Sas experts/knowlagable people out there.

[Dirtydog]

So ive decided to throw away the idea of keeping a ifs truck.

I recently brought a new car so i dont have to worry about getting the old truck on the road anytime soon.

i have decided to go for the sas option, mainly so i can have lokka's in the front and rear of the vehicle.

now ive got two options, i can go leaves all round with hilux axles, but that involves cutting up the front diff, making new mounts for front and rear, getting diff flanges adjusted on both ends etc. more off i need someone that knows how to cut up and axle properly.

The other option is using an axle out of a jeep because the pumpkins on the passenger side, and also because it is coil overs.
i wont have to chop up the diff, or any of that, i will only have to do what i would do to put in a solid axle diff in the first place.
best thin is they are the same ratio, but, the downside is they are 5 stud. which kinda massively sucks.

so i need all the information i can get on linkages sway bars, panhard rods etc, preferably by someone that has done it to the ifs navara or terrano.

cheers guys, hope to hear from ya's

[De-Ranged]

I would suggest leaves, simply becouse you can tune them (add/remove leaves to increase/decrease spring rate)
You don't need to worry about suspension geometry and its effects on brake dive, under/over steer etc
And its going to be cheaper than buying and replacing coil springs when they are too hard/soft
As for the axle where are you ?? there are guys on here who can convert hilux axles

Cheers Reece

[Dirtydog]

i live down in gore, southland.

i would prefer coils after driving leaf vehicles vs coils, and im not looking for cheapness, im looking for overall quality. i know im gunna get burnt with the whole nissan not being quality, but hey what can ya say bowt toyota's?

i also want to do about 4 inch worth of sus lift, so id be replacing the rear coils at the same time anyway. aswell as shocks.

[juz]

The below Navara Forum will be your friend, heaps of info on there about SAS'd navaras, a few detailed build ups, they use a Dana 44 Diff in the states to do the Sas on Navaras/Frontiers but there from a 1980-85 Jeep Wagoneer (good luck finding one in NZ) and have also been told there not that strong. But do it! always wanted to do it to my D22, they look sweet!

http://www.navara.asia/

Calmini do a sas kit, although expensive and questionable quality.
http://www.purenissan.com/nissanmain.htm

[ClassicCruiserSpares]

Checkout this truck http://www.offroadexpress.co.nz/Forums/ ... a&start=15
He knows a thing or two about sas navara.

[KIWI_TERRANO]

So ive decided to throw away the idea of keeping a ifs truck.

I recently brought a new car so i dont have to worry about getting the old truck on the road anytime soon.

i have decided to go for the sas option, mainly so i can have lokka's in the front and rear of the vehicle.

now ive got two options, i can go leaves all round with hilux axles, but that involves cutting up the front diff, making new mounts for front and rear, getting diff flanges adjusted on both ends etc. more off i need someone that knows how to cut up and axle properly.

The other option is using an axle out of a jeep because the pumpkins on the passenger side, and also because it is coil overs.
i wont have to chop up the diff, or any of that, i will only have to do what i would do to put in a solid axle diff in the first place.
best thin is they are the same ratio, but, the downside is they are 5 stud. which kinda massively sucks.

so i need all the information i can get on linkages sway bars, panhard rods etc, preferably by someone that has done it to the ifs navara or terrano.

cheers guys, hope to hear from ya's

if you use a jeep diff you need jeep wagoneer hubs, they 6 stud and match the nissan just you want find any here.

