lifts laws to be inforced

[DaveM]

I also attended the above mentioned meeting. The Authority card is not just about making the vehicles safer but the drivers and owners of lifted trucks responsible for the way it is driven on and off road. The card will be issued to the vehicle in the owners name. This just means that if you belong to a club and use your lifted 4wd for its intended purpose (not just look at me in my stupidly high surf poser stuff) then you shouldn't have any trouble getting the card. Personally I was a bit unsure about the idea until I attended this meeting.

I understand that, but it is aimed at making the roads safer, which it won't. I could easily join a club, do whats required to get the card, and still drive like a muppet 95% of the time. IMO 4wds are an easy target. Would be interested to hear how many lifted over X" have caused accidents, as apposed to how many lowered sports cars. Just my opinion, but I can't see it making anything safer, there are bigger issues out there than lifted 4wds.

[UBZ]

if it was about road safety they would be introducing a new class of licence . Requiring training , testing etc etc - just like a HT licence .........
However under the weatbix card rules once the vechile has a card issued to it anybody can drive it ........ therefore regardless of weather the owner allowed it, the driver is still ultimately responsible for their actions on the road and the card is irrelevant ..........

This is all about money and control by threat of having the card revoked and your vechile made unwarrantable........

[Sadam_Husain]

This is all about money and control by threat of having the card revoked and your vechile made unwarrantable........

do you mean from NZTA, LVVTA or NZFWDA?

[tallsam66]

The Auth Card is a con...dont fall for smooth talking Tony Johnsons lies ...its nothing but a way to make lots of money for LVVTA & NZ4WD Assn.
Do the sums yourself & see the massive money thats involved.

Annual Subs $30 ....yearly fee for Auth Card $25 .times say 5000 people who will need it ...thats $275000 they will gain every year.

Also if you get a vehicle certed that has lift etc over the limit (thats yet to be decided) , it will have stamped on the cert plate " NZ4WD Assn Authority Card Required" meaning you will only be able to sell your vehicle to someone who is a member of NZ4WD assn or be forced to take out the lift kit, making your 4wd worth much less on the open market due to the small number of people who will be able to drive it on the road.

The Low Volume systen we have works just fine .The Auth card will undermine the current system & also put doubt on the abilities of the certifiers.A major part of a cert is the on road handling ...the Auth card is suggesting they arent capable of doing the job correctly ....if NZ4WD ass is going to issue cards why do we need the Cert system at all ?????

We MUST fight this all the way to the HIGH COURT if we have too ....dont let these organisations take away what we have just so they can make more money & gain more members.

[wsr4x4]

I agree tallsam
The authority card for cars is only to allow rollcages and plastic windows etc ie genuine competition vehicles. Suspension and brake modifications etc fall under cert rules. The system is already in place and it's fine isint it authority card system should stick as it is so if you want rollcage or hey maybe wheels sticking way out your gards like hotrods are allowed (something that would actually be practical for what serious 4x4s do unlike Rods doing it to look cool. Although that's as good reason as any)
So way I see it what th #### needs changing,they already have the 50mm cert threshold right? Then over that should b upto certifyer. Btw who is really sure of any given trucks original height when it left the factory??? Many have surely sagged 100mm

[Bulletproof]

How many members of the NZFWDA have trucks lifted more than 100mm ?

I doubt that there are many because they are no good for off roading.

Cheers Richard

[coxsy]

The Auth Card is a con...dont fall for smooth talking Tony Johnsons lies ...its nothing but a way to make lots of money for LVVTA & NZ4WD Assn.
Do the sums yourself & see the massive money thats involved.
some how you think the nzfwda is a profit run bisiness,
not the cash strapped assn it is

[muddyhilux]

This just means that if you belong to a club and use your lifted 4wd for its intended purpose (not just look at me in my stupidly high surf poser stuff) then you shouldn't have any trouble getting the card.

the above re being part of a club is wrong.there are thousands of 4wds who use their vehicles for what they are designed for without being in a club!

making the roads safer, which it won't. I could easily join a club, do whats required to get the card, and still drive like a muppet 95% of the time.

the above statement is correct

if it was about road safety they would be introducing a new class of licence . Requiring training , testing etc etc - just like a HT licence .........

