Aussie needs help with PTO shaft-3"dump pipe clearance

Gnu · Post by **Gnu** » Sun Apr 17, 2011 9:55 pm

G'day fellas, I've had a PTO winch setup sitting in the shed for a while now wating to be fitted up, However I'm having trouble finding any info/pics on if there will be and clearance issues with a lowmount turbo setup (dts) running a 3 inch dump pipe. As the PTOs are very rare over here. And to make matters worse mine is a series 2 (late 95) Patrol which don't have the PTO plate on the side of the box, it's cast in the gearcase but they were not finished off at the factory (no hole and no bolt threds).
So this means eather swapping to a series 1 Gearbox which I can arange, or somehow drilling and tapping the side of the box on the PTO blank and cutting the hole for the gear (sounds to hard)
So realy I need to Know how you go fitting the PTO shaft etc with a 3" Dump pipe off a low mount turbo before I attempt any of that???
Any Pics would be fantastic. Then I can way up if it's one for to hard basket and sell the lot and just go a tricked up highmount.
Cheers guys

coxsy · Post by **coxsy** » Sun Apr 17, 2011 10:01 pm

well need to do the same soon but mine already has the pto but not the turbo, Patrol forum any help at all

http://www.patrol4x4.com/forum/nissan-p ... 2-t-41894/

Gnu · Post by **Gnu** » Sun Apr 17, 2011 10:47 pm

coxsy wrote:well need to do the same soon but mine already has the pto but not the turbo, Patrol forum any help at all

http://www.patrol4x4.com/forum/nissan-p ... 2-t-41894/

Nar Mate I've spent hours searching all the Aussie Forums I can think of, Patrol4x4, Outerlimits, Mudrhino etc.. Was hoping I could get some help form NZ as I know you blokes have heaps of PTO stuff over there...
Cheers

meece4x4 · Post by **meece4x4** » Mon Apr 18, 2011 9:08 am

Gnu wrote:
coxsy wrote:well need to do the same soon but mine already has the pto but not the turbo, Patrol forum any help at all

http://www.patrol4x4.com/forum/nissan-p ... 2-t-41894/

Nar Mate I've spent hours searching all the Aussie Forums I can think of, Patrol4x4, Outerlimits, Mudrhino etc.. Was hoping I could get some help form NZ as I know you blokes have heaps of PTO stuff over there...
Cheers

Cant help you much other than to say theres farkall room between the factory manifold and PTO shaft on Mine (like around 10mm) and thats with the standard Non Turbo'd manifold.

Im guessing it that it would be easier to fit the PTO first then build/modify the exhaust around the PTO shaft. can supply photos of a standard non turbo setup if you want

Terry · Post by **Terry** » Mon Apr 18, 2011 9:59 am

I had a bit of a job fitting mine with 2.5" extractors and PTO - only extractors believed to fit were the Rage ones made here in christchurch - the pacemaker ones certainly didn't... Even so it needed a bit of cut n'shut to force it in, and it's mighty close to the clutch slave cylinder - they seem to fail every 2-3 years, I suspect it's the heat (I have wrapped the exhaust, hasn't failed in the last 3 years, so maybe that's sorted it). Wouldn't like to try and fit 3" in there, I'd definitely agree with meece on fitting the PTO first then working the exhaust around it - you can't bend the PTO around! Things to try might be use 2 2" pipes (same flow as 1 3") or flatten the 3" to about 2" by 4"? Maybe route the dump pipe around the engine and down the other side?

On the plus side, I read somewhere that some of the later gearboxes had the PTO cover fitted (mainly cab chassis units) and some didn't, so you might be able to find a swap somewhere.

It's definitely worth doing if you can, these things out-pull any non-competition electric winch, and do it all day (provided the engines running yadda yadda) and faster too (I use mine mainly for log recovery, but it's OK for small stuff like landcruisers too).

It's well worth moving the winch mounting back and up a bit of you can (body lift really helps) as otherwise you wind up with a huge platform on the front of the truck.
a tip for later - don't use hypoid oil in these, they need a 600 weight heavy gear oil.

