Certification Costs

icekayak · Post by **icekayak** » Wed Sep 27, 2006 1:20 pm

Been searching round the forum but can't find too much on costs in regards to certifications.

What does it cost to get a vehicle certified?
For say a body lift? and for a body lift, spring lift, tyres, roll cage, seats etc?

What does the cert actually involve? How hard is it normally to pass. (I realise everyone is different and involve then from the start, and there is some leeway as to the interpretation of the rules)
Do they just look at the area concerned ie the body lift or will they go through a whole wof type inspection process as well.
(ie If i have a big crack in the drivers side windscreen will they fail me, even though i'm going for a bodylift)

Cheers

Post by **mike** » Wed Sep 27, 2006 1:26 pm

Last time I heard it was around $300 and that doesnt matter if you doing just tyres or everything under the sun. My understanding is they recheck the whole vehicle so it pays to get everything done you want to and get it all certified at once so you only pay the fee once.

Mike

monaro427 · Post by **monaro427** » Wed Sep 27, 2006 1:36 pm

i rang up today and it will cost me $300-$350 to get a cert for mine and that is for supra motor body lift and rear dics for my surf,

nz4x4 · Post by **nz4x4** » Wed Sep 27, 2006 1:57 pm

Mine was about $400 and that was for bodylift, rotating shackles, suspension lift, sports seat and steering wheel.

Sadam_Husain · Post by **Sadam_Husain** » Wed Sep 27, 2006 2:59 pm

$350 for engine conversion with the guy I used

he added anything else he could find onto the certification
anti inversion shackels, rims, bullbar, winch etc

icekayak · Post by **icekayak** » Wed Sep 27, 2006 6:36 pm

Ok thanks

interesting there is variation with the prices. I wonder if it is a set thing or certifier dependent....

Also will they only look at things you tell them to?
Ie If the WOF lets me off with having a crack in the windscreen when really it should fail cos its within ??cm of the driver's vision area, will the certifier fail me on the cert because of it. (when the cert has nothing to do with that)
(i'm just saying that as an example my screen is actually fine

)

Ryan · Post by **Ryan** » Wed Sep 27, 2006 9:08 pm

quick tip:::get as much certed at once then you only pay that
$350 once....... :twisted:

access4WD · Post by **access4WD** » Thu Sep 28, 2006 9:05 am

Yep it is about 3 to 4 hundred to get a certification so it pays to get as much done as possible at one time. Plus I found too ( I have a well modified CJ7 Jeep that has been certified too many times so I learned the hard way!) that it pays to go and talk to the certifier PRIOR to getting your work done that way you can talk about your ideas and when you turn up with the truck ready for the cert, then you know in advance what will be the issues.
Good Luck

De-Ranged · Post by **De-Ranged** » Thu Sep 28, 2006 9:55 am

icekayak wrote:Ok thanks interesting there is variation with the prices. I wonder if it is a set thing or certifier dependent....

Also will they only look at things you tell them to?
Ie If the WOF lets me off with having a crack in the windscreen when really it should fail cos its within ??cm of the driver's vision area, will the certifier fail me on the cert because of it. (when the cert has nothing to do with that)
(i'm just saying that as an example my screen is actually fine )

The bad news is yes they are "required to" my certifier was saying he's sick of it, the latest thing he has to test for is dull lenses on lights :roll:

in reality if you roll in with a new warrent then I'd say you wouldn't have any issues these guys already have enough on there plate with all the paper work etc

Cheers Reece

rowinz · Post by **rowinz** » Thu Sep 28, 2006 10:42 am

Say if I required a cert for larger tyres and >50mm susp lift, and the certifier included everything - bars, snorkel, whatever - then when I chose to run standard tyres on the road, does that void the entire cert? so I would then need only the susp lift cert'ed again? Does that then mean I can't run big tyres???
Cheers
Rowan

H2OLOVA · Post by **H2OLOVA** » Thu Sep 28, 2006 11:16 am

rowinz wrote:Say if I required a cert for larger tyres and >50mm susp lift, and the certifier included everything - bars, snorkel, whatever - then when I chose to run standard tyres on the road, does that void the entire cert? so I would then need only the susp lift cert'ed again? Does that then mean I can't run big tyres???
Cheers
Rowan

Ask Goose about this :lol:

He bought a Surf off a mate who had fitted 31inch tyres before his last warrant. WoF man said bigger tyres need to be certified but i'll give you this warrant, just make sure its sorted before the next WoF is due. Thats all good, then Gooses mate buys a new truck and swaps the standard tyres back onto the Surf and puts the 31s on his new truck. He then parks up the old surf for about a year before Goose buys it. Goose buys the truck and takes it through for a WoF, and can you believe it :shock:

because it had been flagged by LTSA at its previous WoF, he gets told that he has to get it certified for the standard tyres, even though it was never certified for the 31s, but in order to get the flag removed from LTSAs system and get his WoF he had to get the standard, factory rims and tyres certified. Goose even had his mechanic ring LTSA and tell them it was on standard rims but, even though they give him the authority to issue warrants, they cant take his word for it and Goose had to go to a certifier. How f***ed up is that. :evil:

