certification rules etc

muskie · Post by **muskie** » Thu Jul 13, 2006 11:25 pm

all new to me so what needs certification, snorkel?, 2" suspention lift?, winch and winch mount front bumper? bigger than standard wheel and tyres ok i know you need guard extensions.
or is it a case what you can get away with and see what happens at wof. a snorkel you can put on and off after wof, i dont want to break the law in a big way. just maybe minor infringements that are acceptable

1lurch · Post by **1lurch** » Fri Jul 14, 2006 6:40 am

basically do everything major you think you need , like the lift , wheels and tyres , bars and hooks , seats? . then call a cert engineer . They will put most of Your list on the plate . Locally we get told to go for a warrent check (and fail ) then the cert guy has half his job started . the snorkel is possably the one they wont list , but it will fit into the 'exterior projections' section .

Give your local cert guy a call , they are there to help . And doing it once , right first time has to be best.

cheers AL

4WDbits · Post by **4WDbits** » Fri Jul 14, 2006 8:53 am

The whole Low Volume Certs issue depends very much on the they guy doing the cert inspection. Try to find someone who knows about 4WDs or at least has done cert work on 4WDs in the past. For more info on what requires a cert have a look at http://www.lvvta.org.nz/index.html

DieselBoy · Post by **DieselBoy** » Fri Jul 14, 2006 9:31 am

BUT, most of us don't bother with a cert for snorkles, 50mm sus lifts, modified bumpers, flares etc etc.

I have never had a problem. Got toldmy flexi flares were illegal once. Pointed out to the guy that my wheels (road wheels) were still inside the body work so the flares weren't doing anything.

U-BOAT · Post by **U-BOAT** » Fri Jul 14, 2006 10:12 am

does anyone know if there is someone on the westcoast (south island) who does certification or wil i have to take my truck to chch?

DieselBoy · Post by **DieselBoy** » Fri Jul 14, 2006 10:32 am

Yep, Christchurch.

If you know Jonny Ray (battered white single cab Hilux) He will point ya to the one he uses :wink:

Sadam_Husain · Post by **Sadam_Husain** » Fri Jul 14, 2006 10:58 am

When I had my Chev conversion certified the guy listed all the other mods on the certification, bullbar, winch, rims, anti-inversion shackels etc. He said currently there were no standards for those items and it would pay to have them all listed proir to any standards coming into effect and they would all be listed in LTSA's database if anyone was a bit reluctant to issue a wof?

SupraLux · Post by **SupraLux** » Fri Jul 14, 2006 11:22 am

The only thing you said there which will require cert is the bigger rims/tyres. Suspension and shocks are fine as long as they use the standard mounting positions and are fitted properly.

You're doing basic mods at the moment, and if you keep your street tyres then you should be fine without cert - although if you have an accident on the way out 4WDing with some bigger rims/tyres fitted you might get looked at closely.

Best thing is to find a local certifier and ask him if you need it for your mods done/doing - then bring it back here for comment on the board. I put quite a few trucks through the process and know a lot of what you need beforehand and what just doesn't matter - although having said that its always the certifiers call in grey areas so different certifiers will have different ideas about what they will put their name against.

Steve

nz4x4 · Post by **nz4x4** » Fri Jul 14, 2006 12:54 pm

My truck got certed yesterday. The certifier certed it for everything that i may get pinged for when i get a WOF.

the list included:

Suspension lift
Suspension modifications
Body lift
15" White spokes
Sports seat
Sports steering wheel.

The only thing on that list that has ever stoped me getting a WOF is the suspension modifications but he still took down all the other bits and pieces just incase i have a problem in the future.

Armourguard · Post by **Armourguard** » Fri Jul 14, 2006 1:00 pm

nz4x4

What did they sting you for a Cert

muskie · Post by **muskie** » Fri Jul 14, 2006 6:07 pm

yep thats a good q armourguard, how much is a crtifiers fee.

nz4x4 · Post by **nz4x4** » Fri Jul 14, 2006 6:48 pm

about $450 approx, i got a WOF, had a wheel bearing adjusted and had some cutting and drilling done for my bull bar at the same time and all up it was $580 inc GST so about $450 for the Cert.

xj · Post by xj » Thu Aug 24, 2006 8:54 pm

i read an article just last week that gave the statement that if the circumference of your tyres was more that 15% bigger that factory standard that you needed a cert? Any truth to this?

wjw · Post by **wjw** » Thu Aug 24, 2006 9:35 pm

Its actually 5% rolling circumference - page 9

http://www.lvvta.org.nz/CertThresholdSc ... il04V3.pdf

Evertything is in there...

Insurance companies are another matter. You need to tell them about ANY modifications or they may not pay out!!!

I'm with the guys who provide the cover for the 4wd association and they require a cert for a 50mm suspension lift..

xj · Post by xj » Thu Aug 24, 2006 9:43 pm

cheers for that

what do you make of page 8 in regards to springs. It speaks of lowering, but not lifting. minimum of 100mm ground clearance is required.
as long as the mountings remain unmodified and the springs maintain sufficient travel while laden then there appears to be no probs.
shocks are the same story, unmodified seats and sufficient travel.

niblik · Post by **niblik** » Thu Aug 24, 2006 10:49 pm

uh - oh....

i am currently goin through mods to the body foot wells, guards, rear wells, sills, larger tyres, different seats, 6 point roll bar, different seatbelts, 4 wheel discs, s.o.a, wider diffs, lights, transmission, spring flip, shackle reversal, modded shock mounts front and rear, spring perch on chassis mods, steering column changed, power steering?, not to mention other bits and pieces i'm bound to ave forgotten...

probably not gonna pass first time but thats sorta why i'm waitin for everythin to be done, then take it through..

we'll see later...

doddzee · Post by **doddzee** » Thu Aug 24, 2006 10:52 pm

niblik wrote:probably not gonna pass first time but thats sorta why i'm waitin for everythin to be done, then take it through..

