Shackles or S.O.A?

MNC · Post by **MNC** » Sat Apr 22, 2006 1:40 pm

Right got my FJ40 - now for the fun part - setting it up.

Have been told that to do a S.O.A. isn`t too hard but I'm also wondering about chucking in some shackles first. I don`t want to get too high too fast and find out I dont like it. Can see I'd be worring about rolling over all the time (I must remember to put some seat belts in :lol:

). Have heard that the Trials guys prefer not to get to high and i've seen pleantly of those trucks roll over. :shock:

I enjoy having a go at getting up steep banks so maybe I should just stick with the standard set up ive got now :?:

. I`m sure my 33x14x15 boggers will fit under it no problem.

Any thoughts from you guys?

muddy · Post by **muddy** » Sun Apr 23, 2006 3:15 pm

You'll have to trim the rear guards to fit 33's, but thats cheap & easy - 20 mins with a disc grinder! Long shackles are a cheap lift - probably only back to about "new" height to cancel the sag. I've heard you can have steering issues with longer shackles on the front because it changes the caster. I learnt the hard way about lifting too much with the wrong rims - make sure you have the smallest possible backspace to widen the track, or you'll have stability issues. Also, if you're keeping the hard-top, it carries a lot of weight quite high. If you want to lift it very much (like SOA) - consider chopping the top into a smaller cab & tray, or going to a soft-top. Some really good info on these sites:
http://forum.ih8mud.com/forumdisplay.php?f=8&order=desc
http://forum.ih8mud.com/showthread.php?t=61345

MNC · Post by **MNC** » Sun Apr 23, 2006 10:06 pm

Thanks for the advice and the link to that awesome Cruiser site. Maybe I`ll try the shackles first - Might help with the tryes as well.

wopass · Post by **wopass** » Sun Apr 30, 2006 9:55 pm

one Question...

where the hell is red beach ?

SupraLux · Post by **SupraLux** » Mon May 01, 2006 4:05 pm

Isn't it somewhere near Orewa north of Dorkland?

Either that or its "Somewhere near Taupo"

MNC · Post by **MNC** » Mon May 01, 2006 7:53 pm

OK, removed that detail - wasn`t getting a lot of love with that one. :wink:

No point in asking Wopas which he prefers - must be SOA. What about shocks? Is it a good idea to get some longer travel shocks?

wopass · Post by **wopass** » Mon May 01, 2006 9:16 pm

hehhe

yea :wink:

longer travel shocks are going to be needed(front mainly) what ever you do man so do it once do it right. i think steve sells long travel shocks,im sure you can nudge a good price out of him

dont ask me whats in mine, it may give you bad ideas :lol:

tank · Post by **tank** » Mon Jul 10, 2006 1:35 pm

Gidday, I have a 1988 BJ74.

I am getting SOA conversion done at the moment. I'm trying to source RS9000's with extra travel to finish that, then need rims to match the 37's i have...

Was thinking backspacing of 2.5", sound close? The rims themselve need to be 16.5 and I can only find them in 8.25" width.. tyres are 37x12.5x16.5.

Not sure what the final SOA lift will be, somewhere b/t 6 - 8" and am thinking about how much to widen the track.

turoa · Post by **turoa** » Mon Jul 10, 2006 2:05 pm

tank wrote:Gidday, I have a 1988 BJ74.

I am getting SOA conversion done at the moment. I'm trying to source RS9000's with extra travel to finish that, then need rims to match the 37's i have...

Was thinking backspacing of 2.5", sound close? The rims themselve need to be 16.5 and I can only find them in 8.25" width.. tyres are 37x12.5x16.5.

Not sure what the final SOA lift will be, somewhere b/t 6 - 8" and am thinking about how much to widen the track.

