best 4wd

[Jerry]

pajero's might be worth a look as well

[Landynut]

hahah pedro, nice input... one thing i cant stop myself from saying tho, is that you trials truck boys have more money than sense !

from what I gather our friend stealth here is looking at spending as little as possible for a functional 4wd to hit the beach and hills with... your right about diesel, if your not going far its best to stick with petrol the way rego, RUC and diesel price works out at the moment....
I've got a diesel vehicle that i use to tow the landy around with on an A-frame... bloody briliant, cheap diesel (70c a litre for me he he he he) to tow the landy over long trips, unstoppable power of a 3.3 litre flat 6 petrol for off-roading... + no reg or wof costs for the landy which also = $$$ saved...

I've gotta add for the mitsi's however - buyer beware....
where most engines that have a minor timing faliure or water ingestion (the list is long) might bend a valve rod or something minimal to fix, mitsubishi in all their wisdom came up with the brilliant idea of dual balanced cam shafts . . . which = total catastrophic faliure for the entire engine rather than a couple hundred bucks to fix up and get running again....

Also I've only ever broken one axle in my landy..... $80 to fix.....
whats it cost to fix a c.v. on a hilux or safari? :p

theres ups and downs to every 4wd...
I like the simplicity of land rovers.... if it doesnt do something important, it doesnt have it..

as the old saying goes, if it aint broke - dont fix it.
which is why after 60 years of producing the worlds best 4x4, you can take the most modern LR engine (2010 defender) and bolt it straight into your series 2 from the sixties without much hassle.... in other words when sourcing parts you dont have to narrow it down to a 2 year gap to get the part you require, anywhere in that 40 odd year period will do for landys and you know that part will fit

Had a chat to a mate today who was in east timor with the NZ army, reckons the rodeos are great trucks but more than half of them shat themselves from the heat, cracked heads and blown gaskets.....

[haynzy]

hahah pedro, nice input... one thing i cant stop myself from saying tho, is that you trials truck boys have more money than sense !

from what I gather our friend stealth here is looking at spending as little as possible for a functional 4wd to hit the beach and hills with... your right about diesel, if your not going far its best to stick with petrol the way rego, RUC and diesel price works out at the moment....
I've got a diesel vehicle that i use to tow the landy around with on an A-frame... bloody briliant, cheap diesel (70c a litre for me he he he he) to tow the landy over long trips, unstoppable power of a 3.3 litre flat 6 petrol for off-roading... + no reg or wof costs for the landy which also = $$$ saved...

I've gotta add for the mitsi's however - buyer beware....
where most engines that have a minor timing faliure or water ingestion (the list is long) might bend a valve rod or something minimal to fix, mitsubishi in all their wisdom came up with the brilliant idea of dual balanced cam shafts . . . which = total catastrophic faliure for the entire engine rather than a couple hundred bucks to fix up and get running again....

Also I've only ever broken one axle in my landy..... $80 to fix.....
whats it cost to fix a c.v. on a hilux or safari? :p

theres ups and downs to every 4wd...
I like the simplicity of land rovers.... if it doesnt do something important, it doesnt have it..

as the old saying goes, if it aint broke - dont fix it.
which is why after 60 years of producing the worlds best 4x4, you can take the most modern LR engine (2010 defender) and bolt it straight into your series 2 from the sixties without much hassle.... in other words when sourcing parts you dont have to narrow it down to a 2 year gap to get the part you require, anywhere in that 40 odd year period will do for landys and you know that part will fit

Had a chat to a mate today who was in east timor with the NZ army, reckons the rodeos are great trucks but more than half of them shat themselves from the heat, cracked heads and blown gaskets.....

from all your posts ive read boasting of how good landrovers are, pretty sure we have not seen any evidense to back the theories up Now im not knockin landies but theres alot words for little action, further more I used to drive a highly modified hilux with 37in tyres and over 200hp and never broke one cv and if I had I could have replaced it with one from the complete diff set I bought for $200, thats front and rear hub to hub. I do have a m8 with a whole bench of shagged diffs axles cvs all rover stuff, salisbury's you name it. the last time he did a cv he stated to me he was lucky to find a cv for it and he owns a garage

[Pedro]

hahah pedro, nice input... one thing i cant stop myself from saying tho, is that you trials truck boys have more money than sense !

that would be the top 10 vehicles or so, i can assure you i had total lack of funds to trial in comparison

I've got a diesel vehicle that i use to tow the landy around with on an A-frame... bloody briliant, cheap diesel (70c a litre for me he he he he) to tow the landy over long trips, unstoppable power of a 3.3 litre flat 6 petrol for off-roading... + no reg or wof costs for the landy which also = $$$ saved...

yup, but you now have 2 vehicles to run, when doing the touring can be a real pain in the arse to return to the start of the track to get the tow wagon back, that is if its still there.....

