Hijack during off roading! need help

[Ralfie]

Oh I reckon they are on here or at least some one is.
After all they will all be members of the 'local' 4WD club as indicated earlier and members of 'that' club are on here.

They are also on dangerous grounds holding the vehicles against their demands for the full payment, even the slightly reduced $5,500.
Its morally wrong as will as legally. Giving 4WDing clubs a bad reputation.

The police need to be involved sooner rather than later. Hi jacking or blackmail, either way its illegal.

I would also consider going to the media as well.

[jeremy]

My mate and I are applying for Auckland Four Wheel Drive Club now,I look forward to meeting you guys later.

Good work. I'll look forward to meeting you guys out on a trip or at a club meeting sometime soon.

[Swamped]

One must also ask what the f#ck were they thinking .taking in a couple of buggies to do a rescue in there? talk about taking a knife to a gun fight.

x2

I've recovered people from there. Was $200. They were down the bottom with two stripped beads, flat fronts and a blown hub. I did it for free but said they didn't feel happy with that so chucked me some cash. Good dudes.

If some idiot i come across is buried and having a cry cos of their stupidity (And its within my skill level to recover) I'll say $500 or nah. Esp if they in mallprowling 4x4's or they have an attitude, or they've been drinking. If they good dudes I help em out for nothing as I've been in the situation where the roles were reversed but I was fully equipped and guys helped me get back to town. If its outside my skill level I'll tell em I'll radio or ring a mate or someone that can help them or give em a ride out.
From my experience every driver I've met/ been out with has had the same attitude as myself and are generally good dudes.

As far as breaking shit, I think tough shit really. Its not like consumables on a job sheet. 4x4 clubs don't reimburse members if they break stuff. Its your truck, your risk, your choice.
Breaking wire winch rope, plasma rope and that many straps is unreal and is either massivley exaggerated or weren't being used correctly/or in poor condition.
It was probably gonna break on the next trip anyways......

I don't have a problem with a small reimbursement maybe, a box of piss or a bit of cash but those numbers are insane . People shouldn't be making a profit off it . It'll just put people off getting into wheeling.

Please post what 4x4 club you're referring too. You are at a risk of being given shit for squealing to the public however so keep that in mind.

Don't let this experience put you off wheeling. Not all of us are like the guys you ran into.

Def subscribing to this shitstorm.....

[wopass]

have done a few recoverys up there nad to be honest all i made out of it was a box of beer...but they were mates

to rescue 2 trucks from the bomb site, 1k each total strangers... AND a box of beer

what they are trying to get out of you is replacement for all thier broken shit which was going to break anyway, not your problem.

offer them the 2.5k or court... 2.5k is a pretty decent reward for recovery from where you were.

[Swamped]

Yeah wop is probably right about the price. I'd consider that generous but it might settle stuff. Make noises about court and see what they say.

[Crash bandicoot]

[suzookyman]

To Give you an Example of cost Myself and 2 other trucks drove down from Auckland to Katikati ,Recovered an 80series(dead) and a s/wb prado that was still running but had a broken front diff both were stuck in the long bog ,towed and winched both back to katikati the recovery took just over 7 hours WE BROKE NOTHING charged them $1200 and had a grat time doing it

..Steve

One must also ask what the f#ck were they thinking .taking in a couple of buggies to do a rescue in there? talk about taking a knife to a gun fight.

[tallsam66]

It appears no written contract was signed but a verbal aggreement was entered into at a cost of "$1000 or more per vehicle".
Now as to how much "more" .
A general rule of thumb is around 10% variation with an estimate as this appears to be rather than a fixed cost quote.

You need to get some legal advise from a lawyer to find out where you stand.
Im dont think they have the right to hold your vehicles as sercurity against your debt.
A good starting offer would be around $2500 in total.... this in inline with the amount you agreed to pay...if they say no id approach the police & ask them to assist you to collect the vehicles ... then let them try to sue you to recover there costs & let them proove them in court.
You have a lot in your favour dont let them rip you off.
I also think these people should be exposed ..they are not the kind of 4wd people we want in our hobby.

[mudlva]

kricky have been watching with interest

best that i can tell the cost discussion isnt about the 8odd grand but the differance between the $2k second quote to the $3650 as that is the only part that has any relavance to the whole thing.