PM Steve (supralux), I got my RS9000x's off him, and they were pretty cheap. Or theres that bloke on trademe (in aussie) who has them for $376, then you have to pay shipping and then GST !!

niblik · Post by **niblik** » Mon Jul 10, 2006 3:58 pm

MNC wrote: Can see I'd be worring about rolling over all the time. Have heard that the Trials guys prefer not to get to high and i've seen pleantly of those trucks roll over.

mnc... i'm buildin up a bj40 and was contemplating a soa to a sua...

my outcome was a sua, probably much to wopass' dismay.. :lol:

i was a bit iffy on sidelings or steep ascents/decents... hence i have done work on the guards/wells of my tub to make room for tyres, get lift in the suspension side of things to enable artic up into modded wells, and try to keep tippy overness down with a soft top conversion, and ultimately keep centre of gravity low as possible.. its like you read my mind.. :wink:

plus after talking with smokey on the weekend, he mentioned that 'cruisers tend to be a bit tippy'...

like you mentioned too, since i'm doin the lifted springs thing first, i can decide whether i like the ride/handling and i can always do a soa later.. so as not to go too high to quick..

MNC · Post by **MNC** » Mon Jul 10, 2006 7:04 pm

Niblik, I`m lovin watching your Cruiser build. Thats going to be one mean wagon once your done :twisted:

What size tyres are you putting on it?

I fitted my Boggers not long ago 33x14x15. There is not much room under the rear arches and going over some fairly tame country in the weekend I managed to bend a panel :oops:

(which turned out to be full of bog) Ha.

I accidentially jumped my FJ40 the other day and landed a little sideways. Felt pretty close to going over by didn`t. BUT...

I`ve decided to go SOA. Mainly because I want the clearance for mud (love the mud) and for bigger tyres when I can afford them. Also Wopas is going to help me out with the mod so I`m looking forward to picking up some cruiser knowledge from a guru.

Been watching the Yanks on the TTC DVDs. Big tyres, big engines, big everything. I wonder how one of their trucks would go over here???

niblik · Post by **niblik** » Mon Jul 10, 2006 7:21 pm

MNC wrote:

What size tyres are you putting on it?

thought about goin for 37 inch crawlies, ]:-) but really want to have a capable truck and if i go that big, gotta consider gearing and power,aswell as breakin birfields etc.. so all that said, i'm gonna start with probably 35x12.5x15's... reliability is a key issue...

everything is subject to change though :!:

never know.. :wink:

good to here wopass is helpin.. his missile is a very capable truck..

shit hot about these 40's gettin built and modded.. f'n love it :!:

make sure ya take pics and post em up fella... all the best with the mods... might go that way myself, one day.. :wink:

callum007 · Post by **callum007** » Mon Jul 10, 2006 7:31 pm

i should have brought my truck in to work on sat, then you could have had a look at a SOA 70 series.. mine is ridiculiously high. and if i didnt like it there, id lower it. even if you SOA you can run your current shocks unless they need replacing anyway. as you will probably need to shift the mounts so you can make them work. if you say take a leaf out of your springs after your SOA, it wont be so high and will flex much better.

Some pics i took in the weekend..
http://community.webshots.com/album/552105341iiRMli

tank · Post by **tank** » Mon Jul 10, 2006 8:25 pm

Callum007,

With a tranny cooler, my auto BJ74 (stock 4.11s) should move the 37's fine shouldn't it?

I'm thinking of widening my stock rims to 10", what sort of backspacing would you recommend?

I hear every 2 inches up you should widen track by an inch, so if SOA gives me 6-8" i should go ~3", would that mean going to a b/s of 2.5" instead of 3.5"?

callum007 · Post by **callum007** » Mon Jul 10, 2006 8:51 pm

i guess oyu still running the factory 13bt?? i have an intercooler and 17psi boost and yes it spins 34"s fine, but its no v8.. i ran 38" boggers to test for fit. and again its no power house.

as for backspace etc. i get confused. i have 6" rims and 9" wide tyres and yes i tip over. i think i was told to go for a -30 offset or something.. that apparently will give me more width. i was just going to get some 3" spacers from my mate Snake racing..

so to sum up all my 2 cents's..