I've gotta add for the mitsi's however - buyer beware....
where most engines that have a minor timing faliure or water ingestion (the list is long) might bend a valve rod or something minimal to fix, mitsubishi in all their wisdom came up with the brilliant idea of dual balanced cam shafts . . . which = total catastrophic faliure for the entire engine rather than a couple hundred bucks to fix up and get running again....

ever had to rebuild a diesel when they go bang??? any modern motor that makes power cost a shitload to rebuild/fix

Also I've only ever broken one axle in my landy..... $80 to fix.....
whats it cost to fix a c.v. on a hilux or safari?

Ran 80 series CV trialing for 5 years, broke one, and I had a shitload of fun trying for those 5 yrs.

as the old saying goes, if it aint broke - dont fix it.
which is why after 60 years of producing the worlds best 4x4, you can take the most modern LR engine (2010 defender) and bolt it straight into your series 2 from the sixties without much hassle.... in other words when sourcing parts you dont have to narrow it down to a 2 year gap to get the part you require, anywhere in that 40 odd year period will do for landys and you know that part will fit

that be why you throw a 186/202 in there


each to thier own and the associated budget.

Pedro

[lilpigzuk]

as the old saying goes, if it aint broke - dont fix it.
which is why after 60 years of producing the worlds best 4x4, you can take the most modern LR engine (2010 defender) and bolt it straight into your series 2 from the sixties without much hassle.... in other words when sourcing parts you dont have to narrow it down to a 2 year gap to get the part you require, anywhere in that 40 odd year period will do for landys and you know that part will fit

.....

bwahahahaha, you really have no idea

[Landynut]

hahah pedro, nice input... one thing i cant stop myself from saying tho, is that you trials truck boys have more money than sense !

from what I gather our friend stealth here is looking at spending as little as possible for a functional 4wd to hit the beach and hills with... your right about diesel, if your not going far its best to stick with petrol the way rego, RUC and diesel price works out at the moment....
I've got a diesel vehicle that i use to tow the landy around with on an A-frame... bloody briliant, cheap diesel (70c a litre for me he he he he) to tow the landy over long trips, unstoppable power of a 3.3 litre flat 6 petrol for off-roading... + no reg or wof costs for the landy which also = $$$ saved...

I've gotta add for the mitsi's however - buyer beware....
where most engines that have a minor timing faliure or water ingestion (the list is long) might bend a valve rod or something minimal to fix, mitsubishi in all their wisdom came up with the brilliant idea of dual balanced cam shafts . . . which = total catastrophic faliure for the entire engine rather than a couple hundred bucks to fix up and get running again....

Also I've only ever broken one axle in my landy..... $80 to fix.....
whats it cost to fix a c.v. on a hilux or safari? :p

theres ups and downs to every 4wd...
I like the simplicity of land rovers.... if it doesnt do something important, it doesnt have it..

as the old saying goes, if it aint broke - dont fix it.
which is why after 60 years of producing the worlds best 4x4, you can take the most modern LR engine (2010 defender) and bolt it straight into your series 2 from the sixties without much hassle.... in other words when sourcing parts you dont have to narrow it down to a 2 year gap to get the part you require, anywhere in that 40 odd year period will do for landys and you know that part will fit

Had a chat to a mate today who was in east timor with the NZ army, reckons the rodeos are great trucks but more than half of them shat themselves from the heat, cracked heads and blown gaskets.....

from all your posts ive read boasting of how good landrovers are, pretty sure we have not seen any evidense to back the theories up Now im not knockin landies but theres alot words for little action, further more I used to drive a highly modified hilux with 37in tyres and over 200hp and never broke one cv and if I had I could have replaced it with one from the complete diff set I bought for $200, thats front and rear hub to hub. I do have a m8 with a whole bench of shagged diffs axles cvs all rover stuff, salisbury's you name it. the last time he did a cv he stated to me he was lucky to find a cv for it and he owns a garage

highly modified hilux = lockers?
yeah tends to be alot easier on the running gear when you can afford those....

and yea, i bet he did have trouble finding a c.v. to put in a landy that has solid axles

[Landynut]

hahah pedro, nice input... one thing i cant stop myself from saying tho, is that you trials truck boys have more money than sense !

that would be the top 10 vehicles or so, i can assure you i had total lack of funds to trial in comparison

I've got a diesel vehicle that i use to tow the landy around with on an A-frame... bloody briliant, cheap diesel (70c a litre for me he he he he) to tow the landy over long trips, unstoppable power of a 3.3 litre flat 6 petrol for off-roading... + no reg or wof costs for the landy which also = $$$ saved...

yup, but you now have 2 vehicles to run, when doing the touring can be a real pain in the arse to return to the start of the track to get the tow wagon back, that is if its still there.....

