Hijack during off roading! need help

4x4girlie · Post by **4x4girlie** » Wed Jan 12, 2011 2:35 pm

Hey guys, i'm new to ORE but not 4x4ing. I joined ORE because i heard this happened and wanted to check out the forum myself.

This is disgusting behaviour and i cant believe that kiwis are lowering themselves to extortion - is this what we have come to? What has happened to the kiwi way?

What Ross Bolus and company have done is take advantage of 2 guys in a difficult situation and thought they could get away with it - but they didn't count on them joining ORE and revealing what a** they encounted and asking for help. Which brings the question to mind - how many others have been extorted?

hillz · Post by **hillz** » Wed Jan 12, 2011 3:05 pm

ring the pigs and get them to sort it.
or go get it with force wot may end up messy . so yea use ur hard erned tax money and put it to use...... :arrow:

Mudde1 · Post by **Mudde1** » Wed Jan 12, 2011 3:07 pm

There will be a statement from the Club , probably later today. please allow time for due process to take place.

Tony Burgess
Northern Zone President,
New Zealand Four Wheel Drive Association.
Ph 0274792636 or 09 2980194
Fax 09 2980134
Email nthzpresident@nzfwda.org.nz

wopass · Post by **wopass** » Wed Jan 12, 2011 3:08 pm

bobrocket wrote:At least now we know, if you get stuck don't call the BoP 4x4 club, they charge heaps,
call wopass, he's half their price

quarter the price! cmon im not that bad :lol:

...but thats plus a box of beer :mrgreen:

vvilly · Post by **vvilly** » Wed Jan 12, 2011 3:12 pm

wopass wrote:
bobrocket wrote:At least now we know, if you get stuck don't call the BoP 4x4 club, they charge heaps,
call wopass, he's half their price

quarter the price! cmon im not that bad ...but thats plus a box of beer

for the third time tui is not beer

wopass · Post by **wopass** » Wed Jan 12, 2011 3:23 pm

4x4girlie wrote:Hey guys, i'm new to ORE but not 4x4ing. I joined ORE because i heard this happened and wanted to check out the forum myself.

This is disgusting behaviour and i cant believe that kiwis are lowering themselves to extortion - is this what we have come to? What has happened to the kiwi way?

What Ross Bolus and company have done is take advantage of 2 guys in a difficult situation and thought they could get away with it - but they didn't count on them joining ORE and revealing what a** they encounted and asking for help. Which brings the question to mind - how many others have been extorted?

your right, what they did is unacceptable and i hope will be sorted out, the contract they have used looks like one that may print off a fair bit? how many other people have been issued that ??

the recoveries you dont hear so much about are the ones where guys get called out for a recovery and do so, get a few dollars for thier time and effort for being able to provide that type of service and everyones happy.

some times they dont get anything due to the persons being recovered promising a reward for their time/efforts then not paying up, these are times that make you think "why did i bother helping that muppet?"...

running a vehicle that is capable of doing a safe recovery in those situations isnt cheap and takes a lot of effort to build/buy and the guys running them would like to be showed some appreciation for the efforts and skill. having said that its a donation/reward/thankyou not a bloody contract charge holding vehicles to ransom arangment...thats just criminal.

it is a shame the guys in question didnt know this community was here, we are mostly a good bunch.... mostly :lol:

Tui is beer! its good beer!...and i have some in the fridge.... :mrgreen:

sibainmud · Post by **sibainmud** » Wed Jan 12, 2011 4:07 pm

Jerry wrote:6889 views on this thread since the 7th of Jan

It was a bit quiet this morning, logged in and no one was browsing it

Could of heard a pin drop in anticipation,

Ping..................Ping ping

Oh, that's right we did :lol:

Await the official statement

Mudde1 · Post by **Mudde1** » Wed Jan 12, 2011 4:18 pm

This is a statement from Bay of Plenty Four Wheel Drive Club following a special executive meeting held yesterday.
1. BOP4WD Club was not involved in the recovery.
2. The use of the BOP4WD Club name was not authorized by the Club.
3. There was a request and an agreement for the recovery of both vehicles between the owners and the recovery team. The verbally agreed price was $3000 and the only claim made for payment has been for $2750 as per a signed contract.
4. The vehicles were ill equipped for Thompson’s Track. The owners of the vehicles did not want to be involved in the recovery & voluntarily left the keys with the recovery team & asked to be contacted when the vehicles had been retrieved.
5. Alternative recovery methods were suggested & rejected by the owners. This recovery was performed at the insistence of the owners who allegedly are uninsured for 4WD activities.
6. At no time have the vehicles been held ransom pending payment of the agreed fee. They have been properly recovered, securely stored, cleaned, & radiators and brakes flushed, thus restoring them to a drivable condition.
7. The Prado has been picked up & the recovery team are waiting patiently for the land cruiser to be collected. The LC requires some repairs to make it fully driveable and the warrant of fitness is noted as having expired.
8. The owner of the LC has not been able to be contacted and he should make contact with the recovery team to arrange collection of his vehicle. If not collected the vehicle will be handed over to the local police as an abandoned vehicle.

Neville Dunton
President, Bay of Plenty Four Wheel Drive Club

Tony Burgess
Northern Zone President,
New Zealand Four Wheel Drive Association.
Ph 0274792636 or 09 2980194
Fax 09 2980134
Email nthzpresident@nzfwda.org.nz

stinky · Post by **stinky** » Wed Jan 12, 2011 4:31 pm

That dosnt look good think bop club should say sorry send the other truck home on a transporter and refund any money. Then get arse kicking

Sadam_Husain · Post by **Sadam_Husain** » Wed Jan 12, 2011 4:31 pm

1. BOP4WD Club was not involved in the recovery.

The way I read that statement it seems to contradict point number 1? If the club wasnt involved there wouldnt be any need to make any other points in the statement?

DaveM · Post by **DaveM** » Wed Jan 12, 2011 4:34 pm

Slight amount of arse covering going on now? Bet they were rubbing their hands together thinking they were "in the money" to begin with :lol:

Swamped · Post by **Swamped** » Wed Jan 12, 2011 4:35 pm

15 readers at the the mo :shock:

........ The owners of the vehicles did not want to be involved in the recovery & voluntarily left the keys with the recovery team & asked to be contacted when the vehicles had been retrieved.

This was something we weren't told. That would piss me off so no freebie would be had from me :lol:

They are still trying to stand by that contract??

mudbugga · Post by **mudbugga** » Wed Jan 12, 2011 4:36 pm

If the club wasn't involved, why has it been left with the crap all over it, and been left to answer to it?

Surely those responsible should be fronting up .........

4x4girlie · Post by **4x4girlie** » Wed Jan 12, 2011 4:44 pm

I only believe half of what is written up there.

A question tho...If they agreed on $3k where did the figure of nearly $8k come from? (i do believe they tried and FAILED to get $8k from them)

Also i believe that the club its self was not involved but it was indirectly involved because the secretary of the club used its letterhead and name to invoice these 2 guys.

They have backtracked majorily but i do believe that they did hold these trucks to ransom and only dropped the price and allowed the trucks to be taken now because they have been caught...

Damz · Post by **Damz** » Wed Jan 12, 2011 4:53 pm

Sadam_Husain wrote:
1. BOP4WD Club was not involved in the recovery.

The way I read that statement it seems to contradict point number 1? If the club wasnt involved there wouldnt be any need to make any other points in the statement?

Extremely good point :!:

4x4girlie wrote:They have backtracked majorily but i do believe that they did hold these trucks to ransom and only dropped the price and allowed the trucks to be taken now because they have been caught...

Agreed. Con gone wrong, sucks for the conmen. Well played by the victims! :wink:

wopass · Post by **wopass** » Wed Jan 12, 2011 4:54 pm

Mudde1 wrote:This is a statement from Bay of Plenty Four Wheel Drive Club following a special executive meeting held yesterday.
1. BOP4WD Club was not involved in the recovery.
= they all got kicked outa the club yesterday

2. The use of the BOP4WD Club name was not authorized by the Club.
=nothing to do with us,they stole it!

3. There was a request and an agreement for the recovery of both vehicles between the owners and the recovery team. The verbally agreed price was $3000 and the only claim made for payment has been for $2750 as per a signed contract.
=the contract that has nothing to do with the club because they stole it and are not members anyway...