Im with wopass here offer 2.5k and say thats the bill paid in full. broke gear and fuel costs dont come into the question as this would of been included in the first and second quotes.

personally going into that track with 1 winch is just mind blowing crazy and now you know why.

if the first quote was 8k then there would of been no discussion but as they did quote 1k per truck there is defernitly ground for you to arque

good luck and let this be a warning to others join a club and tackle tracks with the right people and trucks

cheers

[monstr]

You Should of put up a big striped tent and sold tickets to the performnce ,Seems to me you already had the CLOWNS there

It would be very helpfull to know who it was ,then we will know who Not to call or recomend in the future.(and im nosey)

[J_Dub]

without sounding like a smart ass, but what age are you and nationality?..
maybe your just not good on the keyboard but your wording and grammer and spelling etc suggests you may not be a kiwi... stab in the dark here, but if thats the case, and by going into this hard yakka track ill equipped, and if you are young, these guys who recovered you may have taken you as easy targets, thinking or assuming your not local or basically just have no idea, and they are trying to milk the shit out of you...

a price should have been agreed on and thats that..

and the fact that these guys have your trucks in their yard suggests that you are an easy target, how have you let them get away with holding your trucks in the first place????
aint no way ide let some clowns claim my truck untill payment.

they are milking it and your letting them get away with it, get your brothers and uncles and mates go to the yard with the cash you originally argeed on, give them a box a piss aswell, and get your trucks back

[Swamped]

posse up eh

[smiddy]

just been reading this topic, and to be honest what the hell are those buggy guys thinking!!

Ok, charging to recover broken trucks in a track regardless if you are prepared or ill prepared is fair enough, but as long as that figure is reasonable and agreed upon then it should be payed, but 8 grand and holding your trucks as ransom is just bullshit.

Sounds some people are wanting to build new buggies and saw someone they can take advantage of...

[DieselBoy]

Ahhhhhhh, but you have all forgotten the most important part of the above invoice

IDIOT TAX

[PR]

Its $3000 an hour for a heavy haulage helicopter I say name and shame these guys as they are giving all 4wders a bad name with any possible newbie’s in this game.

[Sadam_Husain]

I dont really know any more than what I've read on the 2 threads but I'd guess that this was a private recovery done by individuals that belong to a 4x4 club rather than a sanctioned recovery done by the 4x4 club so you'd have to be a bit carefull about how anyone went about a 4x4 club name and shame? I'd also tend to think if that was the case the 4x4 club may be a bit concerned of negative publicity generated by some of its members?



like everyone else I'll be reading the outcome and feedback from the recovery guys with interest

[red-devil]

all the more reason the club need o be told as its bad press towards 4x4s, and then the club can deal with the indivuals involed.

[redz driver]

My 2c worth

Ive driven this track in a road warranted 70 series cruiser with 5 other trucks and a combination of approx 80 years of off roading experience 12 months ago

Its a track that guys with no experience and ill equipped trucks need to stay away from

It has already claimed lives

As it's already been said join a club and start taking part in Winch challenges then this track is an easier drive

This is a public forum and should be rememered before publishing names

I would be disappointed if the club I belong to followed the same example in recovering someone from our local area and charging for labour

[Swamped]

I dont really know any more than what I've read on the 2 threads but I'd guess that this was a private recovery done by individuals that belong to a 4x4 club rather than a sanctioned recovery done by the 4x4 club so you'd have to be a bit carefull about how anyone went about a 4x4 club name and shame? I'd also tend to think if that was the case the 4x4 club may be a bit concerned of negative publicity generated by some of its members?

Its still a strange situation especially if they are claiming to be a leader of a 4x4 club and signing emails with their name and possiblythe 4x4 club name or whatever. I see that as representing the club and that places some accountability with them...kinda....in my mind at least. But tread carefully, without the side of the story from the guys who recovered you it could be bad for the club even if the club itself wasn't involved as I'd be thinking the same as sadam regarding it not being a club sanctioned trip/recovery.

Like RD said it could be worth emailing this clubs president?
Name and shame is always a last resort....cops and club first, ore, fair go, anyone with ears next.

