Hijack during off roading! need help

[vvilly]

i have a 2008 hilux that is stuck in rangiora toyota ill pay 8k to the first guy who can recover it

[wopass]

call the cops. simple.

they obviously follow the forum to have made that demand of you. so they will know that what they have demanded is completely outragous to those of us that know whats what and they are just trying to bully money out of you.

if they put your truck back where they found you call us im sure i could muster up a couple mates to go do a recovery job for what we have sugested. we could even make a video of it for youtube

i sugest that those people who have your vehicle to accept the 2.5k as well and truly fair price for a recovery from the bomb site for BOTH vehicles as im sure that the police and insurance companys would take a VERY dim view of what they are threatening.

[wopass]

i have a 2008 hilux that is stuck in rangiora toyota ill pay 8k to the first guy who can recover it

yea its parked next to that really nice 2009 LX 4.5 V8d that i want...i mean is mine

[vvilly]

i have a 2008 hilux that is stuck in rangiora toyota ill pay 8k to the first guy who can recover it

yea its parked next to that really nice 2009 LX 4.5 V8d that i want...i mean is mine

just scrapped up 2 k will that do

[aLUX]

Subscribed

i won't talk about the recovery as I am a newbie but what i will say is:

There is more then meets the eye here...

There are three sides to every story. Side 1, side 2 and the truth. By this i don't mean that anyone side has lied or mislead, I a saying there are factors that each side does not know or understand.

there is obviously two opposing sides and it needs to be resolved as there is a lot at stake, money, posessions, respect, reputation, etc, etc.

By involving lawyers, police, ins companys can get this even messier and I bet both sides don't need that. But it can be necessary.

What should be done is a mediator needs to jump in, a go between to sort the sh1t out.

Don't name and shame yet - it will just upset the otherside and it will make it harder to resolve.

I have experience in being a 'go between' and knowledge of what can and can not be done in this situation if either side wants some advice. I am in wellington so Im a bit far away but a phone call would suffice.

If you want a hand call me on 027 425 6349.

Alex

[Mudde1]

This recovery was a private contract between two groups of people. There is a written agreement in place between those parties that was written before the recovery was undertaken.
The recovery was not done by a NZ Four Wheel Drive Association club and no club is party to the contract in any way.
There are considerable differences between what was presented as facts here and what is considered facts by the people who did the recovery.
One of the vehicles has been taken away by the owner. The owner of the other vehicle is free to collect it at any time.
Negotiation of a settlement is under way and a third party is facilitating that process.
I am confident that there will be a resolution to the satisfaction of all parties.

Tony Burgess
Northern Zone President,
New Zealand Four Wheel Drive Association.
Ph 0274792636 or 09 2980194
Fax 09 2980134
Email nthzpresident@nzfwda.org.nz

[mylux]

Cool
Looks like it may be gunna get sorted without violence

[Kimbo]

I am starting to think that there is more to this than meets the eye. Zero4 seems to be selective in what he does say and getting a reply from him is like extracting teeth I am surprised that we have not heard from the other guy and are currious to know if his truck is being held for ransom? It is easy to sit in front of a computer and say who is an expert and who isnt an expert and I am now happy with the knowledge that if you do winch challenges you are an expert We must remember that once things are said in public they become just that.Public. Just maybe this is why the club have not commented. The title states Help Needed and with all the suggestions made so far I do wonder which if any of the suggestions made so far, has Zero4 taken up I am starting to wonder if this is being used to gloss over the fact that people tried a track that they should have never attempted, in trucks not suited for this track on there own and needed rescueing

[Kimbo]

Cool so now I suppose we should expect a bit of back pedaling and saying sorry. i wonder if we will get 7 pages of it

[wopass]

fark off, the guys that did the recovery should be shaken, trying to charge what has been mentioned is extorsion and quite franky its embarrasing for the rest of us. charge for a recovery sure but be realistic about it!!

whats undersood is some hillbillys trying to rip some dudes off who were out of thier depth...pun intended , hell ive been out of my depth lots of times, just lucky to know someone who could help at the time.

anywho... wheres the rest of the pics zero4? looks like it was a primo trip till you got lassood by those cowboys

[zero4]

This recovery was a private contract between two groups of people. There is a written agreement in place between those parties that was written before the recovery was undertaken.
The recovery was not done by a NZ Four Wheel Drive Association club and no club is party to the contract in any way.
There are considerable differences between what was presented as facts here and what is considered facts by the people who did the recovery.
One of the vehicles has been taken away by the owner. The owner of the other vehicle is free to collect it at any time.
Negotiation of a settlement is under way and a third party is facilitating that process.
I am confident that there will be a resolution to the satisfaction of all parties.