4. The vehicles were ill equipped for Thompson’s Track. The owners of the vehicles did not want to be involved in the recovery & voluntarily left the keys with the recovery team & asked to be contacted when the vehicles had been retrieved.
= OMG im scared, lets get outa here before someone gets hurt!

5. Alternative recovery methods were suggested & rejected by the owners. This recovery was performed at the insistence of the owners who allegedly are uninsured for 4WD activities.
=we can do it or you can go get fcuked is an alternative!?

6. At no time have the vehicles been held ransom pending payment of the agreed fee. They have been properly recovered, securely stored, cleaned, & radiators and brakes flushed, thus restoring them to a drivable condition.
=play it down, give it a hose,make it sound like were still good guys!!...

7. The Prado has been picked up & the recovery team are waiting patiently for the land cruiser to be collected. The LC requires some repairs to make it fully driveable and the warrant of fitness is noted as having expired.
=just smash something on his truck so he has to get it fixed at my workshop where i can charge him another thousand buks!! mint!

8. The owner of the LC has not been able to be contacted and he should make contact with the recovery team to arrange collection of his vehicle. If not collected the vehicle will be handed over to the local police as an abandoned vehicle.

= might be safer with the cops!

Neville Dunton
President, Bay of Plenty Four Wheel Drive Club

Tony Burgess
Northern Zone President,
New Zealand Four Wheel Drive Association.
Ph 0274792636 or 09 2980194
Fax 09 2980134
Email nthzpresident@nzfwda.org.nz

just added a couple things that i think make it clearer... :lol:

not serious just takin the piss, kinda like that statement. :roll:

malfunction · Post by **malfunction** » Wed Jan 12, 2011 4:54 pm

Mudde1 wrote:This is a statement from Bay of Plenty Four Wheel Drive Club following a special executive meeting held yesterday.
1. BOP4WD Club was not involved in the recovery.
2. The use of the BOP4WD Club name was not authorized by the Club.
3. There was a request and an agreement for the recovery of both vehicles between the owners and the recovery team. The verbally agreed price was $3000 and the only claim made for payment has been for $2750 as per a signed contract.
4. The vehicles were ill equipped for Thompson’s Track. The owners of the vehicles did not want to be involved in the recovery & voluntarily left the keys with the recovery team & asked to be contacted when the vehicles had been retrieved.
5. Alternative recovery methods were suggested & rejected by the owners. This recovery was performed at the insistence of the owners who allegedly are uninsured for 4WD activities.
6. At no time have the vehicles been held ransom pending payment of the agreed fee. They have been properly recovered, securely stored, cleaned, & radiators and brakes flushed, thus restoring them to a drivable condition.
7. The Prado has been picked up & the recovery team are waiting patiently for the land cruiser to be collected. The LC requires some repairs to make it fully driveable and the warrant of fitness is noted as having expired.
8. The owner of the LC has not been able to be contacted and he should make contact with the recovery team to arrange collection of his vehicle. If not collected the vehicle will be handed over to the local police as an abandoned vehicle.

Neville Dunton
President, Bay of Plenty Four Wheel Drive Club

Tony Burgess
Northern Zone President,
New Zealand Four Wheel Drive Association.
Ph 0274792636 or 09 2980194
Fax 09 2980134
Email nthzpresident@nzfwda.org.nz

So if as stated in point 4 the keys and vehicles were left how does point 5 work?
And also if the club wasnt involved or didnt authorise the recovery how does it have so much information on what happend?
And shouldnt the person who used the club name without authorisation be suspended or dismissed from the club pending legal charges to be layed?

Mal

tallsam66 · Post by **tallsam66** » Wed Jan 12, 2011 4:55 pm

No mention of any disaplinary action against the club members who used the clubs name for personal gain.

