CAPPING TYRE SIZES

[Moriarty]

Totally agree there! And these new 'learners' will never be able to be regulated, as soon as you get one 'under control' he is no longer a learner and there is some new chum who has just bought a lada and wants to try playing at some place that looked interesting to him (albeit not the place we would choose) and good on him. And in reality this is off topic because most of these guys don't have big tyres etc

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f the area is that sensitive to damage, lets move on to another place. There are some areas that need particular care but are still a 4x4 access area, and they should be marked to notify people that this is an access route, much of DOC land is like this. But there are also places that are not so sensitive where there is more freedom. Personally I don't actually have an issue with, and think it would be great to have selected ribbons of 4x4 access (of varying toughness) through more of our amazing DOC administered, publicly owned land.

Best answer yet, Skid, There IS no answer, the Siwsan has allocated me funds for tyres, and yes, they are gonna be relatively HUGE!!! going from 28" road tyres to around 32"-33" which fit nicely under the guards. Bearing in mind that my truck is still my daily drive........ Sort of multi purpose feet.

Sort of!!

Education? yup, this is still comparatively new game for me to play, and as a beginner, ever man and his dog is telling me what to do, not necessarily 4wd stuff either. But I am learning and for me, getting there by driving around the ruts either straddling or taking the longer rout is just as satisfying FOR ME as others sitting in that pond like Sig did a year back with four rooster tails of spray. it all comes down to horses for courses, doesnt it? and what the OWNER/DRIVER wants and needs. Still was an interesting discussion.

[mudzilla]

The most track dammage I've seen done was by two guys with 31at's well out of there depth on a muddy track, they had put snow chains on to get going. what a mess that made. My point is it does not matter if you make rules on tyre size to limit damage, there are always clowns that bugger it up with lack of brain power.
my 2cents

CHAINS.. Now there's a whole new can of worms..

[Moriarty]

CHAINS.. Now there's a whole new can of worms..

Worms are USELESS as chains.

[mudzilla]

there are always clowns that bugger it up with lack of brain power.
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CHAINS.. Now there's a whole new can of worms..

Worms are USELESS as chains.

Why do said CLOWN'S insist on useing chains on worn out SAT's even on dry ground,, sorry Skid , is this getting off the subject ?

It's not the tyre size .. It's the diff clearance .. Suzuki on 31"s same as Nissan on 35"s or 40"s on a HiLux at 6 psi.. Plus the Loose nut behind the wheel problem..

[Moriarty]

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Why do said CLOWN'S insist on useing chains on worn out SAT's even on dry ground,,
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Because, sometimes, those wornout SAT's are all that they (ME at the time) could afford or justify to see if I/they liked this silly bloody 4wd stuff. Never used chains, or even WORMS as chains....

A feller HAS to start somewhere. Back on topic......

This, below, is the telling comment, it's so very true.

It's not the tyre size .. It's the diff clearance .. Suzuki on 31"s same as Nissan on 35"s or 40"s on a HiLux at 6 psi..

the loose nut has no bearing on clearance as a physics or mathematical equation. only the CHOICES made.

[J_Dub]

why is it that some of you, with 35s, look down on those with 33s???
its like if you have 33s you aint got a truck worth looking at, and anything less than 35s is pointless blah blah blah, 33s cause more damage... blah blah blah
so ya got a whole 2" more in size... which is 1" more diff clearance and now ya shit dont stink.....

now back on topic... its the driver that causes the damage... dont mater what size tyres your running, its all in the control of ya right foot

[Bulletproof]

It's not the tyre size .. It's the diff clearance .. Suzuki on 31"s same as Nissan on 35"s or 40"s on a HiLux at 6 psi..