Tony Burgess
Northern Zone President,
New Zealand Four Wheel Drive Association.
Ph 0274792636 or 09 2980194
Fax 09 2980134
Email nthzpresident@nzfwda.org.nz

I would say I told the whole story not a part of it.

There is no written agreement or contract in place between us that was written before the recovery was undertaken.
I'm 100% sure of that

There is a print payment agreement(on 9th Jan 2010) after recovery,it shows at least one NZ 4WD club name on it.



Hope I don't need to be hand over all the docs to my lawyer 4pm tomorrow.


Thanks everyone including who pulled my truck out.



Cheers
James

[zero4]

fark off, the guys that did the recovery should be shaken, trying to charge what has been mentioned is extorsion and quite franky its embarrasing for the rest of us. charge for a recovery sure but be realistic about it!!

whats undersood is some hillbillys trying to rip some dudes off who were out of thier depth...pun intended , hell ive been out of my depth lots of times, just lucky to know someone who could help at the time.

anywho... wheres the rest of the pics zero4? looks like it was a primo trip till you got lassood by those cowboys

Will get the photos upload tomorrow.

[wopass]

anywho... wheres the rest of the pics zero4? looks like it was a primo trip till you got lassood by those cowboys

Will get the photos upload tomorrow.

primo!! pics are allways cool

[PR]

some hillbillys

Hey Wop speaking on behalf of hillbillies these guys aren’t associated with us they are more like minuet bacteria that feed on elegy at the bottom of ponds

PR(Six fingure hillbilly from the south)

[JJS]

Hi everyone
Thanks a lot for your guys’ help
I am the driver of the prado which was stuck and then pulled out on 6th Jan.
Despite the hijacking drama, I really appreciate the efforts from all the club members who helped on that day.
However, I definitely feel being ripped off after a senior club leader showed us the bill
I was also totally shocked by what he was doing, holding ours car for ransom
Being a full-time worker, I need travel 40km daily to get to work so I really need my ride back for work before Monday.

So I txt him and asked if I could pls have my truck back first?
He txt back saying that the full amount $2750 has to be paid before releasing my truck.
After long period of negotiation, I came over the city where the club based on Sunday 9th Jan, paid $1000 cash as deposit and was forced to sign a contract with the 4wd club which I have attached below with all the names covered.

He also threatened I will not getting my truck back on that day without signing the contract and he will hunt me down in Auckland if I don’t pay off the rest money in 5 days.

Under such unfavorable circumstances，I had no choice but signing the ridiculous contract, but instead of my signature, I just wrote a random word on that piece of paper.

I can’t believe this happens in New Zealand, we feel like we are right in the middle of Somalia, negotiating with the pirates

Through this memorable 4wd trip, we have learnt a very big lesson

[callum007]

said club will be issuing a reciept then with GST number etc. still its a crock of Sh*t. i'd have flown from dunedin to personally dig you both out for that.

[zero4]

Hi everyone
Thanks a lot for your guys’ help
I am the driver of the prado which was stuck and then pulled out on 6th Jan.
Despite the hijacking drama, I really appreciate the efforts from all the club members who helped on that day.
However, I definitely feel being ripped off after a senior club leader showed us the bill
I was also totally shocked by what he was doing, holding ours car for ransom
Being a full-time worker, I need travel 40km daily to get to work so I really need my ride back for work before Monday.

So I txt him and asked if I could pls have my truck back first?
He txt back saying that the full amount $2750 has to be paid before releasing my truck.
After long period of negotiation, I came over the city where the club based on Sunday 9th Jan, paid $1000 cash as deposit and was forced to sign a contract with the 4wd club which I have attached below with all the names covered.

