Sam's Surf Build Up

[DieselBoy]

So limiting the travel of the rear axle a little bit by extending the bump stops isn't an option???

Be the cheapest way to stop shit hitting stuff

So when is it going to get a rear locker???? All that articulation and a locker would be cool

[SamLogan]

its on full droop. the thing has basically a 6 inch suspension lift in it so there is very little droop anyway's with the factory rear end. lengthening the bump stops would't help really. Limiting straps would but who wants them.

It has a rear auto locker at the moment.

Sam

[muddyhilux]

i know the exact link your talkng about sam ,didnt manage to bend mine but got close.to solve mine i ended up mounting a suzki tank up under the rear of the truck where the spare wheel used to be.cut out that xmember the tyre winch things on.p[ut a new bit of box across the very back of chassis and just jammed tank up as high as pos.worked well and never had link issues again.might be an option

[SamLogan]

yeah its a pia. Oh well its off for some more surgery on sunday as tom's. I wish i had the welding skills to be able to do a job like that. Not to mention the know how. Anyways here are some videos from up the worsley spur on the weekend. Bent my draglink after about 30 secs of doing anything rough so have talked to suzolla about getting a trail gear one which i hope to order this week. I should have the tierod ends this week as well so hopefully i get the death wobble sorted.

Enjoy the videos. I was taking it slow in a few as i didn't want to have to straighten my draglink again

http://youtu.be/ysW2EnWAZ6Q
http://youtu.be/oOpY-_jVQUw
http://youtu.be/Ok99pdagaJ8
http://youtu.be/RquEbNoqb0Q

Sam

[tomsoffroad]

8 sec on third video.

[niblik]

8 sec on third video.

[SamLogan]

definitely my favourite part out of the lot haha

Sam

[SamLogan]

well a bit of an update. The death wobble still hasn't been sorted as i bent my draglink and have ordered a new trailgear one off suzolla. That should deal with that problem. Tom is also going to find out what the deal is with using rose joints for tierod ends. Under heavy flex the draglink is dangerously close to the control arms. As i am upgrading the draglink i have a feeling that the tierod will be the next weakest link. I was able to drive with a bent draglink but a bent tierod would be a different story. The hope is to get a chromoly tierod made up with rose joint ends to drop the height of the rod to that of the control arms reducing the potential for serious binding.

I have also dropped it off for Tom to start changing the back axle set up a bit. Like the front (mostly due to the position of the fuel tank) it is going to be 3 linked with O'Halloran joints (johnny joints) to give better flex.

Here are some before photos of it on Tom's ramp with the front setup done. I am very impressed with how well the front is flexing. I hope a bit of tweaking in the back will get it further up the ramp.











Cheers
Sam

[UBZ]

the drivers side upper link is hitting the fuel tank and now has a slight bend in it. only noticed it tonight.

I just cut a half moon out of the tank lip with a small hole saw .upper arm doesn't touch at all. been like that for years know.

Snake racing make a offset / bent upper arm to correct the issue as well.

with the 3 link rear , how are you going to retian road stability / drivability at highway speeds or towing?

[muddyhilux]

now that is some dam nice flexing, definitely wouldn't get that with standard arms

last 2 pics though is that rear wheel hard up against bump stops or coil fully compressed?i thought she'd sit in the guard a little more than that

[SamLogan]

Yeah i looked at the offset arms but the real problem is how high it is now with the lift is also causing problems because the lower arms are at quite a big angle when sitting flat so extending them is going to help with a bit of back end stability i would have thought as they will be sitting flatter. The stability onroad/highway speeds i wouldn't have thought will change all that much as the axle is still being located by the panhard and the axle is going to be braced as well.

I am not sure if it was resting on the rear bumpstops as i was not there. I am guessing it would have been close as the big cone things they have are ridiculous haha.

Sam

[niblik]

if ya compare pic 1 to the 2nd, it shows that it will tuck up into the guard more..

i've found that ya drive up forwards to see how the back works and vice versa..

sounds odd but think of weight dispersion etc..

lookin good too dude..

[SamLogan]

yeah i have to agree with you about the wheel. I didn't look at the photos in that greater detail. I was just admiring how much better it is than the ifs haha.

Yeah reversing it up really shows the amount the front can flex. Those joints are awesome things.

Cheers mate. I wish i could do what tom has done but he is building me an awesome truck. Hopefully it should be almost done by xmas then i can really see what she has got.

Sam

[tomsoffroad]

Hopefully it should be almost done by xmas then i can really see what she has got.

Jeez mate I'll be finished by Thursday What else you got planned???
Rose jointed tie rod is a go with cert

[muddyhilux]

yeh good point there nib,didnt even see that that looks more like bump stop and yeh you are right in terms of weight and viasa versa

[tomsoffroad]

Yip it finds the bumpstops Takes a fair bit of pushing tho cos the 80 series coils are pretty stiff.