I think we should all buy Suz's and fit 40s and there will be no damage because we haven't got the power to spin them.

cheers Richard

[rangimotors]

why is it that some of you, with 35s, look down on those with 33s???
its like if you have 33s you aint got a truck worth looking at, and anything less than 35s is pointless blah blah blah, 33s cause more damage... blah blah blah
so ya got a whole 2" more in size... which is 1" more diff clearance and now ya shit dont stink.....

now back on topic... its the driver that causes the damage... dont mater what size tyres your running, its all in the control of ya right foot

Im not sure if i came across that way or if your getting at someone else. But to be clear I don't look down at anyone for tyre size, in fact i'd look down on you more if you went to 35's just to say "yea i've got 35's". We all use our trucks for different purposes so there is no tyre size that suits everyone. I myself run 36's but have gone from 31's to 32's to 33's and now 36's each time i have gone up in size its been for a reason and not because anyone else thought thats what i should do.
I have said it many times before and i am FAR from an expert but i think people should grow and learn with there trucks, start small, some may be happy to stay small others may want to improve there trucks as they improve there driving skills. This forum is very useful but its also easy to get caught up in what others think you should do. Be your own man, do the mods you want to do when you need them and you will end up with the truck that suits your needs not the truck that wins the pole on ore.

[Bulletproof]

Very few tracks require big tyres.

The big advantage of a big tyre is that you can run 5lbs pressure without losing too much diff clearance.

The Traction gained at 5 lb is 100 times a tyre at 25 lbs and without doing damage to a track.

Cheers Richard

[J_Dub]

why is it that some of you, with 35s, look down on those with 33s???
its like if you have 33s you aint got a truck worth looking at, and anything less than 35s is pointless blah blah blah, 33s cause more damage... blah blah blah
so ya got a whole 2" more in size... which is 1" more diff clearance and now ya shit dont stink.....

now back on topic... its the driver that causes the damage... dont mater what size tyres your running, its all in the control of ya right foot

Im not sure if i came across that way or if your getting at someone else. But to be clear I don't look down at anyone for tyre size, in fact i'd look down on you more if you went to 35's just to say "yea i've got 35's". We all use our trucks for different purposes so there is no tyre size that suits everyone. I myself run 36's but have gone from 31's to 32's to 33's and now 36's each time i have gone up in size its been for a reason and not because anyone else thought thats what i should do.
I have said it many times before and i am FAR from an expert but i think people should grow and learn with there trucks, start small, some may be happy to stay small others may want to improve there trucks as they improve there driving skills. This forum is very useful but its also easy to get caught up in what others think you should do. Be your own man, do the mods you want to do when you need them and you will end up with the truck that suits your needs not the truck that wins the pole on ore.

wasnt getting at you at all, just a few comments i see pop up now and then, so thats why i said what i said..

[williamhamilton]

I think you are all looking at this the wrong way..

why don't we lay tarmac on the tracks drop our suspension down low wear our caps to the side drop our pants to our knees add a fart machine that makes a noise each time we change gears and just slide down tracks sideways... big tyres.. bah who needs big tyres!!!!

Saying that I will be saving for 35s on my 40 and 31s on my ute and I find my three year old daughter tells me off if I put my cap on silly!

W

[DieselBoy]

You be the judge:

Standard Vitara on 31's


Ignore the start of the video, Bens trying to tow a discovery on 31's, but once he un-hooks and drive's up himself, judge from there. Cruiser running 36" Simex Centipede's.


Then there's my little standard zook on 31"s.

[spanky]

im going to go to 35s on my buggy when done so i can run lower psi and drive on tracks were my scudo used to belly, every one is guilty of spinning your tyres and ripping shit out of tracks ,good example is a club from down south way up here at queens bday week end and tore shit up on a heap of closed tracks on doc land, doc come along and see all these and there is another nail in the 4wd coffin. any size is fine just dont be f..kwits on public land.
vaughan

[rokhound]

I myself run 36's but have gone from 31's to 32's to 33's and now 36's each time i have gone up in size its been for a reason and not because anyone else thought thats what i should do.
I have said it many times before and i am FAR from an expert but i think people should grow and learn with there trucks, start small, some may be happy to stay small others may want to improve there trucks as they improve there driving skills. This forum is very useful but its also easy to get caught up in what others think you should do. Be your own man, do the mods you want to do when you need them and you will end up with the truck that suits your needs not the truck that wins the pole on ore.