I've gotta add for the mitsi's however - buyer beware....
where most engines that have a minor timing faliure or water ingestion (the list is long) might bend a valve rod or something minimal to fix, mitsubishi in all their wisdom came up with the brilliant idea of dual balanced cam shafts . . . which = total catastrophic faliure for the entire engine rather than a couple hundred bucks to fix up and get running again....

ever had to rebuild a diesel when they go bang??? any modern motor that makes power cost a shitload to rebuild/fix

Also I've only ever broken one axle in my landy..... $80 to fix.....
whats it cost to fix a c.v. on a hilux or safari?

Ran 80 series CV trialing for 5 years, broke one, and I had a shitload of fun trying for those 5 yrs.

as the old saying goes, if it aint broke - dont fix it.
which is why after 60 years of producing the worlds best 4x4, you can take the most modern LR engine (2010 defender) and bolt it straight into your series 2 from the sixties without much hassle.... in other words when sourcing parts you dont have to narrow it down to a 2 year gap to get the part you require, anywhere in that 40 odd year period will do for landys and you know that part will fit

that be why you throw a 186/202 in there


each to thier own and the associated budget.

Pedro

ah good on ya mate... has to be ONE low budget trials truck showin em how its gone
most of the trials trucks I've seen have just had $100,000 piled on them to make them what they are..

202 is a good motor, and its cheap...
if i could afford a 2.5tdi I'd get one today.

tow vehicle = $1500 and insured for 3k... steal it, see if i care the landy will still get me home

surprised the shit out of me how well it tows tho.... 3L diesel perkins motah, good n strong - cheap on juice...

[Pedro]

[and yea, i bet he did have trouble finding a c.v. to put in a landy that has solid axles

must be a bitch to steer with solid axles those land rovers

[lilpigzuk]

[most of the trials trucks I've seen have just had $100,000 piled on them to make them what they are..

...

I know Im feeding the troll but there is maybe just one (even then its just a number that has been thrown round) that might be $100K +. The rest are well under that. The more you write the more newbies know not to listen, keep it up

[Landynut]

At the end of the day, im just batting for landys coz they rule - its MY opinion and im entitled to it, end of story...
I've done some truly amazing shit in my truck over the years, unfortunately low budget = no handycam to record it...

I'm gonna bow out of this one before it turns into a shitfight

you can all argue about whos 4wd is better til teh cows come home, or you could just find a ruler and measure ur love muscle, would be quicker....


NZ defence force used landrovers for hmmm, 3 decades?
pretty sure they wouldn't have stuck with them for so long if they were unreliable or incapable of crossing country where tracks dont exist in virtually any climate...

In the end only replaced by a german purpose built fkn land submarine on steroids so there ya go....

[Landynut]

[most of the trials trucks I've seen have just had $100,000 piled on them to make them what they are..

...

I know Im feeding the troll but there is maybe just one (even then its just a number that has been thrown round) that might be $100K +. The rest are well under that. The more you write the more newbies know not to listen, keep it up

100k was an exaggeration, it means ALOT of money - wasnt a literal translation of the exact amount spent.... read between the lines

[lilpigzuk]

[and yea, i bet he did have trouble finding a c.v. to put in a landy that has solid axles

must be a bitch to steer with solid axles those land rovers

Series landies have UJs not Cvs (like the Dana axles) Not commonly known. Bet you feel owned now Pedro

[Landynut]

[and yea, i bet he did have trouble finding a c.v. to put in a landy that has solid axles

must be a bitch to steer with solid axles those land rovers

front axle is a uj in the swivel housing.....

If you break a front axle in a landrover, you did something wrong.

[Pedro]

[and yea, i bet he did have trouble finding a c.v. to put in a landy that has solid axles

must be a bitch to steer with solid axles those land rovers

Series landies have UJs not Cvs (like the Dana axles) Not commonly known. Bet you feel owned now Pedro

oh fark i am seriously mortified by my complete lack of interest in land rover for the past 20 yrs yeah right!!

[Landynut]

ok im out, let the monkeys throw their faeces - enjoy your shitfight, ciao

[lilpigzuk]

ok im out, let the monkeys throw their faeces - enjoy your shitfight, ciao

[madmatt]

Right, now that Landy has gone let the good advice flow! A LWB 3.0 V6 Pajero would be an option and the advice from Landy was wrong. The 3.0 is a non interference engine so if you blow a head gasket and heat it up or throw or break a timing belt you wont stuff the entire engine.

