td42 Turbo or info wanted please

[corosafari]

Just completed our South Island holiday towing camper trailer.
As I was told 33" tyres will stuff up towing performance with non turbo.Had previously fitted extractors, 2 1/2 exhaust and snorkle which gave small increase in power which helped. Now the 12ft camper has been on steroids and and turned into 24ft caravan, with safari rack and kayaks up top its a struggle.
Oh yeh its 5 speed manual. While towing this rig rarely could I hold 5th gear, generally 4th on flat, 3rd on slight hill, down to 2nd on big hills. I consider myself fairly considerate driver and pull over where possible but Im over that, turbo it is.
Have done the usual weighing up about selling truck and buying a turbo one but its mint, only 170km and I,ve done alot of other work so would be hard to part.
Read most forums about custom set ups . Probably fairly capable of doing something myself but vehicle downtime not ideal so any recomendation on someone to do the job much appreciated. Could drop off to someone in Auck as vehicle based there currently while Im at sea. Any other advice or possible turbo set up for sale most welcome.
cheers

[jear bear]

Try Trade me auction 286044691

If you dont want him to do it he may point you in the right direction.

From what I have seen adding a turbo to your 4.2 motor performs a lot better than the standard turbo motors.

definately worth doing !!!

[Smurf]

Try Trade me auction 286044691

If you dont want him to do it he may point you in the right direction.

From what I have seen adding a turbo to your 4.2 motor performs a lot better than the standard turbo motors.

definately worth doing !!!

http://www.offroadexpress.co.nz/Forums/ ... 25&t=19438

[corosafari]

Cheers Smurf
That auction seems to have been withdrawn but I had looked at it previously if it was the guy in Nelson, nice work I must say,intercooler would be ideal. Unfortunately a bit far to travel, the return trip would be a great test drive though the ferry return trip bumps cost up a bit. I was hoping to find something similar closer to home. Enquired with Alltech in Auck, they do the DTS kit which uses Mitsi TD05 turbo. Have noted ATX kit uses garret turbo. Interested in any opinions and experience to compare these kits.
thanks again

[Taz]

Black Death on here talked me into never getting a turbo, unless its an AXT kit

Must say his thing hauls even at 15psi. I am used to my N/ana 4.2 though.

Think he said are about 4k landed with everything you need so theres no fecking about with the little odds and sods. I guess an install (unless your doing it yourself), pump tickling, dyno run and possibly a heavy duty clutch if needed in the future on top of that.

Like everything, you get what you pay for, so I'd be working out a budget before you start looking at kits. You can pick up a factory setup for about $1500, probably less on a good day but they are nothing compared to aftermarket.

http://www.patrol4x4.com has about 12 months with of reading on turboing TD42's.

Keep us updated so we can start building up a bit more knowledge on here.

[corosafari]

Cheers Taz
The price for the DTS kit is $4100 (no exhaust) with fitting suggested 8 to 10 hrs it would be close to 5k if I got someone to install. Happy to install myself but would prefer specialist to set up fuel pump as this is where most problems start if not correct.
Also dyno check before and after.
I seem to have heard the same about AXT being prefered for bottom end boost, good for towing ect. Difference between bush and roller bearing turbo.
Yeh heaps of info on here too, but thought I should post as looking for set to buy or have fitted so see what comes out of the woods.
thanks

[gimmemud]

Have you tried motortech 4x4 on the shore? Would imagine they've done a few looking at the vehicles going in and out of there

[Fakey]

Cheers Taz
The price for the DTS kit is $4100 (no exhaust) with fitting suggested 8 to 10 hrs it would be close to 5k if I got someone to install. Happy to install myself but would prefer specialist to set up fuel pump as this is where most problems start if not correct.
Also dyno check before and after.
I seem to have heard the same about AXT being prefered for bottom end boost, good for towing ect. Difference between bush and roller bearing turbo.
Yeh heaps of info on here too, but thought I should post as looking for set to buy or have fitted so see what comes out of the woods.
thanks

Have a read thru this thread its about a DTS kit http://www.patrol4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?p=399175

[corosafari]

