Hi there,
Is there anyone has any experience with this suspension kit?
Shocks + Rear spring + Torsion bar.
I have Pajero SWB (1994) 3.0L V6 with height control.
TJM (XGS 2000) suspension kit for Pajero
I had change to talk to the mechanic today.
My impression is it quite good product.
He saw two occasions that OME shock had oil leak.
So I might go with this option if I got sorted $$$.
4 Shocks + pair of rear springs and replacement torsion bars are about $1,860.
Plus fittings and wheel alignment cost.
Unless I do myself, it will be around $2,100 ~ $2,200.
Generally speaking, the aftermarket kit will make suspension little stiff to hold extra load. (That I hard from mechanic)
Bright side of this is getting whole set of new ride like new car and most of all balanced suspension setting that designed to work together.
I forgot to ask about the compatibility with height control.
Does any one know about this? Otherwise I will ask my garage before the actual order.
My impression is it quite good product.
He saw two occasions that OME shock had oil leak.
So I might go with this option if I got sorted $$$.
4 Shocks + pair of rear springs and replacement torsion bars are about $1,860.
Plus fittings and wheel alignment cost.
Unless I do myself, it will be around $2,100 ~ $2,200.
Generally speaking, the aftermarket kit will make suspension little stiff to hold extra load. (That I hard from mechanic)
Bright side of this is getting whole set of new ride like new car and most of all balanced suspension setting that designed to work together.
I forgot to ask about the compatibility with height control.
Does any one know about this? Otherwise I will ask my garage before the actual order.
1994 Pajero V6 3000 SWB Manual
hi, i got the same truck as you but is a year older.. are u getting this new sus to give you more ground clearence ? because i have been told that if i was have mein rised i would have to get rid of the hieght control, but im not 100% on that so if you do ask your macanic could you please let me know wot he has to say about the issuse.. and if u would keep me informed if you intend to rise it
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Yap, I will keep post what my mechanic say and result if I decided to do.
I also want to keep that height control for occasion that I want an extra height.
My current suspension has got no SMH actuator attached, I suspect not standard shocks replaced by previous owner in some stage.
My rear spring is too short or may be too tired and I felt that bump stopper hitting when over the speed bump in reasonably low speed.
So it\'s time to gain whatever normal height was and improve everything include controllability and stability and ....
My case I may chose standard height spring but I will ask what happens if I choose raised one. It\'s free for asking!
I also want to keep that height control for occasion that I want an extra height.
My current suspension has got no SMH actuator attached, I suspect not standard shocks replaced by previous owner in some stage.
My rear spring is too short or may be too tired and I felt that bump stopper hitting when over the speed bump in reasonably low speed.
So it\'s time to gain whatever normal height was and improve everything include controllability and stability and ....
My case I may chose standard height spring but I will ask what happens if I choose raised one. It\'s free for asking!
1994 Pajero V6 3000 SWB Manual
Well, long story short.
This is my 3rd Pajero.
The first one was ‘91 2.5 and second one was ’93 2.8 and all SWB.
I had last one (2.8 Tdi) until this October. I rolled it and written off.
That was very good track and factory body lifting kit was instilled. (Funny I found out today when I had chat with mechanic. All the time I thought it was normal.)
However, that one does not have height control and dead standard setting except BFG A/T tyres.
I got this 3L version few weeks back for replacement.
It had quite well equipped (for looking) bull bars IPF lights, and so on. So it is basically good base for do something for fun.
I add mud defector (aka spoiler) and new set of tyres (BS A/T 694 10.5x31 R15) when I purchased.
It running well, but I just miss that height of previous truck. That is sure.
One thing that I made mistake for this purchase is checking the shocks. There is the SMH switch in cabin and indicator working as I changed the position. But, hey, under the body it goes nowhere.
And the somehow the balance front rear is not quite right feel when travelling underlain surface. We have those even on the open sealed road.
So I decided to checkout some options to make it safer and gain at least normal height (or maybe little more).
So far FullyEquipment gives me more information and I have got a good response from mechanic too.
Over the next week, I will do little more research and funding and some big decision!
Stay tuned
This is my 3rd Pajero.
The first one was ‘91 2.5 and second one was ’93 2.8 and all SWB.
I had last one (2.8 Tdi) until this October. I rolled it and written off.
That was very good track and factory body lifting kit was instilled. (Funny I found out today when I had chat with mechanic. All the time I thought it was normal.)
However, that one does not have height control and dead standard setting except BFG A/T tyres.
I got this 3L version few weeks back for replacement.
