog holes. They will not be high-speed stages. We want the competition to be won by good driving and teamwork, rather than just horsepower. So get your winch-men out training - they will be very tired boys by the end of the weekend!

[Jafa]

Anywhere I can get the Outlaw rules/requirements?

[muddy]

Anywhere I can get the Outlaw rules/requirements?

Officially - you'll have to wait for a formal set of rules to be agreed - but the class was introduced to allow trials buggies to fit a winch and compete, or for trucks not yet certified to still enter an event without meeting meeting the Open Class rules. Basically, max tyre size 36.5in, 6 point roll cage, and satisfy the scrutineer it is safe. Other than that, it's pretty much anything goes...

[Jafa]

Anywhere I can get the Outlaw rules/requirements?

Officially - you'll have to wait for a formal set of rules to be agreed - but the class was introduced to allow trials buggies to fit a winch and compete, or for trucks not yet certified to still enter an event without meeting meeting the Open Class rules. Basically, max tyre size 36.5in, 6 point roll cage, and satisfy the scrutineer it is safe. Other than that, it's pretty much anything goes...

Cool,radiator on the back ok then

[TeLexs]

Hi all
I am still sorting the finer details with the land owners and should have some info for Rotarua.
I have been asked by 4x4 Challenge to allow some time on the Sunday at 1pm for a Challenge Meeting. This will be on the site at the Spa Hotel. (Before the prize giving.) This would be a good opportunity to air your views while fresh in your head and If some of the South Isand trucks come up to get them more involved. (If they like)

There wont be any points if you go or not.

We will put it to the Challenge guys at Rotorua and then post it on the 4x4challenge site.
Cheers Klembo

The date has been set 13th of mo vember. This is also BLACK FRIDAY.
Challenge class Friday, club Saturday and finish Sunday lunch time.

Challenge Class
Three stages friday afternoon bring lights.
Two stages in close to town (people watching)
Eight stages 10 mins from town.
one night stage at location in town
Three to four stages Sunday
Prize giving Sunday afternoon

Club Class
Two stages in close to town (fans watching)
6 stages 10 mins from town.
Two Night stages at location in town
Three to four stages Sunday
Prize giving sunday afternoon.

There is accomodation for 130 people at the same location as the sat morning stages and has lots of parking and lock up for the winch trucks there is a bar and meals on site. Hot pools 1 min up road and town is 3 mins down road.There is a camping ground next door and is a top 10.

Will be open to questions on 0272126090 Klem

There are three sites being used for the comp
I will be trying to give you as much, In the seat time as possable, But at the end of the day its up to you to complet as many as you can.
There wont be much mud. you will still need your winch for all stages.

If you live and are in the south island winch comp, You are welcome to come up and have a go (free entry)I dont care if you the top dog or not please come and play with us it will be fun. BLACK FRIDAY.

Cheers Klem

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