Anyone got a hydraulic winch?

3rnzir · Post by **3rnzir** » Fri Jun 30, 2006 7:09 am

Is it true the some hydraulic bands/models repel water ingress better than electric winchs?

DaveM · Post by **DaveM** » Fri Jun 30, 2006 8:43 am

I would hope so, because they aren't cheap :shock:

muddy · Post by **muddy** » Fri Jun 30, 2006 8:58 am

I know where there's a hydraulic capstan off a boat lying in a farm shed if anyone wants to have a go at adapting it to a winch drum. It'd probably sell reasonably cheap. Still need a pump though...

3rnzir · Post by **3rnzir** » Fri Jun 30, 2006 9:04 pm

Yep.I understand the hyhra`s cost what,50% more on average?Or there abouts,so why don`t more Kiwi drivers use the Hydra`s?If only for the Hydra`s superior waterproofness.Halfmore the inital expense.Twice the endurance.I do not have either an electric or hydraulic winch myself,just curious.My opinioins are only web based research,not experinced based.
Cheerz

wopass · Post by **wopass** » Fri Jun 30, 2006 9:57 pm

i would just like to"PTO" say that i have absolutely no"PTO" idea about hyro winches other than "PTO"they are expensive and i dont have one as my"PTO" winch is waaaay better :wink:

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sorry, just my "PTO" 2c worth... :wink:

DaveM · Post by **DaveM** » Sat Jul 01, 2006 9:21 am

From what I understand, and I may be wrong, you can get the hydro winches for around $2500-3000 for an 8000lb, but the expensive part is getting them running.

I know a guy in oz that has spent in excess of $6000 on top of the purchase price to get the winch to run efficiently/properly, and that meant a BIG pump, and equally big fluid tank.
He has run it for around a year now, and has most problems sorted, but he says it doesnt really behave like it should for a $8k investment :shock:

mercutio · Post by **mercutio** » Sat Jul 01, 2006 10:39 am

it makes all the difference if you have know people who know about hydraulics and they have access to cheap hydraulic components

which is why i am planninig on putting one on my wagon but i'm doing mine a little different i'm planning to use a pto winch but drive it with a hydraulic motor. my old man has a few pumps and valves lying around his place plus a couple of small tanks so with his collection of stuff we should be able to make something happen. i must admit the main reason i am going hydraulic is because i have not been able to find a PTO setup for my wagon and i'll be damned if i am going to use an electric one. :lol:

Sonic · Post by **Sonic** » Sat Jul 01, 2006 7:58 pm

had one for last 3 yrs, outlay of 4.5 k incld t15 bar. 10,000 lb rating for big usa trucks p/s pumps, tested up to 8,000 on a hi lux due to small p/s pump. If u are after speed forget it but remember the return speed under load is constant and will work all day for you unless u run out of fuel or overheat p/s fluid without a cooler

WACKO · Post by **WACKO** » Tue Jul 04, 2006 6:12 pm

this might be of some use to somone wanting to play around with a set up...
http://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/Listing ... d=61792085

Aaron · Post by **Aaron** » Thu Aug 10, 2006 2:54 pm

This would be a good setup for someone, if you want the landrover also

http://www.trademe.co.nz/Trade-Me-Motors/Car-parts-accessories/Landrover/auction-66013171.htm

Summit033 · Post by **Summit033** » Fri Aug 11, 2006 1:00 am

I was watching the 2005 Kiwi challenge DVD last night and they did an interesting bit on winching. Basically they split the screen vertically into four bits and showed four different trucks winching up the same section to show the relative speeds. They had a hydraulic winch, a 24v truck with a 12v winch (?), a PTO winch and finally a suzuki with a 12v electric. Basically the hydraulic winch was the quickest by a LONG shot. They showed another piece of footage (from the rear) of this truck with the hydraulic winch winching up a section and commented it looked like it was driving up it was going at such a reasonable pace.

I guess the trick would be in getting the thing set up correctly.... Wouldn't mind paying the extra if you knew you had ultra performance straight out of the box.

Clint · Post by **Clint** » Fri Aug 11, 2006 1:53 pm

One thing to be aware of is the difference between a power steer / belt driven hydraulic setup & a PTO driven one. All those winch trucks you see winching at fast walking speed have PTO hydraulic pumps & matching bigass winch motors which are way faster than a belt drive setup & way more $$$$ too.

The advantages to a hydraulic unit over a PTO is being able to gently dis/engage power to the winch independently of the driveline & having a relief valve instead of a shear pin in an overload situation.

Mercutio is right, if you have access to cheap hyd components & expertise then you could make a good unit. If you buy it all off the shelf however you'll be spending $10-$15 K before you'll beat me & wopass & our dirty 'ol $500 off TradeMe Toyota PTO's.

Cheers
Clint

BrentC · Post by **BrentC** » Fri Aug 11, 2006 3:24 pm

talking about PTO - why would my 70 series PTO shaft rotate when the gear box is in neutral :?:

- bits put back wrong after gear box rebuild :?:

De-Ranged · Post by **De-Ranged** » Sun Aug 13, 2006 11:42 am

talking about PTO - why would my 70 series PTO shaft rotate when the gear box is in neutral - bits put back wrong after gear box rebuild

Does the truck drive (move forward or back) in neutal, if thats the case you have put something in the wrong place.... what else that could cause this is oil friction, same sort of thing that happens in a torque converter easy way to spot this put your transfer in N it will spin, with it in Hi or Low it won't .... if you've put your box back together wrong you'd hear it

when you drive
If you really want to prove its oil friction, grab it... it should stop spinning under hand preasure

use a rope or something else that isn't gona hurt just in case it is a gearbox problem :wink:

Cheers Reece

BrentC · Post by **BrentC** » Sun Aug 13, 2006 2:11 pm

Does the truck drive (move forward or back) in neutal,

No

will try the rope trick

don't want to have my arm wrapped around the shaft :lol:

Thanks

Anyone got a hydraulic winch?

Anyone got a hydraulic winch?

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