It had quite well equipped (for looking) bull bars IPF lights, and so on. So it is basically good base for do something for fun.
I add mud defector (aka spoiler) and new set of tyres (BS A/T 694 10.5x31 R15) when I purchased.
It running well, but I just miss that height of previous truck. That is sure.
One thing that I made mistake for this purchase is checking the shocks. There is the SMH switch in cabin and indicator working as I changed the position. But, hey, under the body it goes nowhere.
And the somehow the balance front rear is not quite right feel when travelling underlain surface. We have those even on the open sealed road.
So I decided to checkout some options to make it safer and gain at least normal height (or maybe little more).
So far FullyEquipment gives me more information and I have got a good response from mechanic too.
Over the next week, I will do little more research and funding and some big decision!
Stay tuned
1994 Pajero V6 3000 SWB Manual
HI Paj 94,
Im new to the Pajero owning thing, had my 3.5 manual SWB for little over a month, within the first month I needed a new clutch and the common Pajero idle problem fixed.
Interesting you mention about your 2.8 having the factory lift, out of interest this was a body lift done with the 2.8 and 3.5 engined vehicles to get the body over the bigger gearbox that they have!
what bullbar does your have? I am considering bull bars and have not yet seen anything i like! Let us know how you get on with the TJM kit and also how much will it raise it. I\'ll be looking to raise mine in the future.
regards,Glen
Im new to the Pajero owning thing, had my 3.5 manual SWB for little over a month, within the first month I needed a new clutch and the common Pajero idle problem fixed.
Interesting you mention about your 2.8 having the factory lift, out of interest this was a body lift done with the 2.8 and 3.5 engined vehicles to get the body over the bigger gearbox that they have!
what bullbar does your have? I am considering bull bars and have not yet seen anything i like! Let us know how you get on with the TJM kit and also how much will it raise it. I\'ll be looking to raise mine in the future.
regards,Glen
I think this is the one of the factory or dealer option in Japan so not good as TJM or ARB.
I recommend that TJM or ARB with replace the front bumper and you little more expose on front tyres and benefit of all in one design.
The ARB is compatible with Air bag if you have one, but I’m not sure about TJM.
May be you are right about body lift kit, it is slightly thiker than 2.5 one. ( that I told by mechanic)
3.5 Manual, it\'s bit of rare beast!
I recommend that TJM or ARB with replace the front bumper and you little more expose on front tyres and benefit of all in one design.
The ARB is compatible with Air bag if you have one, but I’m not sure about TJM.
May be you are right about body lift kit, it is slightly thiker than 2.5 one. ( that I told by mechanic)
3.5 Manual, it\'s bit of rare beast!
1994 Pajero V6 3000 SWB Manual
Hi guys
I have a 93 SWB pajero, lifited, different springs & suspension etc
Its lifted about 4 inches higher than normal, great on road, and pretty good offroad.
I disconnect the rear sway bar for pretty damn good articluation in the rear.
The only thing I dont like is the independent front suspension.
Other mods
Bull bar
Beefy sway bars
New Shocks (with adjustable settings, using the factory compressor)
Springs
Torsion bars
Cranked up the boost
and loads more.
There will be pics of it on here somewhere.
There is a guy in CHCH who makes the suspension components if anyone is interested.
Cheers Scott
I have a 93 SWB pajero, lifited, different springs & suspension etc
Its lifted about 4 inches higher than normal, great on road, and pretty good offroad.
I disconnect the rear sway bar for pretty damn good articluation in the rear.
The only thing I dont like is the independent front suspension.
Other mods
Bull bar
Beefy sway bars
New Shocks (with adjustable settings, using the factory compressor)
Springs
Torsion bars
Cranked up the boost
and loads more.
There will be pics of it on here somewhere.
There is a guy in CHCH who makes the suspension components if anyone is interested.
Cheers Scott
Pictures can be found here
http://www.offroadexpress.co.nz/modules ... _photo.php
http://www.offroadexpress.co.nz/modules ... _photo.php
Hi Zukin, questions to follow!!!!.....
A 93 with more boost, is that a 2.8 then?
To go 4 inches, what have you done with the droop on the ifs suspension? When 'winding up' the torsion bars 4 inches I'd guess all droop is lost, or is some of that a body lift? And what tyres are you able to run with that setup?
Next question, sway bars. how do you disconnect the rear sway bar - I just took the whole thing off, it didn't appear to do a hell of a lot anyway. and yes, it does give jolly good rear articulation.
As for the 'beefy sway bars' is that thr front? and do you have a disconnect for it?
