35's not big enough.

petefj40 · Post by **petefj40** » Mon May 23, 2011 5:24 pm

I haven't done a lot of research. So I thought I'd ask here first.
Maybe someone's already been down the track I'm about to embark on?

I'm looking for bigger tyres for my buggy. I'm not sure what size or what kind of dosh I'll have to part with for them yet. But I'm going sell my 35 inch Silverstones once I find the right tyre to replace them with. There's still plenty of tread left on them. I'm even thinking of selling my 35 inch Simex rubber as well. Plenty of tread left there too.

What should I go for? 40 inch?
I'm not happy with the clearance under the diff with both sets of 35's.

Thanks in advance for any help.

Pete.

ClassicCruiserSpares · Mon May 23, 2011 5:35 pm

Depends on what your actually going to use your buggy for the most? 40" is bit of a waste of time if your going to do trials and winch challange because they have tyre size limits plus you want it lowish and stable on side leans, 40" tyres are great if your turning your buggy into a rock crawler, Simex and silverstones are the best you can get if you want mud tyres.
They all have a time and place.

KIWI_TERRANO · Post by **KIWI_TERRANO** » Mon May 23, 2011 5:39 pm

Might be keen on one of you sets of tyres mate give me a pm with price and if they have rims when your keen to sell

petefj40 · Post by **petefj40** » Mon May 23, 2011 5:41 pm

I understand Jase. Look at how low mine sits to everyone else's at the top of the worselys last week. I was sick of hitting everything With the diff when most others hit nothing. I want a change.

turoa · Post by **turoa** » Mon May 23, 2011 5:44 pm

The best thing for you would be a set of 36" Iroks. Anything bigger will start to require a bit of modification for your beater. :wink:

Talk to rick cause I know hes looking at importing a few sets from the states soon. They are one farkn awesome tyre.

Failing that, 37" trepadors are pretty good aswell but they require a 17" rim which isnt really a problem if you're wanting some blingin rims

40's will be waaaayyy to big for your buggy. Diffs too small, not fitting, too higher geared radi radi rah

ClassicCruiserSpares · Mon May 23, 2011 5:47 pm

Everyone else had 35" except nibby and his are 37s, silverstone 35" are almost a 34" tyre. My 35" simex on the 40 measure up as 36".
A mate of mine has my old 36" simex and there the same size as Nibbys 37" wranglers.
I think 36 simex would be the go on your buggy.

petefj40 · Post by **petefj40** » Mon May 23, 2011 5:51 pm

Mine is the one in the middle. The lowest one of the bunch, Jase.

I think I'll look into that Turoa.
The rubber I have just doesn't cut it.

petefj40 · Post by **petefj40** » Mon May 23, 2011 5:52 pm

ClassicCruiserSpares wrote:I think 36 simex would be the go on your buggy.

I've already got a set of them Jase. And I rate the silverstones over those. Mind you. I own the 3 knob ones.

petefj40 · Post by **petefj40** » Mon May 23, 2011 5:55 pm

KIWI_TERRANO wrote:Might be keen on one of you sets of tyres mate give me a pm with price and if they have rims when your keen to sell

You and a few others I'd guess.
To be fair. I'd want the most I can get for them. So I'll let you know when the auction starts.

Cheers.

ClassicCruiserSpares · Mon May 23, 2011 6:00 pm

petefj40 wrote:
ClassicCruiserSpares wrote:I think 36 simex would be the go on your buggy.

I've already got a set of them Jase. And I rate the silverstones over those. Mind you. I own the 3 knob ones.

The silverstones have got alot more grip than the 36" agreed but they dont have height, your not going to get a tyre that can match the grip of a silverstone and have the height of a 37" or 40" thats what you need to wiegh up, Grip or height? or settle in the middle. Thats just my 2c

churchill · Post by **churchill** » Mon May 23, 2011 6:09 pm

How much money do you have?

http://www.benzworld.org/forums/unimog/1525937-bolt-portals.html

This might be an answer if your loaded...

