Peter Vahry

wjw · Post by **wjw** » Sat Sep 02, 2006 8:33 pm

Just wanted to say a public thank you to Peter for all the help and advice he's given me over the last year?? (almost)

I don't think we would be this far along without our little email chats.

Thought this would be a good place to do it, if your still here

Thanks again.

Bill

btw, this is in regard to insurance, NZ4WDA, clubs etc etc..

PeterVahry · Post by **PeterVahry** » Mon Sep 04, 2006 2:09 pm

Thanks for your kind comments Bill. It will be interesting to watch the evolution of the ORE Association.
I must reinforce the need to ensure that the insurance cover is not abused in any way. It is a core benefit of the NZFWDA and there are already 2200 four wheelers who enjoy the cover at the really modest cost.

The NZFWDA National Executive Council have taken a punt on this and are looking to ORE Assoc. people to ensure that we don't get egg on our faces!

Enjoy your four wheeling and remember that there are others out there within the NZFWDA who are working on your behalf.

Peter

Jerry · Post by **Jerry** » Mon Sep 04, 2006 4:42 pm

Peter, FYI wheels are in motion with regard to a defined ORE safety policy, equipment requirement, towhook policy, the regular newsletter/club mag is being worked on, which will include these trips.

One of the requirements for this insurance is that all trips are published, this will be a requirement for those hosting ORE trips, as well as training ORE trip leaders which is vital to ensure we don't have OSH etc knocing at our door when there is an accident.

We welcome your continued guidence......

Leithfield · Post by **Leithfield** » Mon Sep 04, 2006 5:49 pm

PeterVahry wrote: I must reinforce the need to ensure that the insurance cover is not abused in any way. It is a core benefit of the NZFWDA and there are already 2200 four wheelers who enjoy the cover at the really modest cost.

The NZFWDA National Executive Council have taken a punt on this and are looking to ORE Assoc. people to ensure that we don't get egg on our faces!

Peter

Please check the paternalisitic attitude Peter; the registration of O.R.E. 4x4 Assoc. with the NZFWDA is a mutually beneficial relationship, founded upon mutual respect, and not a parent - child association. Do not prejudice to presume that because we may differ on some positions that the members of ORE 4x4 Assoc. are any less responsible, or committed to the protection and progression of our shared past-time, than yourself.

Kevin Dougherty
ORE 4x4 Assoc. PR Southern.

Sadam_Husain · Post by **Sadam_Husain** » Mon Sep 04, 2006 6:03 pm

Do all new members of NZFWDA have a probationary period of "taking a punt" and "having egg on our faces" or are those comments a little out of context?

1lurch · Post by **1lurch** » Mon Sep 04, 2006 9:29 pm

Nice work Jerry , I think you are in a good position to implement the standards , as I hear the CCVC ones , and driver training are quite good . Prehaps with a little tinkering these could be used ?

Cheers
Alister Giddens
Nelson 4wd VP
NZFWDA Southern Zone PRO

Jerry · Post by **Jerry** » Mon Sep 04, 2006 11:30 pm

I think Peters message was more to convey the fact that we need to think about our club processes and that we have all the i's dotted and t's crossed. I think being the first nz4wd assn web club may make people nervous. The delivery of his message could have been worded a hell of lot better!!!...i wouldn't have written it like that

The nz4wd assn whilst good i feel should be providing more guidelines for clubs and drivers, eg eg suggested towhook guidelines, training criteria safety guides,,,etc, but then perhaps we can table what we draft up to the assn to use...after all we are nz wide and a lot of the ore & ore club members are part of other clubs too....

Leithfield · Post by **Leithfield** » Tue Sep 05, 2006 6:56 am

And I think that if we need speculate on the intent of Peter's communication then it's construction is poor and the semantics lend to offence. One does not progress trust in a new relationship by publishing reflection upon concern for potential abuse of insurance cover or ending up with egg on one's face.

As ORE 4x4 Assoc. PRO for Southern, I would ask that Peter take these comments on board, refrain from public expression of misgivings, and evidence that same level of respect afforded himself and the NZFWDA as we mature in our new relationship.

These constructive criticisims do not in any way detract from or devalue the contribution that Peter has made to our sport.

Kevin Dougherty
ORE 4x4 Assoc
PRO Southern.

BrentC · Post by **BrentC** » Tue Sep 05, 2006 8:28 am

Interesting posts

All I can say is - Thank You Peter Vahrey - without your effort, negotiating skills etc - several tracks over DOC land in the North Island would not exist.

Your continued dedication to all things 4wding is greatly appreciated by those who know how much of a difference you make.

JTop · Post by **JTop** » Tue Sep 05, 2006 8:49 am

I'm wuth you Brent. Lets just give Peter some space and be thankful for the efforts he puts in for all 4wders. I have never met the man but without support why would anyone continue to do a thankless task.
J Top

Leithfield · Post by **Leithfield** » Tue Sep 05, 2006 12:50 pm

JTop wrote: I have never met the man but without support why would anyone continue to do a thankless task.

Do not confuse criticism of paternalisim and poorly judged verbage for criticisim of the man or a paucity of deference for his contribution to 4wding in NZ. It is especially because of that acknowledged contribution, respect commanded and NZFWDA office held, that he should endeavour to judge well his chosen words.

Kevin Dougherty
ORE 4x4 Assoc
PRO Southern.

ajnacey · Post by **ajnacey** » Tue Sep 05, 2006 1:35 pm

Iâ€™m sure you can all work out what Peter was saying and I completely agree with him. Thousands and thousands of hours have been spent on getting insurance and access etc for four wheelers by Peter and others in New Zealand, therefore I am not surprised if the association takes a paternalistic view on taking new organisations into the association. It seems a tad eccentric reading too much into what has been said dont you think.
If you had been building up a highly successful business Iâ€™m sure you would be careful who you employed and that they upheld the respect you had earned.
Iâ€™m sure everyone trusts ORE will endeavor to do this and it looks like Jerry already has the wheels in motion for what may be needed to ensure the insurance cover and reputation is used in a manner that respects the years of work that has gone into the association.

Cheers, AJ

Leithfield · Post by **Leithfield** » Tue Sep 05, 2006 7:47 pm

ajnacey wrote: It seems a tad eccentric reading too much into what has been said dont you think.
If you had been building up a highly successful business Iâ€™m sure you would be careful who you employed and that they upheld the respect you had earned.
Iâ€™m sure everyone trusts ORE will endeavor to do this
Cheers, AJ

It seems a tad eccentric to publically suggest misgivings about a newly affiliated NZFWDA club; if trust was implicit as you infer then why were such comments deemed necessary. If that is your measure of that which constitutes professionalisim and adaptive business acumen then we can only agree to disagree.

Peter Vahry

Peter Vahry

saftey standards