Too many questions!!!!
regards, Glen
PS I haven't looked at your pics yet as I live in the wops and the net is to slow currently....
A 93 with more boost, is that a 2.8 then?
To go 4 inches, what have you done with the droop on the ifs suspension? When 'winding up' the torsion bars 4 inches I'd guess all droop is lost, or is some of that a body lift? And what tyres are you able to run with that setup?
Next question, sway bars. how do you disconnect the rear sway bar - I just took the whole thing off, it didn't appear to do a hell of a lot anyway. and yes, it does give jolly good rear articulation.
As for the 'beefy sway bars' is that thr front? and do you have a disconnect for it?
Too many questions!!!!
regards, Glen
PS I haven't looked at your pics yet as I live in the wops and the net is to slow currently....
Mitzy owners----- The Mitzy Guru in CH CH is Murray he drives and modifys Pajeros. Front & Rear bars, Rock sliders, Swaybar disconects,
Liftkits &suspension modifications . He can be contacted at ,
ALPINE LAKES 4X4 ADVENTURES OR ALPINE ENGINERING .
PHONE 0276586249 . Hope this helps and hope Murray dosn't mind me giving this information.
Get Dirty FITZY .
Liftkits &suspension modifications . He can be contacted at ,
ALPINE LAKES 4X4 ADVENTURES OR ALPINE ENGINERING .
PHONE 0276586249 . Hope this helps and hope Murray dosn't mind me giving this information.
Get Dirty FITZY .
Follow-up guys.
I had quick chat with mechanic and he said that I can keep the Air Suspension.
The mechanic also said that if I full lifted with Height control, I may feel some vibrations.
According to the Fully-Equipped, the springs available in New Zealand are approx 50mm increase + 20% increase in spring rate (suitable for heavier loads).
If one of you wants more lifts with the Air Suspension, I suggest check with Fully Equipment or your nearest Mitsubishi first. My be a body lift and combination of both could be a option in such a case. (I did not confirmed this, by the way)
The shocks are not adjustable, but I was convinced by there quote saying:
I placed the order for the kit (springs, torsion bars and shocks).
I will put some report when all done and I did some KMs with it.
I had quick chat with mechanic and he said that I can keep the Air Suspension.
The mechanic also said that if I full lifted with Height control, I may feel some vibrations.
According to the Fully-Equipped, the springs available in New Zealand are approx 50mm increase + 20% increase in spring rate (suitable for heavier loads).
If one of you wants more lifts with the Air Suspension, I suggest check with Fully Equipment or your nearest Mitsubishi first. My be a body lift and combination of both could be a option in such a case. (I did not confirmed this, by the way)
The shocks are not adjustable, but I was convinced by there quote saying:
Adjustable rebound shocks sound like a good idea but in reality a suspension engineer is much better placed to define shock performance than the man on the street.
I placed the order for the kit (springs, torsion bars and shocks).
I will put some report when all done and I did some KMs with it.
1994 Pajero V6 3000 SWB Manual
I wonder why they didn't mention that you only really needed new rear springs to gain the lift??
You can very very easily adjust the torsion bars in the front to match the 2" gain in height at the rear. Torsion bars by nature become stiffer as you wind them up, so they would also match the 20% increase in spring rate at the rear.
Seems odd to me, especially as i bet the standard torsion bars havn't even so much much as thought about sagging yet!!!! Even if they had, you would just re-index them.
Just my 2cents
You can very very easily adjust the torsion bars in the front to match the 2" gain in height at the rear. Torsion bars by nature become stiffer as you wind them up, so they would also match the 20% increase in spring rate at the rear.
Seems odd to me, especially as i bet the standard torsion bars havn't even so much much as thought about sagging yet!!!! Even if they had, you would just re-index them.
Just my 2cents
Well, actually they kind of did that sort of suggestion.
But I’m suspecting that this particular car had some sort of modification before.
There is no standard adjustable shock is installed, for example.
I found the front and rear is bit unbalanced in stiffness.
My main objective here is not the lift but make it balanced in whole and start from fresh. So I can be more confident in the suspension I’ve got.
The getting original shock is bit hash because in NZ they can only buy second hand and I found the price quoted this may not match to get brand new shocks from somewhere else.
Yes, it’s started all from shocks and not the spring and now geeti8ng whole balanced I decided to go for fresh start!
50mm lift is kind of bonus to me…
But I’m suspecting that this particular car had some sort of modification before.
There is no standard adjustable shock is installed, for example.
I found the front and rear is bit unbalanced in stiffness.