Interesting reading Fakey, think I will lean towards the AXT kit from what info I have so far. But wait theres more;
Phoned home last night and looks like I have some unexpected medical bills to fix my 9 yr old, so rushing out and buying full kit will have to go on hold for now. More time for research and possibly build up a custom set, like the look of high mount set up, possibly even factory set as not after competition performance, just for towing and hill work . Ship was in Auck yesterday so went to lock up where truck stored and measured up to make some rock slider/steps. The factory ones have suffered a bit from 110kg jumping on them to get at roofrack so will keep me busy for a while.
Gimmemud- thanks for heads up on Motortech, already experienced good service from them.
thanks again

[Swamped]

Tauranga diesel have done a lot of turbo applications on patrols I think. They do those packages ie denco maybe axt. You can buy the individual components most of the time also. I heard someone having a winge about the manifold with the denco kits but havn't had any experience with em. The two trucks I've ridden in have been completely different animals to the N/A trucks.
I've been looking at just getting all the bits together slowly rather than just buy a kit. financially this seems the most sensible and its likely you will get a better final result if done right.

[corosafari]

you must have read my mind swamped, have been trolling through the forums and google heaps lately, actually phoned Tauranga Diesel for there ideas and price this morning, office lady took my number but still waiting. Also contacted Kerry at Top Gear Auto Tech from recomendation on here, more the custom set up, good dude to talk too and he will get back with price for complete job and manifold and turbo only.
Any ideas on price, source for EGT guage and pyro, and are most boost guages elect with sender or is it mechanical guage . Ive got a nice mech guage to suit if thats the case, just bigger guage line to run instead of wires., LIKE YOU SAY NO RUSH, DO IT ONCE, DO IT RIGHT,thanks

Tauranga diesel have done a lot of turbo applications on patrols I think. They do those packages ie denco maybe axt. You can buy the individual components most of the time also. I heard someone having a winge about the manifold with the denco kits but havn't had any experience with em. The two trucks I've ridden in have been completely different animals to the N/A trucks.
I've been looking at just getting all the bits together slowly rather than just buy a kit. financially this seems the most sensible and its likely you will get a better final result if done right.

[Swamped]

I think theres a thread regarding cheap pyros on here maybe??
I always deal with capital instruments just via email (Auckland i think) for sending units and gauges as the guy is real helpful and wasn't too stupidly priced. Ask the tauranga guy about injector pump mods and if they'll be necessary. You want the amount of fuel to vary with the amount of boost (don't remember the name of the regulator doohikee) needed to do this.

[Taz]

financially this seems the most sensible and its likely you will get a better final result if done right.

A lot of time, research, trial, error and $$$ goes into some of those kits so I don't know if you could get better for cheaper right off the bat first go, especially if you put a price on the man hours reading up about this sort of stuff takes! Even then there is only so much people put on the internet or are willing to tell you.

Found this an interesting read about an AXT kit on a Cruiser.

http://www.4wdinteractive.com/axt_pt1.php

THE LOWDOWN
Daryl Aston - head honcho at AXT - gave me a complete rundown on the turbo packages specifically designed for the 4WD industry. Like many other turbo mobs, AXT utilises a Garrett T3 body as its platform for the 'Cruiser engine (T25 are used for smaller-capacity engines). But that's where the resemblance ends, AXT designs the turbo housing to exactly match each engine type - a one turbo fits all' approach is just not good enough. AXT's design is such that turbo lag is all but eliminated without compromising power and torque figures. It stands by the philosophy that an engine's torque curve should not be altered in any way other than being amplified. That is, increasing the power and torque but not moving it up or down the rev range, which forces the engine to work outside the original design characteristics. The claimed end result is an engine that'll provide a reliable increase in power.

Aside from the turbo itself, AXT utilises a powder-coated cast-alloy ducting to minimise airflow restriction and maximise heat dissipation. A split (two lots of three-cylinder banks) cast-iron intake manifold is used to allow for expansion and contraction, which eliminates the chances of manifold cracking. The Garrett T3 turbo is a water-cooled affair - claimed to be far superior in reliability, as it's able to maintain a constant temperature and won't get so hot to cause damage. The kit includes oil and water teflon braided hoses, which are rated to 4000psi. Following on from the turbo dump pipe is a short mandrel-bent exhaust that matches up with the standard exhaust system.