Theres a few photos of the front end at http://s681.photobucket.com/albums/vv177/tel1nz/ I've tried a few underneath but my phone's crap and it's raining. If you can't get anything I'll borrow a camera tonight and try again. good luck, Terry

darinz · Post by **darinz** » Mon Apr 18, 2011 11:28 am

I got my first turbo second off a truck with a pto. It was a Safari kit with 3" downpipe and they had modified the down pipe to fit around the pto shatft. So there is room but not a somple option.

monstr · Post by **monstr** » Mon Apr 18, 2011 3:30 pm

Hi Mate its quite do able What we did was cut a quarter moon shape out of the pipe and replated it for the pto shaft to run through ,ran it like that for nearly 4 years on a comp truck with no issues untill we rear mounted the winches. from my experence the pto is far better for long hard pulls will keep going all day but like most winches they have their limits ,the way we look at it is if you think you would struggle with an electric winch then we double line it ,for short technical winching i prefer the electric ,and during comps we will quite often use that rather than the pto .
Cheers Steve

jeremy · Post by **jeremy** » Mon Apr 18, 2011 4:12 pm

We have a 3" pipe with a standard PTO setup, and it works fine. Although ours is a dynamic turbochargers kit (which I think is a different company from dts?).

Gnu · Post by **Gnu** » Mon Apr 18, 2011 8:46 pm

jeremy wrote:We have a 3" pipe with a standard PTO setup, and it works fine. Although ours is a dynamic turbochargers kit (which I think is a different company from dts?).

Hi Jeremy yeah dts is dynamic turbo systems so that's a good start, their now called MTQ tho. Mate if you could get some pic's up of how your exhaust is run around the PTO shaft that would be such a help, also does your truck run a body lift?? Cutting the half moon out is what I've heard of but was trying to avoid.
Thanks heaps for all your replys guy's and Terry that bar looks the goods, Altho my winch itself is a thomas made in Brisbane Queensland, bit different to the nissan one and common over here on tojo's but not nissan's I'll put some pics up soon.
Cheers

Gnu · Post by **Gnu** » Mon Apr 18, 2011 10:05 pm

jeremy · Post by **jeremy** » Mon Apr 18, 2011 11:19 pm

Gnu wrote:

I'll see what I can do about a quick photo.

crazyclark31 · Post by **crazyclark31** » Tue Apr 19, 2011 1:26 am

if you run the dump sraigth down and around the clutch slave cylinder you should be able to run pto shaft through the gap. You will have to lengthen the bracket that attaches to the engine mount though.its actually realy easy to sort
Mine is about 50mm longer and have got tonnes of room.this was done when the lukey extracors went on.
doesn't affect the running of the winch at all. I done heaps of winching with mine with about halve of them at high speed (i.e engine doing 3500-4000 rpm) and 30 metres averge.
Would be easier to change to g/box with blanking plate.Less likely to have fittment probs that way.
will post some pics in the tomrrow.

ps. dunno bout the thomas winch but i run a toyota pto winch on my gq. Its waayyy faster than a nissan one.(and seems to be stronger)

coxsy · Post by **coxsy** » Tue Apr 19, 2011 4:35 pm

have a thomas winch on the fj40

crazyclark31 · Post by **crazyclark31** » Tue Apr 19, 2011 10:16 pm

here you go mate. First pic is the lengthined bracket

this is of there clearance of the shaft and the dump.

Hope this helps

Gnu · Post by **Gnu** » Thu Apr 21, 2011 1:33 am

crazyclark31 wrote:here you go mate. First pic is the lengthined bracket

this is of there clearance of the shaft and the dump.
Hope this helps

Cool thanks mate, you seam to have plenty of room. Is that a "U" pipe turbo setup off the std manifold??

crazyclark31 · Post by **crazyclark31** » Mon May 09, 2011 1:40 pm

sorry for late reply.
Yeh it is. Made from 50mm dia steam pipe. have got 2 90deg bends coming out of manifold which join into another 90deg bend to form the "U" then have a twisting pipe upto the turbo.Top of turbo sits slightly(30mm) higher than the top of the tappet cover.
turbo is centred with the motor(middle of turb is middle of motor

Dump pipe is a 3in mandrel bend into 3in pipe. Have got bout 25mm between pipe and firewall.

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