My main objective here is not the lift but make it balanced in whole and start from fresh. So I can be more confident in the suspension I’ve got.
The getting original shock is bit hash because in NZ they can only buy second hand and I found the price quoted this may not match to get brand new shocks from somewhere else.
Yes, it’s started all from shocks and not the spring and now geeti8ng whole balanced I decided to go for fresh start!
50mm lift is kind of bonus to me…
1994 Pajero V6 3000 SWB Manual
Chances are that when the originals are 'wound up' to gain the extra 2 inches, bearing in mind the vehicle has a bull bar, it will create more load on the torsion bars, sure they will firm up, but at the end of the day they are the same old torsion bar under more tension, and if a aftermarket one is sourced that will match the rear spring rate, then in the long run it can only make sense, especially if it is designed to run at that height rather than the 50mm lower standard ones!
Does that that make sense? In writing it down I think i'm confusing myself - I know what I meant!
Cheers, Glen
Does that that make sense? In writing it down I think i'm confusing myself - I know what I meant!
Cheers, Glen
Thanks NJV6,
I know what you mean and agree.
The safety first, so I want to make the pajero safe as I can trust. This means total balance is the key.
The small lifting will be nice since I feel this one is a bit lower than normal (may be a inch or so ).
BTW, I just had call from mechanic and the suspension kit I asked was not so good idea for this particular pajero or my asking situation.
I made appointment tomorrow to discuss some other options include replacing to original shocks and reason that why not best.
He might have better idea to spend such a large amount of money to improve the pajero in overall. I might be able to afford snorkel as well as improving ride and control.
I know what you mean and agree.
The safety first, so I want to make the pajero safe as I can trust. This means total balance is the key.
The small lifting will be nice since I feel this one is a bit lower than normal (may be a inch or so
).
BTW, I just had call from mechanic and the suspension kit I asked was not so good idea for this particular pajero or my asking situation.
I made appointment tomorrow to discuss some other options include replacing to original shocks and reason that why not best.
He might have better idea to spend such a large amount of money to improve the pajero in overall. I might be able to afford snorkel as well as improving ride and control.
1994 Pajero V6 3000 SWB Manual
Idea of fitting this kit is officially off (for me).
My mechanic and supplier discussed about the fitting and both not recommended for what I wanted.
It makes really harder and the list made by this suspension may cause some chase vibrations.
I’m after the standard shocks with 3way adjustment.
I also offered to fit the suspension seat-frame for better ride on the rough place.
My mechanic and supplier discussed about the fitting and both not recommended for what I wanted.
It makes really harder and the list made by this suspension may cause some chase vibrations.
I’m after the standard shocks with 3way adjustment.
I also offered to fit the suspension seat-frame for better ride on the rough place.
1994 Pajero V6 3000 SWB Manual
Hmmm
When I lifted mine, it was
A - Higher clearance for the rough stuff
B - More stable on road
C - Much better off road, with much better wheel travel
D - Better for towing
Allround I think that I have a great setup, but its always a compromise
Even with the rear swaybar disconnected the odd time it is used on the road, it doesnt change the feelings too much.
My shocks I got still managed to adapt to the factory 3 stage suspension adjustment (Soft, medium and hard) This is great when on rough gravel roads, makes it much more comfortable
Cheers
Zukin,
Which make of the shocks that you are using? Are they new shocks for same kind or aftermarket one like TJM or OME?
My pajero has wiring bit no actuator on top of the shocks.
I'm after all together those setting back for now and maybe think about lift later.
I was not recommended probably becasue I did not want too much hash (hard) suspention setting.
The current setting has too much roll/pitch because of unbalanced front and rear.
I recon yours are 2.8. So it has extra 30mm body lift kit was installed like my previous one. I asked about this kit as well, but I will see one step by step.
There is always another option, but I just don’t like current setting.
However, the 2.8 (written off last month) was excellent performer as in standard.
Which make of the shocks that you are using? Are they new shocks for same kind or aftermarket one like TJM or OME?
My pajero has wiring bit no actuator on top of the shocks.
I'm after all together those setting back for now and maybe think about lift later.
I was not recommended probably becasue I did not want too much hash (hard) suspention setting.
The current setting has too much roll/pitch because of unbalanced front and rear.
I recon yours are 2.8. So it has extra 30mm body lift kit was installed like my previous one. I asked about this kit as well, but I will see one step by step.
There is always another option, but I just don’t like current setting.
However, the 2.8 (written off last month) was excellent performer as in standard.
1994 Pajero V6 3000 SWB Manual