97 kzn185 ABS and Air Bags

[vvilly]

Help required.


i am looking at removing the Air bags so i fit a Iron man bar to the front now dont quote me but NZ LTSA rules say along the lines of after 14 years Air Bags and all the componentry that run them can be removed from a vehicle has anyone done this yet for a bit more knowledge on this.Also ABS what is the law with this if a vehicle has it can i remove it.


all of this will become clear in the next few weeks

[churchill]

I've discussed this with a certifier and he said that a vehicle over 14 years can have the airbags removed. He said that he physically needs to see a space where the air bag used to be so just pulling the fuse is not good enough. It needs to be certified as well.

For the ABS, I usually just pull the fuse out when I'm off road and put it back in on road, it's saved an accident once already. I'm not sure of the legal ramifications associated with removing the ABS.

[KIWI_TERRANO]

I dont know the law behind the air bags but the abs.

We had two 100 series on the farm and they had switchs on the abs ,as one of our first rolled 4 times after it kicked in coming down a hill.

Dont know if its legal

[Smurf]

http://www.nzta.govt.nz/resources/rules ... dation.pdf

Section 2.4 air bags.

This currently on their website but it is dated 2001 so I don't know if the law has been changed.
I am interested in this also as it means being able to fit a non airbag compliant bull bar.
It does state it would need to be certified though.


http://www.nzta.govt.nz/resources/virm- ... cation.pdf

5.6 Airbags, states the airbag in a vehicle over 14 years old can be removed or disabled, but must be certified.

[mudlva]

hummm very interesting

[vvilly]

yup so im happy as with the air bags the only one in the surf is in the steering wheel and a case of follow the bright yellow wire.



now ABS can i remove it from a vehicle completely ifso what will the consequences be, ie will anything else fail due to this? will i require Cert as well, Or the big one am i allowed?

[rokhound]

Hey Jase. I think you will find that all iron man bars for that model will be air bag compatable anyway, well the one I just bought for the playdoh sure was...

1st time I have ever brought a bullbar in my life

[vvilly]

yeah i already chased that up Grant but for me id rather have some room under the bonnet for other stuff i had a talk to you at Petes B'day about my thoughts and rick and i have spent a few hours going through with some ideas im stuck with the ABS now thats all

[wjw]

If you remove the airbag, you need to fill the cavity with an impact absorbing material. You may also need to replace the seat belts, as the seat belts are designed to work with the airbag. There is a factsheet I bumped into yesterday on the LTSA website about it, but can't find it now

[wjw]

Found it! Only took me 1/2 hour...ggrrr

Removal of airbags

2.3(2) A vehicle fitted by the vehicle manufacturer with an airbag may have the airbag removed, provided that the vehicle has reached 14 years of age or more, and:

(a) the airbag and its related systems and components are removed by a person who can provide assurance to the low volume vehicle certifier that he or she possesses the necessary skills and experience to carry out the work correctly; and

(b) each seating position affected by the removal of an airbag has the seatbelt replaced by a new seatbelt that meets one or more of the approved standards specified in Schedule 2 of the Land Transport Rule: Seatbelts and Seatbelt Anchorages 2002 (Rule 32011) that is appropriate for use in a seating position not equipped with an airbag; and

(c) any cavity left by the removal of the airbag is filled with a highdensity energy-absorbing material; and

(d) the removal of the airbag is indicated to the occupant in the
affected seating positions by means of:

(i) a label which is permanently attached in a prominent
location where it is clearly visible to any occupant in the
seating position previously protected by the airbag; and

(ii) in the case of factory-installed dashboard warning lights or
any other symbol which indicates the presence of an airbag
or airbags, disabling or removal of the warning light or
symbol; and

(e) the current owner, or authorised representative of the owner, has requested that this action take place by completing the Airbag Removal/Disablement Request Form of the Low Volume Vehicle Technical Association Incorporated; and

(f) the vehicle is certified to the Low Volume Vehicle Code, and a low volume vehicle compliance plate is fitted to the vehicle.

From Here:

http://www.lvvta.org.nz/documents/stand ... Impact.pdf

[KIWI_TERRANO]

Just put the abs on a switch.

Our 200 series on the farm hand them by the gear selector

[Lynx]

yeah youd have to get rid of the seatbelt pre tensioners.

[vvilly]

Found it! Only took me 1/2 hour...ggrrr

Removal of airbags

2.3(2) A vehicle fitted by the vehicle manufacturer with an airbag may have the airbag removed, provided that the vehicle has reached 14 years of age or more, and:

(a) the airbag and its related systems and components are removed by a person who can provide assurance to the low volume vehicle certifier that he or she possesses the necessary skills and experience to carry out the work correctly; and

(b) each seating position affected by the removal of an airbag has the seatbelt replaced by a new seatbelt that meets one or more of the approved standards specified in Schedule 2 of the Land Transport Rule: Seatbelts and Seatbelt Anchorages 2002 (Rule 32011) that is appropriate for use in a seating position not equipped with an airbag; and

(c) any cavity left by the removal of the airbag is filled with a highdensity energy-absorbing material; and

(d) the removal of the airbag is indicated to the occupant in the
affected seating positions by means of:

(i) a label which is permanently attached in a prominent
location where it is clearly visible to any occupant in the
seating position previously protected by the airbag; and

(ii) in the case of factory-installed dashboard warning lights or
any other symbol which indicates the presence of an airbag
or airbags, disabling or removal of the warning light or
symbol; and

(e) the current owner, or authorised representative of the owner, has requested that this action take place by completing the Airbag Removal/Disablement Request Form of the Low Volume Vehicle Technical Association Incorporated; and

(f) the vehicle is certified to the Low Volume Vehicle Code, and a low volume vehicle compliance plate is fitted to the vehicle.

