terrano steering problem,

[nizmo]

hi all, me and my mate have nissan terranos, we have had problems with idler arms bening, we have made braces for them but now the tie rod ends are bending, does anyone know off bigger ones off something else that will fit,

[sibainmud]

Mate, they are the shear point
No bigger one's around, but you can get bigger tapers on 94+.
I'm going to take a wild guess......Have both of you wound up your torsion bars?
Excess angles bend the tie rods at will.
I carry both tie rods in the back as spares
And carry these,


It takes less than five minutes to change them.

Welcome to D21's

Cheers,

[nizmo]

Mate, they are the shear point
No bigger one's around, but you can get bigger tapers on 94+.
I'm going to take a wild guess......Have both of you wound up your torsion bars?
Excess angles bend the tie rods at will.
I carry both tie rods in the back as spares
And carry these,


It takes less than five minutes to change them.

Welcome to D21's

mate has wound his and i just took the sag out of mine, he is forever bending shit, me not so much, thanks, i can get tie rod ends for $20 so ill carry a few, i dont guess patrol ones have the same taper or has all the homework been done


Cheers,

[u13turbo]

How ruff do you have to be to damage them like this? Is a 2" torsoin lift to much for them to handle?

[Crash bandicoot]

the acuter the angle the more leverage placed on it. so yes, the higher the lift the easier it is to bend them.

if you want to stop this happening you need to raise the outer mounting for the tie rod so it is more in line with the inner mounting. this is where you would beef up the suspension, not at the weakest link.

[nizmo]

well my mate has wound up his and we were just mucking round on the weekend and went throught a idler arm and 2x tie rod ends

[u13turbo]

well my mate has wound up his and we were just mucking round on the weekend and went throught a idler arm and 2x tie rod ends

Fak.. If only terranos had strong front ends.....

[terranoman31]

im the silly bugger that bends tie rods guess i play a lil too hard lol

[sibainmud]

I play hard too, but the more I do, the less steering stuff I bend.
I would say that the dreaded "drag link roll" is to blame too.
I did a few mods, and the problem went away

Cheers,

[u13turbo]

I play hard too, but the more I do, the less steering stuff I bend.
I would say that the dreaded "drag link roll" is to blame too.
I did a few mods, and the problem went away

Cheers,

I'll have to talk to you once i get a manual terrano.

[SP450andLE]

I play hard too, but the more I do, the less steering stuff I bend.
I would say that the dreaded "drag link roll" is to blame too.
I did a few mods, and the problem went away

Cheers,

I'll have to talk to you once i get a manual terrano.

All this talk about Terrano's breaking, yet you still want one?

Some people you just can't convert...

[sibainmud]

They are cheap, an common as muck
They an't no tuff truck
Easier to get bits for (than a lada)
Some running repairs are needed, that is a given.
Terranos have lots of un-taped potential, but when you come to the end of the horse power hunt and can't fit any bigger tires underneath, the steering is the "achilles heal".
Good entry level trucks
Hey, I still have one
Cheers,

[SP450andLE]

Hey, Lada's are easy to get parts for if you live in Russia

But spares come in the form of a whole vehicle, most commonly under 1 grand

[Drurban]

Terrano's are all good, have you been passeger in one very comfortably ride I must say given how hard a time it is put through.

Cheers

[SP450andLE]

very comfortably ride

Even if the grab handle does come off

But yeah, I respect them.

[u13turbo]

very comfortably ride

Even if the jesus handle does come off

But yeah, I respect them.

[sibainmud]

very comfortably ride

Even if the jesus handle does come off

But yeah, I respect them.

Thanx M8.
Jesus works better for me

[nizmo]

They are cheap, an common as muck
They an't no tuff truck
Easier to get bits for (than a lada)
Some running repairs are needed, that is a given.
Terranos have lots of un-taped potential, but when you come to the end of the horse power hunt and can't fit any bigger tires underneath, the steering is the "achilles heal".
Good entry level trucks
Hey, I still have one
Cheers,

cheap is about right, i managed to pick up a complete running one same colour engine gear box as mine for $600 off trade me,

[u13turbo]

They are cheap, an common as muck
They an't no tuff truck
Easier to get bits for (than a lada)
Some running repairs are needed, that is a given.
Terranos have lots of un-taped potential, but when you come to the end of the horse power hunt and can't fit any bigger tires underneath, the steering is the "achilles heal".
Good entry level trucks
Hey, I still have one
Cheers,

cheap is about right, i managed to pick up a complete running one same colour engine gear box as mine for $600 off trade me,

Is it dereg or something?

[nizmo]

yeh de reg but i only want it for parts, we drove it back from auckland last night (6 hours) ran like a clock,

[terranoman31]

hey everyone just thought i would share what i have found online showing what people in south africa have done to improve there drag links and tierods have a look
http://www.nissan4x4.co.za/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=821&PN=0&TPN=1

[kiwipete]

hey everyone just thought i would share what i have found online showing what people in south africa have done to improve there drag links and tierods have a look
http://www.nissan4x4.co.za/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=821&PN=0&TPN=1

I remember reading about the Massey Ferguson ball joints a long time ago, you have since reminded me of this mod.
It may be worth seriously looking at this modification. I will have to read the whole thread over the weekend.............

