Manukau Winch challange Oct 2009

[meatc]

Sweet as. Will bring my big drum and fill it at stream then take it away for use.

[DieselBoy]

Arrrrrrrrrrgh, what the hell happened with the scruitineering?????

Its been changed from Saturday morning, to peak Friday rush hour in Manukau city, an hour or so's drive from the actual comp venue!!!!!!


The weather is awesome, its going to be a weekend of wet and slippery muddy goodness

Can't wait



Edited: cause it was starting to sound like the 4wd Womens Weekly

[BrentC]

Arrrrrrrrrrgh, what the hell happened with the scruitineering?????

Hmmm


They say why?

[DieselBoy]

Arrrrrrrrrrgh, what the hell happened with the scruitineering?????

Hmmm


They say why?

Trying to squeeze 6 stage's into Saturday, plus 2 Saturday night.

They are worried they won't have time if its not done on Friday.

I think what really buggers things up is the location of the camp. If the camp wasn't where it is, scruitineering could be done as people arrive at the venue like they did at Norwest.

Trouble is the camps in an awesome spot, and why would anyone complain about having more competition stage's

Edit: Damn late night post's

[isuzumudman]

Hi Guys,

As Brent says, It is a farm paddock. Bringing your own gear to suck water from the stream for cleaning radiators etc is a sound idea. Whatever, the stream water is not human drinkable! We will have some drinking water available but, to be safe, bring your own.

Dave

[BrentC]

Arrrrrrrrrrgh, what the hell happened with the scruitineering?????

Hmmm
They say why?

Trying to squeeze 6 stage's into Saturday, plus 2 Saturday night.
They are worried they won't have time if its not done on Friday.
I think what really buggers things up is the location of the camp. If the camp wasn't where it is, scruitineering could be done as people arrive at the venue like they did at Norwest.

Yep - sacrifices for your sport I have to get up at 5.30am on Sunday to get to the farm by 7am to help marshal

[DieselBoy]

Hey Dave, who's doing the scruitineering??

I just want to check that my cargo barrier is going to be ok.



As you can see it has a heavy Tarp covering the whole rear of the truck.

In my opinion it is therefore at least as good as, if not better than the specified cargo barrier as there is no possible way for any unsecured object to leave the cargo area in any way shape or form.

Would like to see if it gets the nod or not while i still have time to do something about it

[isuzumudman]

Scrutineering for Club Class will be by Bernie Konz and for Challenge Class will be by Jack Talbot.

The rule is:
18.3 A cargo safety barrier manufactured from steel or aluminium shall be installed from floor to roof directly
behind the Driver and Co-Driver’s seats. It must be attached securely to the vehicle body structure in four
or more places. Maximum mesh size 75mm. Nylon or seatbelt material will not be accepted.

I see a tarpaulin in the photo but not a cargo barrier.

Dave

[DieselBoy]

Scrutineering for Club Class will be by Bernie Konz and for Challenge Class will be by Jack Talbot.

The rule is:
18.3 A cargo safety barrier manufactured from steel or aluminium shall be installed from floor to roof directly
behind the Driver and Co-Driver’s seats. It must be attached securely to the vehicle body structure in four
or more places. Maximum mesh size 75mm. Nylon or seatbelt material will not be accepted.

I see a tarpaulin in the photo but not a cargo barrier.

Dave

Yes, I am well aware of the rule on paper.

Previously the club class scruitineers have been happy with a box in the back that contained the recovery equipment securely, as the INTENT of the rule is to prevent loose objects in the back of a vehicle striking the occuopants.

As you can see, there is no way a loose object is going to strike the occupant of the vehicle with out magically finding its way out from under the Tarp.

I know Bernie has a login for this site, where's he at???

I won't argue one way or another, I just don't want to waste $$ on expensive Alloy Mesh when its not going to serve any purpose what so ever

So what's the story??

A - Follow the rule to the letter

B - Box in the back under the Tarp

C - Items secured in the back, with the tarp over the top

Got a phone number for Bernie?? PM it to me

[bernie]

Sorry man, I agree with Dave and rule 18.3
I see it as a safety issue that cannot be compromised. There is nothing stopping you from keeping the tarp, but you will have to fit the safety barrier

"Previously the club class scruitineers have been happy with a box in the back that contained the recovery equipment securely, as the INTENT of the rule is to prevent loose objects in the back of a vehicle striking the occuopants."

I am well aware that in the past, “some” of the rules were relaxed, I believe, for some very different reasons.

The INTENT of the rule is also to stop the likes of a broken snatch rope entering the cockpit from behind and smacking the occupants.

Bernie.

[isuzumudman]

Hi guys,

Timetable, how to get there sheet and spectator safety document now posted at www.manukau4wd.org.nz

Dave

[monstr]

Hi Dave ,how many trucks did you end up with ?,just hopeing a few more challenge trucks have entered.hope you guys have ordered better weather for the weekend because what we have now is crap.

[isuzumudman]

Final count is 5 challenge and 14 club (8 from Manukau) confirmed with maybe 1 more club to come.

Dave

[DieselBoy]

Sorry man, I agree with Dave and rule 18.3
I see it as a safety issue that cannot be compromised. There is nothing stopping you from keeping the tarp, but you will have to fit the safety barrier

"Previously the club class scruitineers have been happy with a box in the back that contained the recovery equipment securely, as the INTENT of the rule is to prevent loose objects in the back of a vehicle striking the occuopants."

I am well aware that in the past, “some” of the rules were relaxed, I believe, for some very different reasons.