From Here:

http://www.lvvta.org.nz/documents/stand ... Impact.pdf

from what i can tell the only air bag is in the steering wheel so that not a issue, buy a new steering wheel.

[vvilly]

Just put the abs on a switch.

Our 200 series on the farm hand them by the gear selector

it will all become clearer next week when the conformation comes through on the sale of my surf

just bear with me i want to remove the ABS

[LOLYF]

from what i can tell the only air bag is in the steering wheel so that not a issue, buy a new steering wheel.

I don't know if they are all the same but my 96 KZN185 has passenger airbag aswell, If you remove that one you may be able to put the dash covering back in place

[vvilly]

from what i can tell the only air bag is in the steering wheel so that not a issue, buy a new steering wheel.

I don't know if they are all the same but my 96 KZN185 has passenger airbag aswell, If you remove that one you may be able to put the dash covering back in place

yup you are correct
i got the truck back today with new Auto and it does have passenger airbag as well

[KIWI_TERRANO]

from what i can tell the only air bag is in the steering wheel so that not a issue, buy a new steering wheel.

I don't know if they are all the same but my 96 KZN185 has passenger airbag aswell, If you remove that one you may be able to put the dash covering back in place

You see the oz boys that buy the patrols with no airbags open up the passangers side and put cubbys in there ay might be worth a look??

[vvilly]

right as said last week i will explain.


I have at my disposal a prado front end and was going to put it in but having issues with ABS, so thinking of 80 series with a diff cut and slight shorten, using the factory ABS unit in that.

if i can get away with removing the ABS from the kzn185 i would rather use the Prado front end.

so now the question is once again.......

can i/ am i aloud to remove the ABS from the truck

[NJV6]

A friend has done the prado front onto a 185 surf, big job compared to the 130 surf.

But do eet!!! I think they have done away with the ABS but they do run airbags. (as they went off when 4wding!!!)

[vvilly]

A friend has done the prado front onto a 185 surf, big job compared to the 130 surf.

But do eet!!! I think they have done away with the ABS but they do run airbags. (as they went off when 4wding!!!)

can you get me his details

[NJV6]

What do you want to know, I helped.....

You will need.....

KZN130 Sump and pump
KZN130 Trans and transfer case
Prado stg box and shaft (185 is rack n pinion)
A big hammer (for floor mods )

[vvilly]

i was thinking of keeping my trans and transfer case and cutting up the diff and getting a new axle made


is your mates truck certed with the ABS removed

[NJV6]

I am 95% sure, will check next time I see him. Reason for putting the 130 transfer in was because the LH drop ones are weak as and he had already wrecked one. But a 130 transfer doesn't bolt up to a 185 trans (well it bolts up with the splines don't meet)

[vvilly]

I am 95% sure, will check next time I see him. Reason for putting the 130 transfer in was because the LH drop ones are weak as and he had already wrecked one. But a 130 transfer doesn't bolt up to a 185 trans (well it bolts up with the splines don't meet)

ok makes sense if i was to go down the drivers side wouldnt i change the adapter as well (from the rear of the sump on the trans back)

the trans in the girl has center diff lock in it so would be keen to keep that

[NJV6]

Yea problem is thats the bit that breaks...

This one just runs drive flanges on the front and push button 4WD. I didn't do any of the wiring, I can't remember if that was a PITA or not between the 130 and 185 tran's's.

[rokhound]

Yea problem is thats the bit that breaks...

This one just runs drive flanges on the front and push button 4WD. I didn't do any of the wiring, I can't remember if that was a PITA or not between the 130 and 185 tran's's.

Listen to him Jas. The ctr diff is piss weak and if you can ditch it, I would. I have already done a ctr diff in mine and it wasn't under what I would consider to be massive stress.

[vvilly]

Yea problem is thats the bit that breaks...

This one just runs drive flanges on the front and push button 4WD. I didn't do any of the wiring, I can't remember if that was a PITA or not between the 130 and 185 tran's's.

Listen to him Jas. The ctr diff is piss weak and if you can ditch it, I would. I have already done a ctr diff in mine and it wasn't under what I would consider to be massive stress.

yeah mate he just told me in PM, i find out tomorrow about ABS if i can remove it i would save a heap of money and time

[badnuz]

if your doing all those proposed mods, then you will need cert... if your going to be getting a cert anyway, then the abs system can be certified, but it needs to be completly removed (ie new lines etc etc)... thats my understanding for a couple of older cars been done around town in workshops i know...

[vvilly]

if your doing all those proposed mods, then you will need cert... if your going to be getting a cert anyway, then the abs system can be certified, but it needs to be completly removed (ie new lines etc etc)... thats my understanding for a couple of older cars been done around town in workshops i know...

so that is for sure im waiting to hear back from wayne martin in ref to ABS

if i can remove it makes life alot more simple for the job

[KIWI_TERRANO]

Can you put the 80series swivel hubs on the prado diff assuming the abs sensors are in the hubs.

I been stewing over these at what you could do