New Project-maybe

[suzookyman]

thinking of a change of direction away from the escudo
and back to where my zook addiction started,with a sj410
( 6 suzukis ago ) .Havnt really done hard out mods before
so any input would be greatly appreciated.
Thinking about a 410 with 16v escudo,413 box.410 trans and
hilux diffs.
Questions i have,
what model hilux diffs am i after,
what springs and does the 413 gearbox fit the 410 mounts easily?
this this all just an idea at the mo
cheers Al

[new2zukes]

well where can you start get some 4.88 hilux diffs solid axles dont see why the 413 box wont fit straight into the 410 mounts.ive just left my springs standard zuke ones and i have hilux diffs i just took 2 leaves out of the back as they were way too stiff for the weight of the truck. id get injected motor as carbys can be a little anoying. anyways if you want to know how i put me hilux diffs in just look at my build thread.(if you have dial up i wouldnt recomend as lots of pics)

cheers
martin

[Rotazuk]

There is no point in starting with a 410 , they will be older and rustier for a start . Even if you rip out all the drive train a 413 is a better bet as the 413 gearbox will not fit the 410 gearbox mounts , the 410 bonnet will not clear a 1.6 engine ( the 413 has a slight bulge ) and the adapter kit that Ben does will not fit the 410 mounts and its not worth the hassle of trying to custom fit one for $200 bucks .

Start with a 413 , 1.6 and adapter kit bolts straight in with a 413 5sp . The 410 t/case ( if you want it for slightly lower gearing ) will bolt into a 413 ( about the only interchangeable part ) . Remember zuk axles are either 3.73 or 3.9 ratio the most common toyota axles are 4.56 so there is some reduction there already . Also note the lux is centred rear diff head , but it works ( if $$$ unlimited get prado axles ) .

Also measure up a Samurai chassis as I think the leaf spacing is almost the same as the hilux ( check this thou ) and if it is it may be worth starting with a samurai chassis which you should be able to pick up for not too much and could be time well saved . The rear spring purches can be ground off and moved inboard but the front sit on the side of the diff head etc .

This is assuming its staying leaf , if colling it just start with 413 and definately get prado axles .

Cheers
Chris

[new2zukes]

re. the leaf spacing for samurai. the samurai leaf spacing for the back is too far out so a new mount will have to be made, but the front is only about 10mm off if that but you can just redrill another hole. make sure you make your truck wide enough or you might find you spend alot of time on your roof

[suzookyman]

thanks for the info guys this is great.
Chris, what part of Bens 16v to
413 box is it that is the prob if i use a 410 as a base vehicle (prob is i already have the 410 and not a 413 so i have to make it work ) I know i will have to make up some mounts for the 413 gearbox.
cheers Al
oh and this 410 has 16in wheels,is that standard?

[Rotazuk]

You will need new engine mounts and gearbox mounts with a 410 chassis where as with a 413 it all bolts to the factory mounts . Just means more fabrication . I see mudbits is selling a sj70 ( samurai , otherwise known as wide track ) chassis for $200 . If you could get his price down a bit I would say its worth it , but a couple of bolts dont line up on a 410 body . Think of how much time and steel you will use in making up new engine and gearbox mounts along with the front diff head and leave spring issue and a $150 chassis is starting to look good .

Cheers
Chris

[suzookyman]

Hey thanks for all the feedback guys,looks like i need a 413 so will have to sell this little 410 that followed me home the other day.Starting the project with it would be starting 3 steps back and none forward-oh well back to the drawing board
cheers Al

[Rotazuk]

You never said the body you had was a flat deck

These sometimes have a 3.0:1 low ratio instead of the 2.5:1 of the 84' 410 cases . Surely someone close has an old 410 case you could throw back in to sell it as a runner .

Whats the plans now ?

Chris

[suzookyman]

Hey Chris, well the plan now is to sell
the 410 and my Escudo and go for a 413
with 16v,spoa with hilux diffs and crawler box
-seems to be a good combination
just got to find a 413,
catcha Al

[hitbiga]

Currently in the process of building up a similar truck. Is a 413 chassis with toyota prado offset diffs, SPOA, RUF, 1.6 engine, 4.16 t-case, power steering etc etc. chasis is altogether just need to put engine gearbox and body on but due to other commitments may sell if price is right...

[Rotazuk]

I asked over on Outerlimits and the guys think the 410 bodys will bolt on a 413 chassis , the only difference is the 413 is recessed a bit for the body mounts .

Is it going to be off road only or road legal ?

If not keep the cab you have just get a chassis and start from there . Early 1.6 engines do not have the vss and I have been told run ok without it anyway , so a speedo is not an issue . Its just a shame to lose the lwb length .

Guess you have done the maths on a complete 413 , then selling off the engine and axles compared to buying a chassis and 5 spd gearbox .

All your steering , springs etc will go into the wt chassis . About the only thing you will need is a new fuel tank as I think the lwb tanks are different to the swb and you will need an elec pump anyway .

Eitherway sounds like it will be a nice truck .

Chris

Heres a crazy idea , get wt chassis cut it aft of gearbox mounts . Cut lwb in same place and weld together with some plates . Then you get wt spring mounts at front for front lux diff , eng and gearbox mounts for 1.6 . Then in the back you keep the nt spring spacing for the lux rear ( someone said they are almost a nt rear ) and the extra wheelbase of the lwb chassis . Now that is my pick .

[suzookyman]

yeah it will be an offroad truck,after 4 road legal
zooks i am enjoying not having to stress every time
i need a warrant
Al