[terranoman31]

happy to help just need to figure out what way im gonna strnghthen my steering so many options

[kiwipete]

happy to help just need to figure out what way im gonna strnghthen my steering so many options

I still like the Calmini system, but combine that with the Massey Ferguson TRE's and you have a winner!

What's your thoughts Simon?

[sibainmud]

Hmm......I can confirm the draglink works. I made a variant of this some time ago and it has worked well. However, 2 years later at warrant time, I have to re-engineer (or have done for me ) a new version 2. After scrolling through the pics, I see others around the world have done the same, could of saved myself a whole heap of thinking by seeing these a couple of years ago

Welding the idler is a bit extreme but with the idler shaft braced and upgraded bushes the tie rod ends are the weak link, so the tractor thing looks petty cool
Terranos have two different size tapers, all the ball joints on draglink and on the tie rods can be classed as big or small, small being the most common. I have been thinking of going to the large tapered tie rods on the inners, as the small ones last about 3 or 4 trips before they wear to the point of being unwofable
Still a bit torn between up-grading or leaving the fuse point the tie rods offer
Cheers,

[kiwipete]

Hmm......I can confirm the draglink works. I made a variant of this some time ago and it has worked well. However, 2 years later at warrant time, I have to re-engineer (or have done for me ) a new version 2. After scrolling through the pics, I see others around the world have done the same, could of saved myself a whole heap of thinking by seeing these a couple of years ago

Welding the idler is a bit extreme but with the idler shaft braced and upgraded bushes the tie rod ends are the weak link, so the tractor thing looks petty cool
Terranos have two different size tapers, all the ball joints on draglink and on the tie rods can be classed as big or small, small being the most common. I have been thinking of going to the large tapered tie rods on the inners, as the small ones last about 3 or 4 trips before they wear to the point of being unwofable
Still a bit torn between up-grading or leaving the fuse point the tie rods offer
Cheers,

So, your new centre link is WOFable now?
I am still thinking hard of importing a Calmini centre link, Pitman and Idler arm for a RHD truck and going with that. I would leave the TRE's as std as they are relatively cheap and easy to replace.
I am thinking the Tractor ones as good as they are, make for a lot of work as removing the hubs is also needed.

[u13turbo]

Hmm......I can confirm the draglink works. I made a variant of this some time ago and it has worked well. However, 2 years later at warrant time, I have to re-engineer (or have done for me ) a new version 2. After scrolling through the pics, I see others around the world have done the same, could of saved myself a whole heap of thinking by seeing these a couple of years ago

Welding the idler is a bit extreme but with the idler shaft braced and upgraded bushes the tie rod ends are the weak link, so the tractor thing looks petty cool
Terranos have two different size tapers, all the ball joints on draglink and on the tie rods can be classed as big or small, small being the most common. I have been thinking of going to the large tapered tie rods on the inners, as the small ones last about 3 or 4 trips before they wear to the point of being unwofable
Still a bit torn between up-grading or leaving the fuse point the tie rods offer
Cheers,

So, your new centre link is WOFable now?
I am still thinking hard of importing a Calmini centre link, Pitman and Idler arm for a RHD truck and going with that. I would leave the TRE's as std as they are relatively cheap and easy to replace.
I am thinking the Tractor ones as good as they are, make for a lot of work as removing the hubs is also needed.

Im going to have to start getting all the measurements etc for the braces etc. Havnt bent or broken anything yet, But guessing i will with 2" lift and 31's? i drive it pretty hard.

[sibainmud]

I thought I would dredge up this thread to post some new pics of the modified drag link that Sketchey made.
As requested by PM, here they are.























Cheers,

[calez]

any chance you could mail me the messurements of the sleeve and how much the draglink was milled out.

[sibainmud]

One is machined to fit the other.
Mill out to a nominal size that achieves a straight hole and machine the slug to suit.

some txt that came with the blurry pics;

Finally had enough of trying to rip the arse out of the centre link in my Terrano steering so machined up a custom setup after wrecking a link every trip.

starting with the stock bar with old joints ground out
One end machined out so that it is 18mm thick with a 25.00mm hole through the middle for the bronze bush to seat in.
Turning down the new center spigot, using 4145 high carbon tool steel
The assembly with phosphor bronze bushes in place
I did hit some problema fitting the new link, as either my pitman arm or idler arm were bent and didn't travel in the same arc so bound up when turning, so it took me a while to square that up and in the end still had to shim one end to get it all level, but overall really happy with the job, she's solid as a rock now, and according to the stress analysis in Solidworks I will tear the steering box out of the chassis before I bend or damage this thing!

Took 3 hours total machine time (incl setup) and about 2 hours to set up in the truck. Still cant believe how bad Nissan cocked this one up