The INTENT of the rule is also to stop the likes of a broken snatch rope entering the cockpit from behind and smacking the occupants.

Bernie.

Roger

[monstr]

Final count is 5 challenge and 14 club (8 from Manukau) confirmed with maybe 1 more club to come.

Dave

well at least its a nice managable number ,after checking with most challenge class trucks it seems were all in the same boat ,going through a rebuilding stage "im still touch and go "as of today we still havent got a working PTO but if it comes to it we will still be there useing the elec blonde moment winch ..

[bernie]

Steve,
Ill let you know in the morning, I'm pretty sure I have a PTO down in the shed that you would be welcome to use

Bernie

[darinz]

Don't do it Bernie! It'll be more fun to watch Steve use an electric!

[coxsy]

steve i have one too the drum handle is stuffed but you have air freespool let me know if bernie can't find his, and i do owe you something from your help in the past

[monstr]

Hi Bernie,Coxsy ,thanks for the offer mate but its not the winch as such thats the problem ,its that im rear mounting it along with the high mount ,trying to get some weight off the front wheels but am finding a lack of room the problem ,it would be fine if i took out the coilovers and put standard susp back in ,will sort it in the end but due to work commitments just dont have the time .still the elect works okay so we will use that if nessasry ill just shove 24v up it for the weekend and see how it likes that

[BrentC]

Entry list updated and track map added

download from

http://www.manukau4wd.org.nz

I have put an info link on the front page for Pete

[darinz]

I will be at scrutineering with everything that is needed to apply for a log book. Those planning on going to Taupo should make sure you see me and get this sorted as logbooks will be required there.
The forms are available on the 4x4 challenges website and I'll have some on hand as well.
There is no cost other than becoming a member (which is $6 per year with a $20 joining fee)
The things you will need are
Specs for your rollcage, who built it and who designed it.
Vehicle specs, wof, reg cert etc (if applicable).
Knowledge of the rules, we are introducing a basic test of the rules that will be done when audit is completed. Don't panic as you can read through the rules for the answers as that is really the goal.
Also anyone with a current logbook should see me and I can complete the audit for them as well.

[Madaz]

Ive got a question about the stage points....

Because your running all the trucks through the same stages are there seperate points for the two different classes?

i.e. 100 points for club class and 100 points for challenge class per stage?

Or is there just 100 points per stage for both classes to fight over?

Cheers

[BrentC]

Ive got a question about the stage points....

Because your running all the trucks through the same stages are there seperate points for the two different classes?

i.e. 100 points for club class and 100 points for challenge class per stage?

Or is there just 100 points per stage for both classes to fight over?

Cheers

Dave

[darinz]

Every time I have run an event with mixed classes, if the stages were the same then the points were overall. BUT if the stages are set with differences, then the points are awarded for each class.

At Whangarei this year, all stages were exactly the same so both classes were directly competing with each other. This also meant that a club class truck could be first overall.

At Whangarei last year, we had a couple of stages that had a different start or finish so all points were kept seperate.

Personally I think the way we ran it this year was better as it meant all competitors were fighting (sort of) with each other. It also meant there was no seperation between classes. So when you have another case where without the club class there would be no event, the challenge guys can just live with the fact the tracks may change quite a bit between each competitor hitting the stage.

For the scorers we have used Jenny's wondeful system both ways and it works equally as easy both ways. It just takes a different approach that I can help with (if needed).

[Razor Back]

hi guys new to the winch scene been overseas for cuple years use to watch the old winch challenges and am keen to catchup on everything . been reading forum and see there are 2 classes now is challenge class the old class and i see a lot of trucks hav dissapeared why is that

[Madaz]

Ive got a question about the stage points....

Because your running all the trucks through the same stages are there seperate points for the two different classes?

i.e. 100 points for club class and 100 points for challenge class per stage?

Or is there just 100 points per stage for both classes to fight over?

Cheers

Dave

Dave

[isuzumudman]

Hi guys,
Sorry for not replying earlier as I needed to seek confirmation from our committee on a couple of issues. I have now received that confirmation. I now confirm that as the courses are the same and everything is equal except vehicle spec's, the following ruling shall apply. The competition will run as if it were a single class competition. At the conclusion of competition, Challenge and Club Class points will be announced both comulatively and individually but the competition points will be individual.

Dave

[GQTROL]

Hi guys,
Sorry for not replying earlier as I needed to seek confirmation from our committee on a couple of issues. I have now received that confirmation. I now confirm that as the courses are the same and everything is equal except vehicle spec's, the following ruling shall apply. The competition will run as if it were a single class competition. At the conclusion of competition, Challenge and Club Class points will be announced both comulatively and individually but the competition points will be individual.
Dave

I'm not sure that actually clarifies the issue. As such, can you confirm that there is 100 points available per stage for Challenge Class vehicles only?

[isuzumudman]

I'm not sure that actually clarifies the issue. As such, can you confirm that there is 100 points available per stage for Challenge Class vehicles only?

Yes.

Dave

[darinz]

I'm not sure that actually clarifies the issue. As such, can you confirm that there is 100 points available per stage for Challenge Class vehicles only?

Yes.

Dave

In that case there can not be an overall first place, only class placings.
ie if the same truck in each class comes first on each stage they would have the same points (100 each no penalties). But if there was points for first reguardless of class then one would get 100 and the other wouldn't so an overall could be awarded.

There isn't a right or wrong way of doing it, it just depends on whether you want to award an overall winner or just class winners.