Chops4wd · Post by **Chops4wd** » Wed Jan 12, 2011 5:00 pm

wopass wrote:
Mudde1 wrote:This is a statement from Bay of Plenty Four Wheel Drive Club following a special executive meeting held yesterday.
1. BOP4WD Club was not involved in the recovery.
= they all got kicked outa the club yesterday

2. The use of the BOP4WD Club name was not authorized by the Club.
=nothing to do with us,they stole it!

3. There was a request and an agreement for the recovery of both vehicles between the owners and the recovery team. The verbally agreed price was $3000 and the only claim made for payment has been for $2750 as per a signed contract.
=the contract that has nothing to do with the club because they stole it and are not members anyway...

4. The vehicles were ill equipped for Thompson’s Track. The owners of the vehicles did not want to be involved in the recovery & voluntarily left the keys with the recovery team & asked to be contacted when the vehicles had been retrieved.
= OMG im scared, lets get outa here before someone gets hurt!

5. Alternative recovery methods were suggested & rejected by the owners. This recovery was performed at the insistence of the owners who allegedly are uninsured for 4WD activities.
=we can do it or you can go get fcuked is an alternative!?

6. At no time have the vehicles been held ransom pending payment of the agreed fee. They have been properly recovered, securely stored, cleaned, & radiators and brakes flushed, thus restoring them to a drivable condition.
=play it down, give it a hose,make it sound like were still good guys!!...

7. The Prado has been picked up & the recovery team are waiting patiently for the land cruiser to be collected. The LC requires some repairs to make it fully driveable and the warrant of fitness is noted as having expired.
=just smash something on his truck so he has to get it fixed at my workshop where i can charge him another thousand buks!! mint!

8. The owner of the LC has not been able to be contacted and he should make contact with the recovery team to arrange collection of his vehicle. If not collected the vehicle will be handed over to the local police as an abandoned vehicle.

= might be safer with the cops!

Neville Dunton
President, Bay of Plenty Four Wheel Drive Club

Tony Burgess
Northern Zone President,
New Zealand Four Wheel Drive Association.
Ph 0274792636 or 09 2980194
Fax 09 2980134
Email nthzpresident@nzfwda.org.nz

just added a couple things that i think make it clearer...

not serious just takin the piss, kinda like that statement.

HAHAHA Love it.... probably not too far from the truth either!

Sadam_Husain · Post by **Sadam_Husain** » Wed Jan 12, 2011 5:03 pm

that statement sounds a lot more like damage control to me and I think the bit about the action they are taking against the members(?) for misuse of the club name and bringing it into disrepute was missing? Is that going to be in a follow up statement? :?:

vvega · Post by **vvega** » Wed Jan 12, 2011 5:08 pm

did someone not say the secretary of the club was involved in the recovery.
i beleive and elected member of a club is allowed to use the club name .. thats why they are elected to represent the members .

i could well be wrong but with any written contract there i a element of good faith as well
good faith by the party to pay for said service and good faith by the contractor to provide a appropriately priced service ... that is why in NZ you have 3? months to redress any issues with any contract ..

next step .. legally to recover a a vehical in a manor pertaining to profit the personal involved must have completed a qual in such a manor to demonstrate competency in the contracted job
you would need this as a part of the good faith aspect of entering into a contract with anyone

issues i see here are
ACC requirements
and weather both sides entered into the contract in good faith and if that contract could have been forfilled by a more experanced person in a mannor that could have been cheaper and less stressful
and finally
who the contract actually was with
the clubs standing may be that they did not authorize the use of there name ... but that doesn't limit liability buy the club if said person was a elected member

i also dont see anything in your statement to say if the people responsible were club members and what action is been taken to ensure this sort of thing dont happen again

please correct me if im wrong perhaps kiwipete ? who is far more schooled on procedure would clarify this

Furgus · Post by **Furgus** » Wed Jan 12, 2011 5:13 pm

vvega wrote:did someone not say the secretary of the club was involved in the recovery.
i beleive and elected member of a club is allowed to use the club name .. thats why they are elected to represent the members .