Post by **mike** » Thu Sep 28, 2006 12:51 pm

H2OLOVA wrote:
rowinz wrote:Say if I required a cert for larger tyres and >50mm susp lift, and the certifier included everything - bars, snorkel, whatever - then when I chose to run standard tyres on the road, does that void the entire cert? so I would then need only the susp lift cert'ed again? Does that then mean I can't run big tyres???
Cheers
Rowan

Ask Goose about this He bought a Surf off a mate who had fitted 31inch tyres before his last warrant. WoF man said bigger tyres need to be certified but i'll give you this warrant, just make sure its sorted before the next WoF is due. Thats all good, then Gooses mate buys a new truck and swaps the standard tyres back onto the Surf and puts the 31s on his new truck. He then parks up the old surf for about a year before Goose buys it. Goose buys the truck and takes it through for a WoF, and can you believe it because it had been flagged by LTSA at its previous WoF, he gets told that he has to get it certified for the standard tyres, even though it was never certified for the 31s, but in order to get the flag removed from LTSAs system and get his WoF he had to get the standard, factory rims and tyres certified. Goose even had his mechanic ring LTSA and tell them it was on standard rims but, even though they give him the authority to issue warrants, they cant take his word for it and Goose had to go to a certifier. How f***ed up is that.

Yikes that is really f*****ed up :shock:

wjw · Post by **wjw** » Thu Sep 28, 2006 2:51 pm

rowinz wrote:Say if I required a cert for larger tyres and >50mm susp lift, and the certifier included everything - bars, snorkel, whatever - then when I chose to run standard tyres on the road, does that void the entire cert? so I would then need only the susp lift cert'ed again? Does that then mean I can't run big tyres???
Cheers
Rowan

I had a chat with supraLux about this last night, the cert plate is only valid if the truck has the same bits on it as the cert plate says, if you change, tyres, suspension etc it is, by the letter of the law, then invalid. So I can't get it cert'd on 35's then change to my roadies as the cert would no longer be valid... will be checking all this with my insurance company in the next month or so....

De-Ranged · Post by **De-Ranged** » Thu Sep 28, 2006 3:40 pm

Oooo never thought about the insurance.... let us know what the word is....

mroffroader · Post by **mroffroader** » Thu Sep 28, 2006 4:17 pm

mike wrote:
H2OLOVA wrote:
rowinz wrote:Say if I required a cert for larger tyres and >50mm susp lift, and the certifier included everything - bars, snorkel, whatever - then when I chose to run standard tyres on the road, does that void the entire cert? so I would then need only the susp lift cert'ed again? Does that then mean I can't run big tyres???
Cheers
Rowan

Ask Goose about this He bought a Surf off a mate who had fitted 31inch tyres before his last warrant. WoF man said bigger tyres need to be certified but i'll give you this warrant, just make sure its sorted before the next WoF is due. Thats all good, then Gooses mate buys a new truck and swaps the standard tyres back onto the Surf and puts the 31s on his new truck. He then parks up the old surf for about a year before Goose buys it. Goose buys the truck and takes it through for a WoF, and can you believe it because it had been flagged by LTSA at its previous WoF, he gets told that he has to get it certified for the standard tyres, even though it was never certified for the 31s, but in order to get the flag removed from LTSAs system and get his WoF he had to get the standard, factory rims and tyres certified. Goose even had his mechanic ring LTSA and tell them it was on standard rims but, even though they give him the authority to issue warrants, they cant take his word for it and Goose had to go to a certifier. How f***ed up is that.

Yikes that is really f*****ed up

its these bloody women running the country :roll:

wjw · Post by **wjw** » Thu Sep 28, 2006 5:04 pm

De-Ranged wrote::shock: Oooo never thought about the insurance.... let us know what the word is....

Have asked the question:

what happens when I change my tyres back to my current road tyres, standard factory 245/75 R16's on Toyota Alloys?

My policy already states that unless it was a factory option, it has to be certified. Which is new this year, effective 1st October.

The policy is with Barley who do the NZ4WD insurance...

Petemcc · Post by **Petemcc** » Thu Sep 28, 2006 5:31 pm

on mt cert plate it has the size of the rims but not the tyres and i think that is what they are all like... (correct me if im wrong) so you could have smaller road tyres and big mud tyres as long as they are on the same size rim. (you could get a decent set of mud tyres and some smaller road tyres on 15x8 inch rims).