taz01 · Post by **taz01** » Mon May 23, 2011 6:22 pm

i got 37s almost new for sale ............
http://www.offroadexpress.co.nz/Forums/ ... 15&t=25538

redz driver · Post by **redz driver** » Mon May 23, 2011 6:22 pm

How about some 37" creepy crawlers Pete just got some for my new truck

rokhound · Post by **rokhound** » Mon May 23, 2011 6:43 pm

You don't want to go anywhere near a heavy side wall tyre (like creepys) on your buggy Pete.
What are you trying to acheive? Do you want more clearnace so you can play in mud and slop, or do you want more so you can tackle some adventure tracks? Playing in muddy shiat doesn't tend to bend housings etc but hitting a tree root or rock certainly can

Unfortunatly 4wd comps of any sort in the sth isalnd are very thin on the ground, (currently anyway) so setting up solely for those is a bit of a waste of time down here.
Be honset about what you want to do, there could be other options to bigger boots but not many, (portals, housing shave, offset axle tubes etc) and they can get really pricey.

skid · Post by **skid** » Mon May 23, 2011 8:03 pm

rokhound wrote:You don't want to go anywhere near a heavy side wall tyre (like creepys) on your buggy Pete.
What are you trying to acheive? Do you want more clearnace so you can play in mud and slop, or do you want more so you can tackle some adventure tracks? Playing in muddy shiat doesn't tend to bend housings etc but hitting a tree root or rock certainly can

Unfortunatly 4wd comps of any sort in the sth isalnd are very thin on the ground, (currently anyway) so setting up solely for those is a bit of a waste of time down here.
Be honset about what you want to do, there could be other options to bigger boots but not many, (portals, housing shave, offset axle tubes etc) and they can get really pricey.

wot he said

if you are sad because your truck looked tiny in the group photo, then you have to look at why it was built etc etc

if you want a crawler like dem other boys, then you may need to look at a whole new truck

but yeah, evaluate everything, then forget about the forum, then get hold of Rok, Nibby, Turoa, Hosehustler, Rick and anyone else whos opinion you value. Invite them round to your pad, put on some beers and a feed and they will soon tell you where you need to be going with your vehicle :mrgreen:

niblik · Post by **niblik** » Mon May 23, 2011 8:09 pm

ClassicCruiserSpares wrote:A mate of mine has my old 36" simex and there the same size as Nibbys 37" wranglers.
I think 36 simex would be the go on your buggy.

i was really surprised too..get some 2 blockers of these on either the 16 or 15 inch sized rims.. theyre larger than quoted.. someone will clarify.. in that way you'll have the same diff clearance as us and mud clearing ability.

then get the selectable locker in the front and get pedalling her and you'll be sweet as a nut.. :wink:

wjw · Post by **wjw** » Mon May 23, 2011 9:20 pm

my triple block 35" simex's were 35.8" new....

MNC · Post by **MNC** » Mon May 23, 2011 9:20 pm

ClassicCruiserSpares wrote:... silverstone 35" are almost a 34" tyre. ...

This is the main reason for your diff clearance frustration.

Get a price for a set of IROKs and then after you get back up off the ground you should buy a set of 36" Super Swampers - and luckily I have a set for sale at a very reasonable price:

http://www.offroadexpress.co.nz/Forums/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=25773

This will give you another 2" over the silverstones and yet not cause any of the problems mentioned by the other guys (diff gearing etc)

rangimotors · Post by **rangimotors** » Mon May 23, 2011 9:37 pm

what don't you like about the tripple block simex 36's? i loved them. You are right that the silverstone and the twin block simex clear better in the mud but with the power/wheel speed you have and the extra diff height you would gain from throwing on the 36's I think they are worth a shot. Since you already have them, try them out and see how you go. Very easy to go out with other guys and always want what they have but in other situations your set up would have been better so don't get suckered into the grass is always greener and spend thousands on something u don't need.

petefj40 · Post by **petefj40** » Mon May 23, 2011 9:45 pm

rokhound wrote:You don't want to go anywhere near a heavy side wall tyre (like creepys) on your buggy Pete.
What are you trying to acheive? Do you want more clearnace so you can play in mud and slop, or do you want more so you can tackle some adventure tracks? Playing in muddy shiat doesn't tend to bend housings etc but hitting a tree root or rock certainly can

Unfortunatly 4wd comps of any sort in the sth isalnd are very thin on the ground, (currently anyway) so setting up solely for those is a bit of a waste of time down here.
Be honset about what you want to do, there could be other options to bigger boots but not many, (portals, housing shave, offset axle tubes etc) and they can get really pricey.