Thats just an install though. Could have shat its self the day after this was published

[Swamped]

Even then there is only so much people put on the internet or are willing to tell you.

Like that tui_man2 character that was on here a while back.

I was told I'd see almost no change from 6k for a denco kit when asking around a couple years ago. Pretty sure with some deals and a lot of research/question asking you can come in a lot under that esp if you can do a lot of it yourself. Mind you there isn't any warranty I guess so you'd have to have some confidence in your work.

Rotorua Turbo and Diesel know their stuff also if you need more info.

If you go the kit way def let us know how it goes.

[corosafari]

geez thanks Taz, and I thought I had too much spare time.

Haven't got a local price on AXT kit yet but will keep ya posted.

thanks again

[Taz]

geez thanks Taz, and I thought I had too much spare time.

Haven't got a local price on AXT kit yet but will keep ya posted.

thanks again

Yeah I use the computer to study and have a pretty short attention span so I have a lot of 'down' time haha.

If you go for an Aussie brand you might as well just speak directly with them as they know their product better then any sub dealer and you might get a better price to buy and ship it from them to whoevers instaling it.

That Tauranga Diesel place sounds like they should be able to give an informed opinion on it all to.

Good luck man!

[tgaguy1]

Ask the tauranga guy about injector pump mods and if they'll be necessary. You want the amount of fuel to vary with the amount of boost (don't remember the name of the regulator doohikee) needed to do this.

That would be the boost compensator. I believe Tga diesel has used a compensator from a TD27 fuel pump in the past. They will be able to clarify what is needed.

[corosafari]

yep that right, already have that in my little red book from info on here. Actually enroute to Tauranga , ETA about 2400hrs. Another 4000 tons of cement to drop off, thats alot of concrete pads aye. Will get in touch with them tomorrow. cheers

Ask the tauranga guy about injector pump mods and if they'll be necessary. You want the amount of fuel to vary with the amount of boost (don't remember the name of the regulator doohikee) needed to do this.

That would be the boost compensator. I believe Tga diesel has used a compensator from a TD27 fuel pump in the past. They will be able to clarify what is needed.

[Muzza]

For what it's worth I bought a DTS kit from Tauranga diesel and installed it myself. Good help and advice from the boys at Tauranga diesel.
Absolutely awesome kit and performance. Very easy self install with the only fiddly bit being the 3" exhaust which are built for the LWB trucks so had to modify it a little to fit on but no real dramas. They run about 14 psi in standard configuration with a recommended 1/4 turn up on the diesel pump. You can worry about further tuning and fuel compensators etc later if you want but these units perform really well straight out of the box especially off road as they light up straight away with no turbo lag.

Happy shopping

[Hombrey]

Mate FYI I bought a turbo glide kit from aus at christmas and installed it myself. About $4200 landed (with duty) and about 3 hours to install as is an easy bolt up. Plus about $250 to hook up the exhaust and another $250 on a boost and egt guages. The kit has transformed my truck as can now accelerate up hills with a 9x7 tandem on the back and on the highway it pulls. Wound the boost to 13lb and 1/2 turn on the fuel screw and it runs ok at present from an egt perspective but just watching those. Now looking at water to air intercoolers as cold mornings give good power .

[corosafari]

cheers Muzza, have seen good report on tauranga diesel both on here and from mate in Tauranga, its a no brainer really Turbo is gunna transform my truck, as previously stated got a few unexpected bills so got to wait for a few more pay checks before splashing out on kit, but fun researching even if it involves doing circles a bit. thanks man.

For what it's worth I bought a DTS kit from Tauranga diesel and installed it myself. Good help and advice from the boys at Tauranga diesel.
Absolutely awesome kit and performance. Very easy self install with the only fiddly bit being the 3" exhaust which are built for the LWB trucks so had to modify it a little to fit on but no real dramas. They run about 14 psi in standard configuration with a recommended 1/4 turn up on the diesel pump. You can worry about further tuning and fuel compensators etc later if you want but these units perform really well straight out of the box especially off road as they light up straight away with no turbo lag.