I looked at doing my terrano the best diff I found was mq nissan patrol. They are only 2mm skinner than terrano rear diff (assuming it a terrano) just have to cut and swao diff punkin and go coils mate they ride so nice in my opion compered to leafs have experience with both

[haynzy]

i live down in gore, southland.

i would prefer coils after driving leaf vehicles vs coils, and im not looking for cheapness, im looking for overall quality. i know im gunna get burnt with the whole nissan not being quality, but hey what can ya say bowt toyota's?

i also want to do about 4 inch worth of sus lift, so id be replacing the rear coils at the same time anyway. aswell as shocks.

leaves done right handle as good as factory coil setups and the good thing about leafs is they are real easy to tune

[De-Ranged]

I was tempted to write out why leaf springs work and why they are better than coils... but I've got work to do and I've said it before
A couple of points, I've done a fair bit of research on the american conversions (had a mate who wanted me to do it for him).... talk to your certifier the lifted bronco coils are very long he may not be happy with them, He will want a swaybar as they have a real soft rate and will allow the front to roll, you'll also need some long bumpstops I know this is going to sound silly but try and find some rear lada niva ones they are nice long progressive ones... if you go with the soft springs you will be well under 2G's at full travel so you will need a good bumpstop to ramp the spring rate before it stops travel
The other option is shorter stiffer coils and relocation cones... this is a bit of a grey area the rules arn't very clear on this my certifier wont allow loose springs... but I have seen trucks that have been certed with out having to have the springs captive top and bottom (limits drop )

Cheers Reece

[Dirtydog]

im not too fused on them being 5 stud, and i would much rather have a diff that hasnt been chopped up and welded because its only ever going to be as strong as the welds.

ill have to carry around 2 spares, but i wont mind either way.

i definitly want to go coil front but not soft. i will get the sway bar made up for the front anyway, so if i went soft or hard it wouldn't matter.

the diff i am looking at is either a dana 30 or 44, ill have to have a look but from the research ive done its the same ratio as my rear diff.

does anyone know of anywhere in gore or invercargill that have done axle swaps or deal with suspension?

if not does anyone have a solid axle terrano with coils so i can use pics for reference to the welder?

[De-Ranged]

I'd recommend finding a dona coil sprung truck that is a similar weight and just take all the arms etc mount them as they were mounted.... get your engineer to measure up before you do the swop and just duplicate will also make cert easier
hmmm possibly a range rover
Talk to the certifier, you have two to choose from
Peter Watson, Gore, 03 208 4069
Barry Pope, Invercargill, 03 218 2207
They both have 1D class so are able to cert the steering mod (biggest problem) they will also be able to give you advice and probably give you numbers for people who have done similar or even engineers they'd recommend


As for the axle cutting.... if its done right with internal sleeve's it should be stronger than original, but it wont be cheap as they will have to build a jig
If your able go with the dana 44 I've heard of too many jeep guys braking 30's when they put bigger tyres on... rule of thumb I've head is don't run bigger than 33" tyre on the dana 30... pay to ask in the jeep forum

When you get around to doing the sway bar pm me there is an old racing trick that will help you setup understeer/oversteer without having to replace your swaybar

Cheers Reece

[Dirtydog]

ok guys ive been doing a bit of research, and have just been told of a way i can do it using nissan parts with out chopping up anything.

i was talking to Rick from 4x4 accessories and he was saying if i could get a safari transfer case and front diff, it would keep the nissan parts, put the drive shaft on the right hand side and give me an easier way to do the steering.

the diff that i need will be out of a 2.8ltr nissan safari spirit.
they have the same diff as the rear in mine, with the same ratio.

the front might be wider but im sure theres a way to fix that.

and cheers for the info reece, ill definitly keep you in mind when it comes to that.

[KIWI_TERRANO]

just put a safari in rear to

[Dirtydog]

if worse comes to worse i will just put a safari rear in too.

then it will be a safari with a terrano body lmao.

[De-Ranged]

If it gets that far why not just take a safari rolling chassi and drop your body on

Cheers Reece

[NJV6]

Since your in Gore, give tony Richardson a call.

http://yellow.co.nz/companies/Engineers ... 4_733.html

http://www.uteconversions.com/

He has done a few beam conversions. Suzuki's, surfs etc. Tell him Glen suggested I give you a call

[Dirtydog]

ahhh, that was the guy i was trying to find on friday, cheers,

i gave him a call and hes just recently done one, but not in a terrano though. none the less, he has done it before, cheers for that NJV6

definitly going to be easier to do it with someone thats done it before.

and i may aswell just swap the body lol.

[NJV6]

Ha ha, cool pic.