He also threatened I will not getting my truck back on that day without signing the contract and he will hunt me down in Auckland if I don’t pay off the rest money in 5 days.

Under such unfavorable circumstances，I had no choice but signing the ridiculous contract, but instead of my signature, I just wrote a random word on that piece of paper.

I can’t believe this happens in New Zealand, we feel like we are right in the middle of Somalia, negotiating with the pirates

Through this memorable 4wd trip, we have learnt a very big lesson

Let the photo tells the turth.

[aLUX]

zero4, JJS, How about introducing yourselves in the "New Members and Beginners" thread...

Maybe once people know who and where you are you will be invited along on trips and you will learn the capabilities of your skills and trucks with viable support.

Just a thought.

[mylux]

FAR OUT !!!
This justs gets better,
Name and shame these COWBOYS !!!
If they treatened you into signing a contract then the contract is null and void.
Don't pay these halfwits any more money.
As others have said join here and meet some good buggers to go out wheeling with.

[lowbox]

Wow. I just stumbled on this thread - what a read!

Here's my $0.02. I've been through Thompsons, recovered people from there, and broken my truck too. I did get a dozen beers but it cost me a grand or so for the parts I broke

Here's my $0.02

1. Underprepared and under-equipped in Thompsons Track - what were you thinking! But anyway, what are your recovery options. Walk out get bits do repairs keep going, or get a digger, or get some friendly 4WDers, or pay the local boys who are all really sick of doing it.

2. I'd suggest the local boys need to get a clear contract and statement of charges if they are going offer a commercial operation. Probably an OSH plan and GST registration. Doubt anyone would bother really, probably just drive on by and tell you to get a digger.

So, when all the flaming has died down, my sincere hope that mediation can provide a solution acceptable to all parties.

But what will happen with the next lot that get stuck? Looks like the digger will be in there and wreck the track again. Or the council will finally gate it. Probably the best option, hopefully we can retain access somehow - like Maratoto or something. Sad but probably inevitable.

[taitantoyota]

This recovery was a private contract between two groups of people. There is a written agreement in place between those parties that was written before the recovery was undertaken.
The recovery was not done by a NZ Four Wheel Drive Association club and no club is party to the contract in any way.
There are considerable differences between what was presented as facts here and what is considered facts by the people who did the recovery.
One of the vehicles has been taken away by the owner. The owner of the other vehicle is free to collect it at any time.
Negotiation of a settlement is under way and a third party is facilitating that process.
I am confident that there will be a resolution to the satisfaction of all parties.

Tony Burgess
Northern Zone President,
New Zealand Four Wheel Drive Association.
Ph 0274792636 or 09 2980194
Fax 09 2980134
Email nthzpresident@nzfwda.org.nz

Still have nothing to do with a four wheel drive club?

This contract was clearly signed under duress and another cent should not be paid. The 2nd vehicle should be recovered with either the help of the police or another large organisation that specialises in solving these type of disputes.

I'd be ashamed to be part of this club, and I can see why your distancing yourself.

Any chance you were part of the recovery in a under prepped vehicle?

[bobrocket]

Would love to be a fly on the wall at their next club meeting.

If you have your truck, you've paid them some $$$, no-ones happy, I say Fark em, what are they gona do?, steal your truck, beat you up? this aint a school yard scrap......If their adamant you owe them the $$ and they think they have a right to, then they'll take you to court, then get a lawyer, no point wasting more money,

Don't let someone bully you into giving them more money, if a third person is mediating between you fellas, make sure their neutral, probably not (or supplied by) NZFWDA would be a good start, "Citizens Advice Bureau, Justice of the Peace,

You can't do shit if they decide to steal your truck and no lawyer is going to stop them beating you up,

I'd probably stay away from that track for a while thou....