Dave has hit the nail in the head here. I couldn't agree with him more. If everyone followed this line of thinking, driver skill would increase significantly.
Changing tyre is a big decision for a 4wder, and you don't just go from 31's to 33's because you have been hung up once or twice. You do it because you are getting hung up every time you go out, but you do learn to look at the different lines available and how to minimise the chance of becoming stuck at every obstacle. The unfortunate side of this is that in the frustration of being on the smaller tyres you will more than likely cause more than your fair share of track damage. What does happen though is that as you go up in tyre sizes you tend to drive with out as much aggression, because now it is easier to get through ( if that makes sence )

A major issue IMHO is the "cheque book" 4wders. The ones who have seen rigs with all the gear and just to have one because throwing cash at it is no issue (and no, i am not bagging any one person here). The way i see it is exactly the same as Dave does, Your off road skills and your rigs capability need to grow together, this will make you a much better driver in off road situations.

My 2c anyway (and probably overpriced at that )

[skid]

A major issue IMHO is the "cheque book" 4wders. The ones who have seen rigs with all the gear and just to have one because throwing cash at it is no issue (and no, i am not bagging any one person here). The way i see it is exactly the same as Dave does, Your off road skills and your rigs capability need to grow together, this will make you a much better driver in off road situations.

My 2c anyway (and probably overpriced at that )

soooo tru Rok, and I know you ain't bagging any one particular person. If you were to ask me, I could rattle off 4-5 folks straight away that are chequebook wheelers.

thread is heading where I thought it would and the poll is a little different to wot I thought, but then who knows if the voting is true or not.

for those of you that voted for wanting 40-44s or bigger, do you fell theres a big enough market for them, can you easily find and buy them or are they harder to get coz we not up those sizes yet.

one of my customers has a set of 44" swampers and everytime I walk past them I think, 'holy crap, those things are huge' and he had them on a hilux of all things, un-modded



great replies folks, keep it coming

[coxsy]

those big tyres and rims weigh alot, 15x33'' tyre and rim is a push for me to lift on to the spare mount, a big mass to rotate

[Slideways]

I found that my old 70 with 33's and open diff's could get to plenty of places.

First time I took it to Rallywoods I could get up tracks that others couldn't, but then I had a bit more power and most others had smaller tyres.

Now I have a gutless 3B 70 and will put the same tyres on as I don't see that I need 35's. I will probably fit a locker though.

The other day I was testing out my PTO and noticed a guy in a Bighorn with big 33's who had to take 3 attempts with run ups at a steepish but short track. At the time I had my 30' road tyres on plus a mate was driving (I'm trying to convince him to get a 4wd ), told him to give it a go but just crawl up. Got up first time, small tyres and all. Didn't even need to try, so the spinning tyres and aggressiveness isn't always the best bet...although fun in the right circumstances.

I guess my point is that there are too many variables to say that one thing will fix the issue. Tyre size, different trucks, drivers, ground condition, weather, etc etc blah blah.

[rokhound]

I voted that I would go 44 or bigger, but that would only depend on how many people were doing my style of wheeling (peer pressure and all that ). At this stage I am more than happy to be on my 40's (which is easy because the truck hasn't been used for 18 mths ) but if there were more people here playing my game I am positive that the tyre sizes would go nuts again.

You keep getting to a critical mass point where the need for bigger tyres to increase clearance also means the need for stronger drive train components. This often means bigger diff heads, which in turn cancels out the bigger boots, so you then think you need even bigger boots.
I believe that Jaffa and I are running at the limit of hilux axle housings and diffs on 40" tyres (and many would say we are running well beyond their limit). So if I was to go any bigger then diff heads would need to be addressed, which will decrease ground clearance, so then I would want to jump a few sizes up.

[hosehustler]

I'm having as much fun, if not more on the 33's I run now as i did with the 35's on the old truck, have to pick your lines a bit better but just as much fun especially when you drive a track and then sit back and watch others struggle or fail on larger tyres
One thing of note very few of us have gone smaller The good thing is the truck fits in the garage.
Personally I see the must destructive damage to tracks is done by large tyred vehicles that don't have lockers, Lockers are by far the key ingredient for traction avoiding damage, just been on a trip to the coast and my little 33's were doing the biz.
As far as the thread topic of capping goes, it will be a shame if we lose our personal decisions, if I wanted 38's or bigger, I should be allowed them, ahh well the nanny state may decide, hell i'm not even allowed to give the kids a bit of dicipline these days