I'm trying to be honest here rok.
All I want is more diff clearance. But I understand the taller I go the higher I go in ratio. I notice a big difference in get up and go between the 35 inch Silverstones, or what someone pointed out, the near 34 inch Silverstones and the 35 inch Simexs, which is closer to a 36 inch size tyre. The taller, the less grunt under the pedal. I get that. (hmmm change diff head ratio)

I guess I'm wanting the best of both worlds.
But I am lucky coz I have two sets of bead lock 15 inch rims..
It would be good to have two totally different sets of rubber for two different types of applications on ONE truck. :roll:

petefj40 · Post by **petefj40** » Mon May 23, 2011 9:52 pm

rangimotors wrote:what don't you like about the tripple block simex 36's? i loved them. You are right that the silverstone and the twin block simex clear better in the mud but with the power/wheel speed you have and the extra diff height you would gain from throwing on the 36's I think they are worth a shot. Since you already have them, try them out and see how you go. Very easy to go out with other guys and always want what they have but in other situations your set up would have been better so don't get suckered into the grass is always greener and spend thousands on something u don't need.

I like the height of the Simex rubber, I have tried them out. But the tripple block don't seem to clear as good as the double block silverstones. It's trying to get the best of both worlds I guess.

petefj40 · Post by **petefj40** » Mon May 23, 2011 9:55 pm

niblik wrote:then get the selectable locker in the front and get pedalling her and you'll be sweet as a nut..

I hear ya there nibs.
Another button to push. :shock:

petefj40 · Post by **petefj40** » Mon May 23, 2011 10:01 pm

skid wrote:if you are sad because your truck looked tiny in the group photo, then you have to look at why it was built etc etc

if you want a crawler like dem other boys, then you may need to look at a whole new truck

but yeah, evaluate everything, then forget about the forum, then get hold of Rok, Nibby, Turoa, Hosehustler, Rick and anyone else whos opinion you value. Invite them round to your pad, put on some beers and a feed and they will soon tell you where you need to be going with your vehicle

I like your way of thinking skid. :wink:

(we have to have a beer one day)

Yeah. Lined up against the other big trucks. I did feel like my penis was smaller than everyone elses. :cry:

That just doesn't sit well with me.

Thanks for all the feed back guys.
Hey. It's me and bros birthday party this Saturday. Feel free to pop over for a beer and a chat. :mrgreen:

We can talk about rubbers. :shock:

new2zukes · Post by **new2zukes** » Mon May 23, 2011 10:58 pm

just a little note not sure if you have done this or not but if you shave the diff head you will be gaining about 2 inches in tire size and you dont have less power and you dont dig as big ruts

should make everyone happy if this isnt your fancy then my suggestion on tires would be 37 maxxis creepies as you have plenty of hp and the truck is light weight and remember there is such thing as too much grip (bang) :lol:

Jafa · Post by **Jafa** » Tue May 24, 2011 8:16 am

I offer some advice from someone who already has a set of 40" Iroks ,and used them on just about all types of terrain. From what I've seen Pete, you are not the sort of driver that is into technical, take the slow gnarly line type of driving, you perfer to hit the loud pedal and hear that v8 sing

Now this isnt my cup of tea, and thats fine, dont get me wrong, you like what you like lol. Simexes or similar are the go for your wagon for the following reasons. You have lots of power, and like to use it, 40" tires you WILL break stuff, cv's all day axles, diffs, blah blah blah. Want to spend all your time fixing it on the side of the track?, 40's are very differcult to steer with, you will lose turning ability, and they dont go that well in the mud, compared to pedes, they are after all a rock crawling tire, nowhere near the tread depth of a simex etc either. Iroks are very soft, you will tear them to pieces in no time, I have a little 4cyl powering mine and they are nearly shot :cry:

To get them to really work well, you run them at very low pressures, and get them to bag, which reults in less diff clearance. You lack height in your buggy... thats a GOOD thing lol. Get your diff housing shaved and you'll gain clearance, put some 36" pedes on it and you'll gain even more clearance. Stick a locker in it so you have proper 4wd and you'll go miles better. It stands to reason that triple blocks wont clear as well as 2 blocks, but with power it works, if its clearance you want, then forsake a little clearing ability is fine. If you keep banging your diff head into things, then take a different line, get to know where abouts your diffs are when you are sitting in the truck, and make the appropriate adjustments to the line. Your spotter should be letting you know when you are going to bang into something too :lol:

looks like Tim's was having smoko :lol:

You probably wont be doing much rock crawling with the buggy, so dont worry when crawlers go better than you, remember you have a trials buggy, not a crawler. If you want a crawler on the other hand, I know someone who has a quite capable one thats still up for sale :lol:

my 2c..... :mrgreen:

De-Ranged · Post by **De-Ranged** » Tue May 24, 2011 8:33 am

I'm with jafa do the axles if you want more.... I'm putting alot of effort to stay on 35"s so I'm funking with my axles to the max.... watch my build thread :twisted:

the porn is coming
Your trials buggy has two good pionts over the others in the pic your a shorter wheelbase with a better turning circle, and your center of gravity is lower so your more stable... go to a bigger wheel and you start to loose these advantages
The other thing going from silver/simex to a less agressive tyre your going to loose the mud clearing performance your used to... and I get the impression is important to you
Sent you a PM that might interest :wink:

Cheers Reece

petefj40 · Post by **petefj40** » Tue May 24, 2011 8:37 am

Jafa wrote:From what I've seen Pete, you are not the sort of driver that is into technical, take the slow gnarly line type of driving, you perfer to hit the loud pedal and hear that v8 sing Now this isnt my cup of tea, and thats fine, dont get me wrong, you like what you like lol.

I get your points Jafa and I take em on board.
Sure, I like to hit the loud pedal. But when I was out with the boys last, I had a ball. And I hardly even hit the loud pedal at all. :wink:

(that wasn't meant to rhyme) :roll:

I appreciate the feedback.
After reading the comments, 40 inch rubber won't be an option.
I'll be looking at 37's and maybe some mods to the diff housing as well as a locker in the front.
I've also got to design and build some protection for the steering ram. It was getting a bash the last time I was out.

Drive line or approach to hazards is something I'm slowly getting better at. The more I take it out and learn the better I'll get at knowing my truck.

petefj40 · Post by **petefj40** » Tue May 24, 2011 8:41 am

De-Ranged wrote:I'm with jafa do the axles if you want more.... I'm putting alot of effort to stay on 35"s so I'm funking with my axles to the max.... watch my build thread the porn is coming
Your trials buggy has two good pionts over the others in the pic your a shorter wheelbase with a better turning circle, and your center of gravity is lower so your more stable... go to a bigger wheel and you start to loose these advantages
The other thing going from silver/simex to a less agressive tyre your going to loose the mud clearing performance your used to... and I get the impression is important to you
Sent you a PM that might interest

Cheers Reece

Cheers Reece.

Smurf · Post by **Smurf** » Tue May 24, 2011 8:51 am

petefj40 wrote:Drive line or approach to hazards is something I'm slowly getting better at. The more I take it out and learn the better I'll get at knowing my truck.

I'm not a pro but this is the key if you ask me. (You didn't but I'll say it anyway :-)

)
Get to know your truck and how to pick good lines when tackling obstacles.
Then decide what mods will make a difference to the truck and your driving style.
In the mean time shave the diffs and add a locker, you can't go wrong there.

petefj40 · Post by **petefj40** » Tue May 24, 2011 9:12 am

Smurf wrote:
petefj40 wrote:Drive line or approach to hazards is something I'm slowly getting better at. The more I take it out and learn the better I'll get at knowing my truck.

I'm not a pro but this is the key if you ask me. (You didn't but I'll say it anyway )
Get to know your truck and how to pick good lines when tackling obstacles.
Then decide what mods will make a difference to the truck and your driving style.
In the mean time shave the diffs and add a locker, you can't go wrong there.

You're right. Driving style is a biggie. But I'm enjoying the learning curve. I've always done things ass about face. e.g. "all the gear and no idea". :lol:

But no matter how good I'll know my truck, I still want protection from munting that steering ram.

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