50mm body lift blocks?

[4Munta]

hey all am still pretty green to all of this, can any one tell me if I can get a WoF with these or do I need a Cert?

[mudmike]

you need a cert for body lift

[Bolo]

only 50mil and over , as i have a 40mil and it passes a VTNZ wof , all the time every time

[Engineer]

only 50mil and over , as i have a 40mil and it passes a VTNZ wof , all the time every time

any body lift requires certification.
obviously your vtnz arent aware of this, every wof place differs.
check the lvv website.

[Bolo]

Hay what is the website ill go and have a read

[lneil]

only 50mil and over , as i have a 40mil and it passes a VTNZ wof , all the time every time

any body lift requires certification.
obviously your vtnz arent aware of this, every wof place differs.
check the lvv website.

The legislation actually allows that any body-lift may be required to be certed, but does not statorily require it. The use of words such as 'may' in the rule is what creates the grey area. Most WOF issuing officers that are fully cognizant of the rule (and the backing legislation that authorises the rule) understand that the current wording allows for some discretion PROVIDED certain conditions are met. The end result is that many will still grant a WOF to a body-lift of no greater than 50mm, and their stance is supportable in law.

[mudmike]

The biggest issue is the insurance, just because you get a warrant does not mean the police or insurance will see it that way, better to cert than find no insurance or charges from police if you have a crash.
Just something to consider.

[Engineer]

only 50mil and over , as i have a 40mil and it passes a VTNZ wof , all the time every time

any body lift requires certification.
obviously your vtnz arent aware of this, every wof place differs.
check the lvv website.

The legislation actually allows that any body-lift may be required to be certed, but does not statorily require it. The use of words such as 'may' in the rule is what creates the grey area. Most WOF issuing officers that are fully cognizant of the rule (and the backing legislation that authorises the rule) understand that the current wording allows for some discretion PROVIDED certain conditions are met. The end result is that many will still grant a WOF to a body-lift of no greater than 50mm, and their stance is supportable in law.

if its not listed in this document then by law it requires certification.

Ryan.

[Landy Rover]

I am a WOF issuing authority. The LVV are wrong in stating they need to be certed!! Remember that the LVV are not a WOF issuing authority but obviously have a financal interest in this! This has been brought to the attention of NZTA. There is NOTHING in the VIRM regarding body lifts. The only issue is from an AVI perspective, that the lift does not unduly affect any other system eg brakes, steering etc, and the lift itself is done in a tradesman like manner. Obviously if the lift is excessive and in the opinion of the AVI that it is unstable, he or she can fail it. I have had long discussions with NZTA certifiers regarding this issue, in particular with Pat Towers of the VCU, (he does my WOF reviews). He has informed me they are looking at addressing this issue properly in the VIRM as an amendment, but like all wheels of bearocracy, they turn slowly. Hope this helps The virm can be seen on the NZTA webb site..

[lneil]

Yes, it can be a very confusing issue.

Careful reading of the WOF issuers manual indicates that all bodylifts must be certed, but it is important to remember that that manual is not the legislative force behind the requirements. A WOF issuer would read in the manual, under the 'structure' section, that all modifications to the structure of the vehicle (which includes chassis) must be certed unless they are exempted by table 3.1.1. As body lifts are not specifically mentioned in table 3.1.1. but are modifications to the structure, it is clear why it is regularly stated that they must be certed.

As I understand it, the manual is not the legislation that determines the requirements for vehicles on NZ roads. It is, however, the document that WOF issuers are required to follow, and I am suprised that some will issue WOFs to body-lifted vehicles.

I found the last post interesting and will be interested to hear of any clarification. Only this morning I spoke to a LVVT certifier who was adamant that all body-lifts must be certed.

I will be delighted if someone can peice together a definitive answer, complete with the necessary legislative references, as we all want to know exactly where we stand and most of us want to be completely legal.

[Landy Rover]

Sorry but dont know where you get body lifts must be certed . Under section 9;1 steering and suspension, modifications 16, reasons for rejection, A modification affects a component or system that directly or indirectly affects directional control , needs certing, so if the mod does not, then no cert required. I have a letter from Ian Baggott, technical manager of VCU of NZTA which states "these types of modifications MAY require certification" This letter was issued to us in response to a WOF news article issue 11. It was addressed to Peter Vahry of NZ4wda but sent to all AVICs. As I said previous this issue will get properly addressed as the NZTA are aware of the confusion.

[darinz]

Sorry but dont know where you get body lifts must be certed . Under section 9;1 steering and suspension, modifications 16, reasons for rejection, A modification affects a component or system that directly or indirectly affects directional control , needs certing, so if the mod does not, then no cert required. I have a letter from Ian Baggott, technical manager of VCU of NZTA which states "these types of modifications MAY require certification" This letter was issued to us in response to a WOF news article issue 11. It was addressed to Peter Vahry of NZ4wda but sent to all AVICs. As I said previous this issue will get properly addressed as the NZTA are aware of the confusion.

Wouldn't a body lift that changes the way the body is connected to the chassis be covered by structure sections rather than steering and suspension sections?
Is this a case of terminolgy and confusion to what mod we are discussing?

[Engineer]

any body lift requires certification.
obviously your vtnz arent aware of this, every wof place differs.
check the lvv website.

The legislation actually allows that any body-lift may be required to be certed, but does not statorily require it. The use of words such as 'may' in the rule is what creates the grey area. Most WOF issuing officers that are fully cognizant of the rule (and the backing legislation that authorises the rule) understand that the current wording allows for some discretion PROVIDED certain conditions are met. The end result is that many will still grant a WOF to a body-lift of no greater than 50mm, and their stance is supportable in law.

if its not listed in this document then by law it requires certification.

Ryan.

i forgot to add this document in my last post, if its not in here it requires cert.
http://www.lvvta.org.nz/CertThresholdSc ... il04V3.pdf

[albundy]

i forgot to add this document in my last post, if its not in here it requires cert.
http://www.lvvta.org.nz/CertThresholdSc ... il04V3.pdf

Thanks for that cobber, makes life a little easier.
Al