I am a member of a group of offroad enthusiasts who gather in the internet in a place called OffRoadExpress & I have their sticker on my truck, I guess if I had been there then ORE would also be in the shit?

NO I was NOT there & do NOT represent the BoP club in this matter at all

Jerry · Post by **Jerry** » Wed Jan 12, 2011 5:16 pm

ORE is not a club, but a forum, any activities including recoveries are private. the bill shown suggests it is from a club

flyingbrick · Post by **flyingbrick** » Wed Jan 12, 2011 5:19 pm

what a joke this whole situation is.

That official post by tony is total crap. Agree with everyone else about contradictory statements and withholding certain bits of info.

would like to also know who IS representing the "club" is if the secretary of the club isn't.

Furgus.

Its a bit different. If you handed over an ORE contract for your own gain then yes, ore would look bad.

wopass · Post by **wopass** » Wed Jan 12, 2011 5:22 pm

Kimbo wrote:I am now happy with the knowledge that if you do winch challenges you are an expert

wooohh...never claim to be an Xspurt
X = the unknown quantity
spurt = what comes out the back end of a duck

ok, yea i have some xspurt moments :lol:

sure sure Ferg, we seen those new tyres you were bidding on tardme :lol:

hey howd you guys do in wellytron? go ok?

flyingbrick · Post by **flyingbrick** » Wed Jan 12, 2011 5:26 pm

http://www.facebook.com/people/Ross-Bolus/832794721

zero4 · Post by **zero4** » Wed Jan 12, 2011 5:27 pm

Mudde1 wrote:This is a statement from Bay of Plenty Four Wheel Drive Club following a special executive meeting held yesterday.
1. BOP4WD Club was not involved in the recovery.
2. The use of the BOP4WD Club name was not authorized by the Club.
3. There was a request and an agreement for the recovery of both vehicles between the owners and the recovery team. The verbally agreed price was $3000 and the only claim made for payment has been for $2750 as per a signed contract.
4. The vehicles were ill equipped for Thompson’s Track. The owners of the vehicles did not want to be involved in the recovery & voluntarily left the keys with the recovery team & asked to be contacted when the vehicles had been retrieved.
5. Alternative recovery methods were suggested & rejected by the owners. This recovery was performed at the insistence of the owners who allegedly are uninsured for 4WD activities.
6. At no time have the vehicles been held ransom pending payment of the agreed fee. They have been properly recovered, securely stored, cleaned, & radiators and brakes flushed, thus restoring them to a drivable condition.
7. The Prado has been picked up & the recovery team are waiting patiently for the land cruiser to be collected. The LC requires some repairs to make it fully driveable and the warrant of fitness is noted as having expired.
8. The owner of the LC has not been able to be contacted and he should make contact with the recovery team to arrange collection of his vehicle. If not collected the vehicle will be handed over to the local police as an abandoned vehicle.

Neville Dunton
President, Bay of Plenty Four Wheel Drive Club

Tony Burgess
Northern Zone President,
New Zealand Four Wheel Drive Association.
Ph 0274792636 or 09 2980194
Fax 09 2980134
Email nthzpresident@nzfwda.org.nz

A photo better than a g words.

wopass · Post by **wopass** » Wed Jan 12, 2011 5:35 pm

nice phone mate!!,

looks like it works really well and is easy to get in contact with...

wish mine was that flash :lol:

ahh broken cv... at a workshop that will cost about $250 including brand new cv. give or take depending on condition of wipers and swivel hub bearings etc, maybe another 100 if they all need to be done.

zero4 · Post by **zero4** » Wed Jan 12, 2011 5:36 pm

wopass wrote:yea sorry mostly from me checking to see if theres any cool photos yet...

Sorry,mate.

The photos come a bit late,

That's what we did on 6th Jan,

The guys who did recovery for us had walked up to there on 6th and give us help, I'm still appriate for that!

reeceb · Post by **reeceb** » Wed Jan 12, 2011 5:38 pm

Fark me!

As others have said "What happened to the Kiwi way"? Give the bloke a tow an go on ya way.
Wouldn't pull a stunt like that where I come from, in fact there's a bounty on barstards like that!

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