badnuz wrote:...... is this thread been picked up on any other 4x4 forums????
and i cannot believe the prices that have been popping up 8k Mudde1 wrote:This is a statement from Bay of Plenty Four Wheel Drive Club following a special executive meeting held yesterday.
1. BOP4WD Club was not involved in the recovery.
2. The use of the BOP4WD Club name was not authorized by the Club.
zero4 wrote:Mudde1 wrote:This is a statement from Bay of Plenty Four Wheel Drive Club following a special executive meeting held yesterday.
1. BOP4WD Club was not involved in the recovery.
2. The use of the BOP4WD Club name was not authorized by the Club.
From my understood if point 1 and 2 works,
Such a person is taken to have been convicted of the offence below:
Dishonestly using a document – section 228 of the Crimes Act 1961
It is an offence to dishonestly take a document or use a document with intent to obtain any property or pecuniary advantage.
Penalty:
There is a maximum penalty of 7 years imprisonment.
mercutio wrote:zero4 wrote:Mudde1 wrote:This is a statement from Bay of Plenty Four Wheel Drive Club following a special executive meeting held yesterday.
1. BOP4WD Club was not involved in the recovery.
2. The use of the BOP4WD Club name was not authorized by the Club.
From my understood if point 1 and 2 works,
Such a person is taken to have been convicted of the offence below:
Dishonestly using a document – section 228 of the Crimes Act 1961
It is an offence to dishonestly take a document or use a document with intent to obtain any property or pecuniary advantage.
Penalty:
There is a maximum penalty of 7 years imprisonment.
thats is the way it looks to me
go talk to the cops and they can go talk to him about possible charges
mercutio wrote:hey zero4 just wondering where you guys are based did you travel far to thompsons or are you guys local
zero4 wrote:wopass wrote:yea sorrymostly from me checking to see if theres any cool photos yet...
Sorry,mate.
The photos come a bit late,
That's what we did on 6th Jan,
The guys who did recovery for us had walked up to there on 6th and give us help, I'm still appriate for that!
Shane wrote:
Looks like a pic from malaysian rainforest challenge.
Lots of sticky glue type mud
Hope you get it all sorted
Shane
Bubba wrote:Do you guys know Matt??
Sorry neighbour, couldn't help myself
moonhopper wrote:Yes that what it means exactly.
Since the club president has stated that in his response. He is most defiantly committed this crime for which he should be charged. But I'm not sure who would have to lay the complaint, the person whom he used the form on, or the club who he stole the form from. Best to talk to your lawyer and get this clarified. as I would think that if this charge was laid at his feet he would shit himself. and probably end this matter very quicklymercutio wrote:zero4 wrote:
thats is the way it looks to me
go talk to the cops and they can go talk to him about possible charges
Stage1V8 wrote:Jeez go away for a while and all hell breaks loose
I have read every post and there are some things that just do not gell from the club's end I'm afraid.
In any club there are officers who are given authority to act on behalf of the club for certain things, such as the treasurer can spend money and the secretary can author contracts. In this case the secretary has authored a contract that seems to have led to the extortion of money from a victim. Added to that it appears that the signing was under duress and the signor was under threat of harm if they did not pay within five days.
It is too late for the club to now say that these actions were not authorised because they were undertaken by a duly elected (assumption on my part) officer of the club was acting in accordance with their role as secretary. Additionally the secretary was acting as an agent for the club and the victims were not to know his actions were not sanctioned, therefore under the law any civil case is against the club for costs, but any charges of threats of potential violence will be against the individuals concerned.
The secretary has led the club into a situation where it is now alleged that the club sought to and succeeded in extorting money from its victim. It cannot back-track from that. Any other trustees/officers of the club may be equally liable.
Tony Burgess. As a member of the NZ4WD Association I do not believe that the association should be supporting this club in question given the seriousness of the allegations. The support given, from what I have read, gives tacit agreement to the club's presentation of facts, but (as others' have said) those facts are illogical and contradictory. The only cogent set of facts I have read so far have been from the young men who are the victims. They have been able to provide explanation, documentary evidence, and photographic support for their case. The club has not.
as always sibainmud wrote:Don't forget the worst crime is the account number
One big fat paper trail.
Pleased to see you have opinion Bob
moonhopper wrote:Yes that what it means exactly.
Since the club president has stated that in his response. He is most defiantly committed this crime for which he should be charged. But I'm not sure who would have to lay the complaint, the person whom he used the form on, or the club who he stole the form from. Best to talk to your lawyer and get this clarified. as I would think that if this charge was laid at his feet he would shit himself. and probably end this matter very quickly
zero4 wrote:From my point of view:
If we sue the club as Defendant on the court,(yes,coz club name on the contract)
then the club will sue someone unless they don't care to be convicted.
lexulance wrote:Im sorry but the people in the fore mentioned club at the start of this thread are just a bunch of tossers!!
Who the F#$k charges $8000 dollars to rescue 2 trucks, these guys need to have thier heads read,god help them if they need to be rescued one day!!!
What happend to helping fellow 4wd enthusiasts out? Im sure that many of the clubs in NZ and Aus would be discusted at thier actions!!
taitantoyota wrote:zero4 wrote:From my point of view:
If we sue the club as Defendant on the court,(yes,coz club name on the contract)
then the club will sue someone unless they don't care to be convicted.
you dont "sue" the club, well not as such anyway.
you inform the police if you havent already and the police decide whether there is enough evidence to make a case that a crime[s] has been commited and go from there with pressing charges and they would go before a judge, police vs "BOP bandits". not you vs the bandits or you vs the bandits club.
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Leithfield wrote:taitantoyota wrote:zero4 wrote:From my point of view:
If we sue the club as Defendant on the court,(yes,coz club name on the contract)
then the club will sue someone unless they don't care to be convicted.
you dont "sue" the club, well not as such anyway.
you inform the police if you havent already and the police decide whether there is enough evidence to make a case that a crime[s] has been commited and go from there with pressing charges and they would go before a judge, police vs "BOP bandits". not you vs the bandits or you vs the bandits club.
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Actually, the information presented to date suggests that there is also a stong prima facie case for Zero4 to pursue a private prosecution against the individuals involved and seek award of damages. Regrettably, the longer this plays out in public forum, the more this avenue of recourse is undermined.
DaveM wrote:Hmmm, a racially motivated price hike?
drtylilman wrote:DaveM wrote:Hmmm, a racially motivated price hike?
Exactly what I thought those rednecks need to be kicked out of the club and brought up on charges for fraudulent use of the clubs letterhad for pecuniary gain. Tony needs to be kicked in the plums then kicked off the association for his part of the coverup attempt.
This kind of sh*T really annoys me, being asian people takes one look at you and assumes they can charge what they like and you'd pay up with out question.