[stealth]

well i have learned something....people are passionate bout there whips..

[Pedro]

well i have learned something....people are passionate bout there whips..

Oh yeah!!!! every vehicle has strong points and bad ones for that matter, you have to decide what fits you with info given, i spent a month going around in circles to my choice, pretty happy with it so far, but what ever works for you go for it

also where abouts are you in the country???

[mylux]

Awesome 3 pages of crap with the odd bit of good advice chucked in.
Can't wait for the school holidays to finish.

In my opinion for an out of the box good reliable 4 x 4 get a 88 - 96 D/C Hilux with a 3L (2.8 litre) they are tough as nails, you can repair them yourself, (if your handy with tools) good resale value, and parts are common as catpiss.
Yes I have and still own other 4 x 4's but the Luxie is the best by far.

[stealth]

Right, now that Landy has gone let the good advice flow! A LWB 3.0 V6 Pajero would be an option and the advice from Landy was wrong. The 3.0 is a non interference engine so if you blow a head gasket and heat it up you wont stuff the entire engine.

I owned a 1996 LWB pajero as a daily/tow vehicle before becoming interested in offroading, (never took it off the road tho) it had a valve issue and i sold it rather than rebuild....... dont know if i would get another one TBH, altho the book is wide open so to speak.

Im in Dunedin.

[mylux]

Im in Dunedin.

If you put your location in your profile you won't get asked this every time you post

[stealth]

A hilux was what i was told to get by mates who regularly go up the hill...i just want to get as much info as i can...as this will save issues later dow the track if it doesnt suit my needs.

[stealth]

Im in Dunedin.

If you put your location in your profile you won't get asked this every time you post

cant seem to change my profile when im in Edit? any trick to it?

[J_Dub]

whos this 'Landynutt' chap

this is the 2nd thread in 2 days where he anounces he ejaculates all over Landys and fills the thread with repeataive shite..

you like Landys, we heard you the 1st time

i said cherokees before cause they are cheap, but then i remember and old thread just came up the last couple days on a lwb bighorn, some dude modded it quite nicely, they are cheap as chips

[ClassicCruiserSpares]

Ive owned alot of other trucks over the years other than landcruisers but its the one ive always come back to because they suit me and what i want out of them.
But after seeing that you do abit of hunting maybe a double cab hilux is the way to go so you can put your deer/pigs etc on the back or dogs if you use them, which would leave the cab tidy for yourself as well as friends and family.

[rokhound]

I think you now get the point about what series LR do to your brain .

I tell ya, if I was parting with the coin, I would go with lux. They have an enormous amount of aftermarket bits available, but even as a std rig they are very capable (as are some other rigs as well).

Don't know that you will get a good DC one for $6k though, but you never know.

I used to have LC before the surf, and the reason I changed was that I was being driven all over every time I went out by Lux's on 33" tyres. I was running 36" swampers and this was over 10 yrs ago when a 36" boot WAS something kinda special. So I bought a surf and have played with them ever since (my rig was a progression unit, not a cheque book build). I would love to give some kudos to another brand or make, but I have never had another make come close to where my POS has gone (although Nibby may be getting there I think ) although I have been out driven plenty of times by other Lux's.

As I said, enjoy what ever you get and make sure you use it.

[Rotazuk]

Why not look out for a lwb 92-95 prado . Solid axle , reasonably comfy to drive on the road with the coil susp and good enough off road .

Chris

[mercutio]

NZ defence force used landrovers for hmmm, 3 decades?
pretty sure they wouldn't have stuck with them for so long if they were unreliable or incapable of crossing country where tracks dont exist in virtually any climate...

In the end only replaced by a german purpose built fkn land submarine on steroids so there ya go....

i'm sure they would have replaced them sooner if they had the money to do so at the time

[Landynut]

be nice if people could debate pro's and con's without slinging insults really, bit of a shame people cannot share information without antagonism....

if you want to browse 4x4's and see what they are capable of without getting "opinion" mixed up in it, try youtube....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cz1BpbsbFkA&feature=grec_index

you will find all sorts on there and it will give you an idea of how a vehicle will match your driving style, and what you want it to do etc.... and video doesn't lie

I will concede most 4wd's their pros except hiluxes.. I've had plenty of hiluxes follow me into tracks, none of them ever got very far before getting stuck... sure there are luxes out there with chopped chassis', lockers, lift and $2k tyres but hell - spend a bunch of money on any 4wd and it will outstrip most stock ones...

talk to your local 4wd clubs for tyres - I picked up a set of 32x11.5 bf goodrich mudders with about 80% tread for $300...
a mate has got a set wanting to go to a good home for $500 but they are 33x12.5 wrangler mtr's and about 75% tread...