NAME & SHAME

[Mudde1]

I need to make a clarification on my earlier post. I should have said that the recovery wasn't done with the authority of the club. the exec of the club had no prior knowledge of the contract.
I also need to make clear that the Simon making comments on this issue is NOT Simon Bishop NZFWDA National President. Simon Bishop is aware of the issue, and has authorized me to comment on this on behalf of NZFWDA.
Tony Burgess
Northern Zone President,
New Zealand Four Wheel Drive Association.
Ph 0274792636 or 09 2980194
Fax 09 2980134
Email nthzpresident@nzfwda.org.nz

[sibainmud]

I need to make a clarification on my earlier post. I should have said that the recovery wasn't done with the authority of the club. the exec of the club had no prior knowledge of the contract.
I also need to make clear that the Simon making comments on this issue is NOT Simon Bishop NZFWDA National President. Simon Bishop is aware of the issue, and has authorized me to comment on this on behalf of NZFWDA.
Tony Burgess
Northern Zone President,
New Zealand Four Wheel Drive Association.
Ph 0274792636 or 09 2980194
Fax 09 2980134
Email nthzpresident@nzfwda.org.nz

Yes thanks Tony.
This Simon is President of Norwest OHV Club Inc.
Sorry for any confusion. I will sign off with my surname too in future.

Cheers,
Simon Collett

[DieselBoy]

Well, its obvious that "BOP" fits into the space blanked out on the photocopied so called "Contract"......................

*pop corn time*

[Swamped]

What a crock. Is someone taking the piss??

Doesn't matter what you wrote, its still a 'signature'. You should have written under duress instead.

I wouldn't part with another cent. If you've signed under duress the 'contract' is null and void. You could talk to a lawyer and ask their advice only, which most probably will just be free and tell em you'll be back if it carries on.

The witness is there to make sure the contract is fair and you havn't been made to sign it against your will.

Was anyone else present at the signing?

I would still like the other side of the story though eh......I'm sure most people on here would give as much consideration to the drivers who did the recovery and a decision could be made. At the moment the said party is looking pretty shady so someone speak up. We all want the other side, not to pounce and flame the shit outta them.

[wopass]

it doesnt matter what the other side of the story is, charging that amount and holding a vehicle to ransom is unacceptable.

quite frankly im impressed with the guys that they made it to where they were, shows they arent just muppets and have some experience in what they were doing, just unfortunate the winch popped or they may have just made it all the way through.

I need to make a clarification on my earlier post. I should have said that the recovery wasn't done with the authority of the club. the exec of the club had no prior knowledge of the contract.
I also need to make clear that the Simon making comments on this issue is NOT Simon Bishop NZFWDA National President. Simon Bishop is aware of the issue, and has authorized me to comment on this on behalf of NZFWDA.
Tony Burgess
Northern Zone President,
New Zealand Four Wheel Drive Association.
Ph 0274792636 or 09 2980194
Fax 09 2980134
Email nthzpresident@nzfwda.org.nz

looks like a club contract to me Tony and one they probably try to print off on a regular basis? i think you boys need to do some arse kicking, that shit is embarrasing to the entire new zealand 4x4 fraternaty and not something that i would like to be associated with,i doubt that im allone on that either.

*edit to add*

bit more than clarify i think Tony

"The recovery was not done by a NZ Four Wheel Drive Association club and no club is party to the contract in any way.

[Swamped]

it doesnt matter what the other side of the story is, charging that amount and holding a vehicle to ransom is unacceptable.

quite frankly im impressed with the guys that they made it to where they were, shows they arent just muppets and have some experience in what they were doing, just unfortunate the winch popped or they may have just made it all the way through.

i think you boys need to do some arse kicking, that shit is embarrasing to the entire new zealand 4x4 fraternity and not something that i would like to be associated with,i doubt that im alone on that either.

yeah x2 on that but I do like to be fully informed rather than hear bits and pieces. This is bound to come up at a few club meetings.....

[moonhopper]

Interesting to note that the contract is between a 4wd club and this individual, but who does the bank account belong to, is it the clubs account or the person who attempted this complete farce of a recovery. As I would believe that if it is the club issuing the contract as it is written then the money must legally go to them. as you cannot represent a organization and give an invoice/contract out then redirect the funds to another person, I'm sure that is pecuniary gain using a document. as If you have said that the club did not have any knowledge of this contract.
as follows
Offence:

Dishonestly using a document – section 228 of the Crimes Act 1961
It is an offence to dishonestly take a document or use a document with intent to obtain any property or pecuniary advantage.

Penalty:

There is a maximum penalty of 7 years imprisonment.

[rguignard]

wow just wow