Get your certifier involved right at the beginning, its free for the certifier to come out and check what you are doing, it only costs when the plate goes on.

niblik · Post by **niblik** » Thu Aug 24, 2006 10:58 pm

good call doddzee..

shall do that..

MudBum · Post by **MudBum** » Fri Aug 25, 2006 7:20 am

Nibs,Remember for Cert you will need a certed welder :cry:

P.S If you get a guy in early!!

SupraLux · Post by **SupraLux** » Fri Aug 25, 2006 8:50 am

MudBum wrote:Nibs,Remember for Cert you will need a certed welder
P.S If you get a guy in early!!

Not true, you need an APPROVED welder for many things... not neccessarily a certified welder. If your cert guy knows the welder and has approved him then you are all good.

Steve

niblik · Post by **niblik** » Fri Aug 25, 2006 8:54 am

what if the guys not 'certed' for normal steel but a 'certed' welder for stainless work? and does weldin for a job? would that be goodly for the certifier?

SupraLux · Post by **SupraLux** » Fri Aug 25, 2006 8:59 am

What I do is do the welding then drop the truck in to Wayne for a check over before I start painting. He will ask for a letter from the welder stating he did the welding in accordance with best trade practices etc... to cover his future but in case the truck falls apart

Steve

niblik · Post by **niblik** » Fri Aug 25, 2006 9:02 am

SupraLux wrote:What I do is do the welding then drop the truck in to Wayne for a check over before I start painting. He will ask for a letter from the welder stating he did the welding in accordance with best trade practices etc... to cover his future but in case the truck falls apart

Steve

:thumright: sorted..

wjw · Post by **wjw** » Fri Aug 25, 2006 3:24 pm

xj wrote:what do you make of page 8 in regards to springs. It speaks of lowering, but not lifting. minimum of 100mm ground clearance is required.
as long as the mountings remain unmodified and the springs maintain sufficient travel while laden then there appears to be no probs.
shocks are the same story, unmodified seats and sufficient travel.

I'm not sure, would be best to speak to a certifier. In theory if its just springs and shocks then it shouldn't be a problem BUT, why are you lifting it? to fit bigger tyres, which then needs cert anyway. My local WOF guy in Wanaka said he didn't have an issue with 50mm lift springs and shocks as no other mods were needed to do the lift. But as I said I would check it with a certifier...

H2OLOVA · Post by **H2OLOVA** » Fri Aug 25, 2006 3:53 pm

niblik wrote:what if the guys not 'certed' for normal steel but a 'certed' welder for stainless work? and does weldin for a job? would that be goodly for the certifier?

Sounds like Nibbys taking his truck away? and taking it to a certed stainless welder since I'm not certed for anything!!! its mainly chassis welding that he'll be interested in, so we may have issues. I might have to hang up my welding mask :cry:

rokhound · Post by **rokhound** » Fri Aug 25, 2006 4:02 pm

Does certifiable not count H20?

H2OLOVA · Post by **H2OLOVA** » Fri Aug 25, 2006 4:13 pm

I tell that to the certifier and see what he says

wjw · Post by **wjw** » Fri Aug 25, 2006 4:31 pm

H2OLOVA wrote:
niblik wrote:what if the guys not 'certed' for normal steel but a 'certed' welder for stainless work? and does weldin for a job? would that be goodly for the certifier?

Sounds like Nibbys taking his truck away? and taking it to a certed stainless welder since I'm not certed for anything!!! its mainly chassis welding that he'll be interested in, so we may have issues. I might have to hang up my welding mask

I should have been certed for some of the structural welding I was doing in Wanaka but the engineer said my welding was better than the other guys (who'd been doing it for 15 years) so it didnt really matter. The key is that if its inspected it needs to stand up to scrutiny and if you dont have a piece of paper saying a cert'd welder did it, you may have to get it redone, get the guy that did it, to create a sample so it can be x-rayed etc etc.

Its more trouble than its worth not to have it done properly in the first place.

De-Ranged · Post by **De-Ranged** » Fri Aug 25, 2006 4:36 pm

The level of "compatancy" needed to weld to the chassi depends on the certifier and there interpretation of the rules :roll:

I have two certifiers up here
Ones interpretation is I need to be certified (4711 welding ticket) to weld anything inside a square made up of the outside suspension mounts on all four corners

The other ones view, mounts for control arms, steering modifications and any modifications to the structural integretty of the chassi need to be certified ..... anything else is a visual inspection of the welds prior to painting.... alright there are some other areas where I'm not allowed to play but thats stuff like brakes and some of the silly stuff I'm playing with :twisted:

and I'm gona get my ticket to do that... or carve the bits out of solid :twisted:

Just thought I'd show this so you can see why its worth shopping round with certifier's

Cheers Reece

albundy · Post by **albundy** » Fri Aug 25, 2006 5:49 pm

I've got snorkel, 50mm body and suspension lift, a circle of steel around the truck, aftermarket rims with 33x12.5x15 tyres, 2 sets of spots axes and shovels hanging off it and mods to the tyre rack to hold the hilft. My local mechanic reckons I'm border line for certification. He reckons anymore mods and I will need to get one. Reckon I need one know :lol:

. Insurance company knows about all mods and hasn't yet asked for a cert. Will get it eventually when I eventualy do the SAS.
Al

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