Pete

wjw · Post by **wjw** » Thu Sep 28, 2006 5:49 pm

Yea Steve told me that too, but I've also heard tyre size listed... not sure if its true though

Ryan · Post by **Ryan** » Thu Sep 28, 2006 6:30 pm

i have 31s where factory they are 29s and have done a
2inch suspention lift and my wof guy didnt even notice???
should i get cert??

Petemcc · Post by **Petemcc** » Thu Sep 28, 2006 7:04 pm

on my cert plate it has a bit that says rims for them to fil in (there are lots of sections that they have to fil in). but doesnt say anything about tyres. however there is a bit that says how high it so and putting on smaller tyres will make it lower..... i dont think that you would ever get called up for it.The main reason i got a cert is so that i would have insurance. However if you do have a crash if your mods are not at fault then you will still get insurance... well your ment to. id say if you fail a wof get a cert. if you get a wof ring and ask with your insurance company if you have insurance and get them to put it down on your record thing.

Pete.

Sadam_Husain · Post by **Sadam_Husain** » Thu Sep 28, 2006 7:10 pm

Ryan wrote:i have 31s where factory they are 29s and have done a
2inch suspention lift and my wof guy didnt even notice???
should i get cert??

You'd have to check the low volume cert stuff but I think your allowed to go 5% oversize tyres without a cert,

You may just be slightly over?

wjw · Post by **wjw** » Thu Sep 28, 2006 7:48 pm

Sadam_Husain wrote:
Ryan wrote:i have 31s where factory they are 29s and have done a
2inch suspention lift and my wof guy didnt even notice???
should i get cert??

You'd have to check the low volume cert stuff but I think your allowed to go 5% oversize tyres without a cert,

You may just be slightly over?

Your allowed 5% rolling diameter over and above the maximum specified for that vehicle by the manufacturer. so 31's would allow 30.45 without Cert. However it's worth checking to see what other options that vehicle came out with.

Insurance wise, you need to check with them. Even if the vehicle is safe, if something should have been cert'd and its not, they most likely won't pay.

wjw · Post by **wjw** » Fri Sep 29, 2006 10:31 am

This is from my Insurer:

In regards to changing tyres over back to roadtyres nothing happens . You can do as you choose so long as it does not compromise the safety of the vehicle whilst of road . ie If you were insuring the vehicle and looking at paying out $10,000 in the event of a total would you be concerned if some person changed the tyres from off road to ususal road tyres knowing that the handling of the vehicle whilst off road may change the safety of the vehicle.

icekayak · Post by **icekayak** » Fri Sep 29, 2006 6:19 pm

Does anyone know how insurance companies feel about 3rd party insurance when the mod's pass through wof's but are not certified (and should be) ie bigger tyres?

I will get it cert'd in the future but want to wait till done everything to it first, which is a long process :wink:

wjw · Post by **wjw** » Fri Sep 29, 2006 7:38 pm

They probably just won't pay out. They will use any means to not pay usually.

cletus · Post by **cletus** » Fri Sep 29, 2006 10:48 pm

Hey guys my names Clint, Im a certifier in Auckland. If you have any questions about the rules just ask, if I dont know the answer, the large pile of technical manuals I have will :lol:

icekayak · Post by **icekayak** » Fri Sep 29, 2006 11:10 pm

cletus wrote:Hey guys my names Clint, Im a certifier in Auckland. If you have any questions about the rules just ask, if I dont know the answer, the large pile of technical manuals I have will

Welcome Clint

Where abouts in Auckland are you based? what areas can you certify? What are the costs?

Cheers
Chris

cletus · Post by **cletus** » Fri Sep 29, 2006 11:25 pm

Am mobile all round auckland, I started doing certs not that long ago, so I only have two categories at the moment, covering more basic modifications, suspension, wheels, seats, engine swaps, brake mods, most things that do not involve major structural modifications. I work for a guy called Mark Stokes, hes been doing certs for years and has most categories, so if I cant cert something he can. As for cost, I checked a landcruiser yesterday, for lifted suspension, wheels, brake mods, custom bumper/winch mount etc and interior gauges, cost was $365

Tommo · Post by **Tommo** » Sun Oct 01, 2006 10:14 am

Just going through the process at the moment after having a Nissan converted to ute with rollcage, seats etc

$350 plus GST is the cost, so they are quite correct when they say get all mods done before taking it in as it will cost the same for a single modification.

Technically I think they alllow a 5% variation for tyre size and 50 mm spring lift before requiring a cert...I had the rim certified (15 x

flares checked and they certified the height from the centre of the hub to the top of the wheel arch....this allows for tyre size to vary as long as you have the ability to vary your speedo reading..

I also had to supply a WOF check, and have been told that as long as the repairs needed are minor eg bulbs, lose wheel bearing etc that it okay...they wont allow a vehcle with major repairs required to be certified...

We have a user friendly certifier who works through the project from the turn of the first spanner right through the process, helps when you know the rules before you start....

Rules and regulations...go figure