Happy shopping

[corosafari]

Hey Hombrey, not familiar with turboglide kit, what turbo have you got, quick install for sure or did you have the overhauling crew helping, egt and boost guages cheaper than I thought. Intercooler definately will help if not only for performance but lower exhaust temps for longevity.Thanks mate

Mate FYI I bought a turbo glide kit from aus at christmas and installed it myself. About $4200 landed (with duty) and about 3 hours to install as is an easy bolt up. Plus about $250 to hook up the exhaust and another $250 on a boost and egt guages. The kit has transformed my truck as can now accelerate up hills with a 9x7 tandem on the back and on the highway it pulls. Wound the boost to 13lb and 1/2 turn on the fuel screw and it runs ok at present from an egt perspective but just watching those. Now looking at water to air intercoolers as cold mornings give good power .

[Hombrey]

Google Turboglide in Aus and you'll see a pic of the kits and some details. Na 3 hours was me on my own as the kit comes with everything you need to hook it up. Really is an easy install. I took it in to get the exhaust dump pipes it comes with hooked into my existing system plus a new muffler but truly 3 hours and it was in. Super clean kit under the bonnet and leaves plenty of room for intercooler as does away with the factory air cleaner and replaces it.

[Taz]

Super clean kit under the bonnet and leaves plenty of room for intercooler as does away with the factory air cleaner and replaces it.

How much for replacement filters out of interest?

[Hombrey]

Yet to find out taz as have not needed to replace it yet. Its a cylindrical paper element filter. I'm sure there are K&N filters that will fit but not got to the point of needing one yet. You pull the existing air box inside left guard and they supply a replacement cylinder air box with filter included then pipe to the turbo inlet.

[tgaguy1]

Yet to find out taz as have not needed to replace it yet. Its a cylindrical paper element filter. I'm sure there are K&N filters that will fit but not got to the point of needing one yet. You pull the existing air box inside left guard and they supply a replacement cylinder air box with filter included then pipe to the turbo inlet.

Looks like the factory turbo air box on their web site.
This is what a factory turbo one looks like.

[corosafari]

bit of an update
Just scored Turbo Dynamics kit off tm (from Forge's x truck I think) probably payed top dollar but dont come up much.
I have pressure guage 0 to 15psi which will do for boost for now or do I need purpose boost guage with vacumn reading or is this not required on diesel ?
Also any idea of EGT set up price and where from.
Pick up kit in couple weeks, will keep posted when all sorted.
cheers

[ClassicCruiserSpares]

You can get good egt gauges from moonlight racing. Thats were i get all my gauges from.

[crazee]

had mine fitted in blenheim with ferry crossing and accom was still cheaper than tauranga deisels. goes heaps better than did before even with only 11lb boost. and that included a 3inch exhaust.

[Heath]

I got my temp and EGT gauges from the US. - auber instruments (google them)

Great bits of kit and am saving for an oil pressure one (the sender is a bit more expensive then the others.

did the internet purchase thing and a week later there they were.

links

http://www.offroadexpress.co.nz/Forums/ ... 94#p230994

http://www.offroadexpress.co.nz/Forums/ ... t&start=30

Okay, time for an update on progress / fiddling wth my toy.

Fitted new digital gauges into dash above radio (fit perfectly) and I am having the probe (EGT) and water temp sender fitted tomorrow. Also having a good clean out of inetrcooler, etc while its in bits. Oh and a new lower temp thermostat (may as well as they are taking the cover off anyway to put in the sender). Decided to go with EGT and water temp for now, but will keep an eye on the prices of the other options.

In position above the 1 1/2 din factory radio.

Will wire up the senders etc myself and save a few $$$ where I can. I figure the power will come from the ignition and the earth will be on the radio mount somewhere (or find a body one near by), the dim setting will be from the park lights power. I'll make the wiring loom up for three gauges (future proofing) so later it will be easy as plug in and go...