[mylux]

Appreciate for all you guys reply,


My mate and I are applying for Auckland Four Wheel Drive Club now,I look forward to meeting you guys later.



Update: They have reduced recovery cost to $2750 each truck today.

Tell em to F.OFF.
Pay the amount agreed to at the start and tell em to go sing for the rest.
BLOODY BURGLING C#NTS.
It scares me to think there are w@nkers like this out there that are out to make a fourtune out of others misfourtunes.
If I knew of someone in that predicament I would help as best I could at little or no cost.
If they still are retaining your trucks until payment get the police involved.
My 2 cents worth.
Richard.

[guestynz]

who r they? im stuck
can u tow me
how much do i need on me 10 grand for a tow put there names up here for every one to see
cheers my 10c

[muddyhilux]

come on,name and shame this is a performance for sure,will they (the recoverer's) charge me a fee just for reading this thread

[Mudde1]

A personnel opinion only, not in any official capacity.
I have a reasonably good knowledge of the clubs around that area and have been thinking about who might be involved in this. If my guess is correct these people are not a 4 wheel drive club as such, but another community group whose members have 4 Wheel drive vehicles. From my knowledge of that group they are not likely to be concerned that they are giving 4wd clubs a bad name, which is a pity. May be some of the near by clubs or members would like to deny involvement. A personnel opinion only

[sibainmud]

Not getting off topic

When I went up that side last year by myself, there was a guy with a buggie/bathtub (with winches on both ends), still on the trailer in the car park, walked up the track after me and said that he would hang around till I returned (I said only going for a look, and will be back in 1/2 hour). I got to the long bog and turned around due to air leaking from left rear tire and bearing in mind I had at least 3 or 4 winches to get out of there. He was gutted when I made it out in 1 piece an hour later and just in time for the back tire to fall off the bead in the car park. All this shyt makes me wonder, what it would of cost if that "vulture" was needed to recover me
He was hanging out up there just to make some coin off unfortunate guys luck. Seams to be the culture down there to rip off out-of-towners
I'm glad now that I didn't go there earlier in the week like I wanted to

I just thought I would share this story.

As a high ranking committee member of a club, I would have no hestation in taking disaplinary action if any of my clubbies tried pulling a stunt like this because it would bring the club into disrepute.
Name and Shame

I agree with all the points raised and of the opinion, police, media, courts and any other sympathic parties should be notifyed ASAP.

Watching in anticipation

[Engineer]

next time u get stuck give me a yell! for $8000 ill travel the length of the country get u out and drive home again then spend the remaining $7000 on buying a 4wd!

that is absolute bullsh*t brother dont pay more than the first initial fee! they dont have a leg to stand on claiming those expenses!

[Fakey]

Why name the club (if thats what they are in at all) just put up the names of whoever youve been corresponding with concerning the recovery..
An Ill ask again do they still have your trucks? (Read most of the thread an didnt see an answer to this)

[muddyhilux]

An Ill ask again do they still have your trucks? (Read most of the thread an didnt see an answer to this)

don't worry,u didn't miss it and heaps have asked,i'm waiting for the answer as well

[GotFlex]

mate how long have they had your trucks for now? ill help come get them for if you want lol, ill be that way this week,

not to get off topic

Belonging to a club isnt always the best idea, all i can say is HB Clubs are a pack of queer c**ts.


stand up to these pricks quick.

[sibainmud]

Belonging to a club isnt always the best idea, all i can say is HB Clubs are a pack of queer c**ts.

Does that include the BOP?

[nzhunter]

Here is the email from the local 4x4 club leader:


I tried my hardest to first of all do it myself, with the help of one other. I totally over estimated the magnitude of your predicament & had to call in some experts to help out.

EXPERTS????!!! What the hell??? yeah right!!! thats a joke

There are at least 6 guys who have commented in this thread who compete at National Level Winch Competition who are ACTUAL experts and have vehicles capable of actually recovering vehicles properly and not breaking anything and I'm sure would recover them for roughy an 8th of the price

This is a joke, tell them the same as what everyone else has said.. get stuffed

If theres this much money to be made from vehicle recoveries stuff it, I'm buying genes truck and ill have it paid off in 3 recoverys haha