Width is your friend when your as high as i am. and i think unfortunatly you may be dissapointed with the power you can get to the ground whe your running 37's..
please prove me wrong, by all means

niblik · Post by **niblik** » Mon Jul 10, 2006 8:55 pm

if ya really amping for 37's, play with ya diff gearing... bring your power back in line for easy motoring..

callum007 · Post by **callum007** » Mon Jul 10, 2006 8:58 pm

or run dual transfer cases.. do i hear the words "V8 conversion"..
to change diff gearing, its only a case of different ring and pinion isnt it??

tank · Post by **tank** » Mon Jul 10, 2006 9:05 pm

Move to 4.88's? Whats that worth?

JTop · Post by **JTop** » Mon Jul 10, 2006 9:25 pm

I would prefer the strength of the 4.1's and crawler gears in the transfer.
The deeper the diff ratio the smaller the pinion

MNC · Post by **MNC** » Mon Jul 10, 2006 9:36 pm

niblik wrote: make sure ya take pics and post em up fella... all the best with the mods... might go that way myself, one day..

Yeah, will def do the before

and after

photos

My brother n law has even offered to paint it up for me. I`m thinking white flames fading into blue :twisted:

Nasty.

Dont want it to be too pretty though :lol:

callum007 · Post by **callum007** » Mon Jul 10, 2006 9:41 pm

if its only the ring and pinion.. then order one of the shelf from say BNT or snake racing or something

tank · Post by **tank** » Mon Jul 10, 2006 9:41 pm

I think I'll just run a cooler and handle it till I have pennies. 4.88's will be 600 or so compared to 2k for crawler gears.

MNC · Post by **MNC** » Mon Jul 10, 2006 9:43 pm

callum007 wrote:i should have brought my truck in to work on sat, then you could have had a look at a SOA 70 series.. mine is ridiculiously high. and if i didnt like it there, id lower it. even if you SOA you can run your current shocks unless they need replacing anyway. as you will probably need to shift the mounts so you can make them work. if you say take a leaf out of your springs after your SOA, it wont be so high and will flex much better.

Yeah man, would have been cool to check out your truck. Oh well

I've watched both those TTC you flicked me. Awesome man - got me and my borther in-law (winchman) amping. Misses doesnt seam so keen though :lol:

Hey, After the SOA I`d be keen to try out those 38" Boggers on my wagon if you can still borrow them??? In dream land I`d like to import some 38.5x15x15" Boggers :twisted:

from the States USD$230 each per tyre but shipping is the killer I hear

Need new shocks anyway with some big travel. Have ben told I should try driveing my truck instead of moddin it - what do they know :twisted:

callum007 · Post by **callum007** » Mon Jul 10, 2006 9:52 pm

na.. boggers were a mates back home in dunedin.. i just moved up here.
he has them for sale. brand new on custon offset rims for $2500

MNC · Post by **MNC** » Mon Jul 10, 2006 10:16 pm

callum007 wrote:na.. boggers were a mates back home in dunedin.. i just moved up here.
he has them for sale. brand new on custon offset rims for $2500

Are they the 15" wide ones??? Do you think he would sell without the rims?

If so let me know cause I might be interested.

callum007 · Post by **callum007** » Mon Jul 10, 2006 10:51 pm

call him.. pete at otago tyres. tell him callum, mitchs mate, who borrowed his boggers told you to call..

he is the owner, and usually nice to deal with

krawlr · Post by **krawlr** » Tue Jul 11, 2006 8:39 am

i can do ya a deal on some 4.8s and havent been used with big tyres either :!:

come from stock surfs that ive wrecked out over the years :wink:

SupraLux · Post by **SupraLux** » Tue Jul 11, 2006 10:17 am

callum007 wrote:call him.. pete at otago tyres. tell him callum, mitchs mate, who borrowed his boggers told you to call..

he is the owner, and usually nice to deal with

Petes a Nissan driver isn't he? :shock:

Yeah, nice guy to deal with by all reports... hmmm... wonder if those tyres would fit the MU

krawlr wrote:i can do ya a deal on some 4.8s and havent been used with big tyres either come from stock surfs that ive wrecked out over the years

8" diffs are really hard to bolt into a 9" cruiser housing :lol:

Steve

callum007 · Post by **callum007** » Tue Jul 11, 2006 7:23 pm

8" is just too small.. 9" will always satisfy..

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