[SamLogan]

Hopefully it should be almost done by xmas then i can really see what she has got.

Jeez mate I'll be finished by Thursday What else you got planned???
Rose jointed tie rod is a go with cert

35's, methanol injection, rear bar, rear discs. it just never stops haha.

Yeah those coils are stiff but believe it or not they are not as stiff as a 2inch lifted heavy duty surf rear coil.

Sam

[muddyhilux]

[Yeah those coils are stiff but believe it or not they are not as stiff as a 2inch lifted heavy duty surf rear coil.

Sam

yeh id believe that,bout the same as what ive just put in mine.mind you though the ones ive got are the light blue dobysons i think so hoping the work well.definetly a great truck and awesome work gone into it

[SamLogan]

Well a bit more of an update. I got my truck back from Tom last night after he 3 linked the rear. He has made me a machine of a truck. It is pretty awesome. I will upload some more upclose photos of his work if he gives me permission to. The death wobble issue hasn't been sorted yet as i am waiting for my new draglink that i ordered from Suzolla and also the new tierod Tom is making me. We are currently struggling to find a 3/4 UNF left hand thread tap for the rod ends. Once that is all done i will see if that helps. I will also be taking it in for a wheel alignment. If that doesn't work then i will have to tell my mate who wants my tyres to hurry up and buy them because i will be needing new ones.

Here are some we took of it on Tom's ramp.











Cheers
Sam

[kbjj]

We are currently struggling to find a 3/4 UNF left hand thread tap for the rod ends.

Edge Racing on Main South Road has threaded weld in bungs, left, right, big, small, for this sort of thing. Cheaper and quicker than a tap

[tomsoffroad]

Edge Racing on Main South Road has threaded weld in bungs, left, right, big, small, for this sort of thing. Cheaper and quicker than a tap

Yip onto them Jeremy but your not allowed weld tierods You do abit of lathe work dont you? Any idea of how hard it would be to screw cut them?

[muddyhilux]

http://tradetools.co.nz/products/6578660

here ya go tom,bit pricey but we all know taps aren't used once and thrown

top effort on the rear 3 link as well.all looking bloody tidy.re that front spring shoudn't the be ok being its in a captive hat?providing the bottom is held down with a clamp there's no way spring can come out or move out of position

[tomsoffroad]

here ya go tom,bit pricey but we all know taps aren't used once and thrown

top effort on the rear 3 link as well.all looking bloody tidy.re that front spring shoudn't the be ok being its in a captive hat?providing the bottom is held down with a clamp there's no way spring can come out or move out of position

Oh well ya get that. Looking at making a few tierods tho.

Im not sure about the spring. I always though they had to be totally captive. Will investigate.

[SamLogan]

Well a bit of an update. I seemed to have sorted the death wobble. It was caused by completely stuffed tierod ends on the draglink. So with a new draglink from Suzolla and now a steering dampener it drives very nicely. Also over the weekend i swapped the front coils for some firmer ones to try and get it so sit up properly when coming out of a corner. I ended up going for cobra front springs which were a 16mm wire compared to the dobi ones at 14mm. What a difference it has made. Its almost day and night. But it has come with a problem. Being stiffer coils means that they are shorter as well and when at full flex(done with a highlift) they tend to loose all weight on them and come loose. So the next question is with the prado setup having the shock running through the spring, does this count as it being captive as the spring int theory can't fall out?

Sam

[Sadam_Husain]

Well a bit of an update. I seemed to have sorted the death wobble. It was caused by completely stuffed tierod ends on the draglink. So with a new draglink from Suzolla and now a steering dampener it drives very nicely.

awesome mate, I've had those evil death shakes in a couple of trucks and its gets to the stage you almost want to give up and stick a match under it

[SamLogan]

yeah it is very frustrating. It could have been so many things and it was hard to narrow it down. The tierod ends were loose but it was hard to get any longitudinal play in the direction of the draglink which was the hard bit. Getting the steering dampener sorted has made it much nicer to drive.

Sam

[muddyhilux]

good to hear death wobbles sorted mate,as for captive or not only your certifier is going to answer that question,as i said to tom the other day if the bottom of shock it bolted down with a plater so it cant twist out of position you may have a chance of getting it through

[SamLogan]

did you mean the shock or the spring?

i also need to get my ass into gear and take some photos of the rear axle setup so people can see more of Toms awesome work.

Sam

[muddyhilux]

sorry dude ,meant spring yeh,like a coil plate,cos if just loose it cant fall out but can spin the 360 degrees so the spring end could then not line up in the notch of the perch if you kno what i mean

and yeh mate,more pics the better,we all love pics

[wjw]

If your certifier is Wayne Martin, call him and explain... they will probably need to be captive at one end,, Also I remember see spring locators for the other end on here somewhere, basically they were cones that seated the spring back in its correct position as it moved upwards