IMHO if they want safer roads a new class of license id what is required

Annual Subs $30 ....yearly fee for Auth Card $25 .times say 5000 people who will need it ...thats $275000 they will gain every year.

you can certainly see the motivation at work here.nothing to do with road safety

and to finish off the cert process currently works,lifted trucks dont kill people...people do,guns dont kill people...the person holding it does...
should i continue

[datsunsafari]

hell $25 a year doesnt seem like a big deal to me

[muddyhilux]

hell $25 a year doesnt seem like a big deal to me

mate moneys money,it comes and it goes,thats not the issue

look at it another way.you've got you're license and a car right?ill assume you do.now imagine if jo blogs from the local book club wants $25 off you just cause that'll help you drive safer after they print you off a piece of paper.it wont will it.if it was going towards making our roads safer like they claim I'm sure no one would have any issues but it isn't

[lincooln]

I just don't like it as its forcing people to join a club they shouldn't have to be forced to join.

I know in our club we have had, and may still have many members that are only in it to get a comp license, so the same will happen with this card.

Current system works fine. Its still up to the cert guy and he always has the option of saying"NO, It is not safe", just like lowered cars etc.

Please just tell us the figures on how many accidents there have been involving trucks lifted over 100mm. Most of the on road accidents I see are either lowered cars or just A-B cars. Can't say I have ever seen a lifted truck in a smash, big or small.

If it was safety related then why not just make people go on a course such as one like a defensive driving course, get a certificate to say they know how to handle a lifted truck over 100mm and all will be happy.

[datsunsafari]

book club?

[muddyhilux]

I referenced a book club and jo blogs as a simple comparison.what's to say that either they or a 4wd club president can say i know how to drive?neither of them will be testing me,in the kiwi 4x4 club they might not even ever see me drive as its an online club,they simply know I'm a part of their club.

I'm all for road safety but that comes from better driver training.NOT MORE BITS OF PAPER and slower speeds(another of my pet hates )

[crazyclark31]

book club?

hes just using a random club as an example.

Again there are litorly thousands of trucks in new zealand that are curretly modded used regularly off road and are not members of clubs.
The point everyone is trying to make is why should all these other people suddenly have to get this authority card just so they can continue to use their vehcile?
It cannot be for saftey reasons as once said vehcile is "carded" anyone can drive it still even a 16yr old with next to no driving experiance.

Also were is the public awareness progamme? If i was not a member of this very exellent forum i would have absolutly no knowledge of this topic. None of the many offroad drivers i have spoken to know about it untill i mention it to them.
Again if this was a saftey issue then wouldn't it makes sense to have some sort of public campaign??????

[Sadam_Husain]

So a re-cap as I'm seeing it

NZTA are changing the regs to limit 4x4 lifts to 100mm

NZFWDA is negociating an exemption via the Auth Card system for their members



Concidering how many people seem to be venting and are upset at 4x4 lifts getting capped at 100mm I dont see how its a problem that the NZFWDA are getting off their arses to obtain exemptions for their member clubs?

[DaveM]

How many members of the NZFWDA have trucks lifted more than 100mm ?

I doubt that there are many because they are no good for off roading.

Cheers Richard

Yes, we all know that a diesel supercharged hilux is the only vehicle good off road

[datsunsafari]

I referenced a book club and jo blogs as a simple comparison.what's to say that either they or a 4wd club president can say i know how to drive?neither of them will be testing me,in the kiwi 4x4 club they might not even ever see me drive as its an online club,they simply know I'm a part of their club.

I'm all for road safety but that comes from better driver training.NOT MORE BITS OF PAPER and slower speeds(another of my pet hates )

yeah im not keen on the authority card but it looks like its happening,just saying$25 not too bad....red tape/book clubs..(my pet hates)

[DaveM]

So a re-cap as I'm seeing it

NZTA are changing the regs to limit 4x4 lifts to 100mm

NZFWDA is negociating an exemption via the Auth Card system for their members



Concidering how many people seem to be venting and are upset at 4x4 lifts getting capped at 100mm I dont see how its a problem that the NZFWDA are getting off their arses to obtain exemptions for their member clubs?

I just find it amusing that the changes are supposedly for safety reasons. Is it likely this 100mm (or whatever the magic number is) will include a combination of body/suspension and tyres? If similar rules were brought in for modded cars, MSNZ would no doubt roll over and not fight it either. If their members weren't affected, they too would push the whole "it's for safety reasons" justification.

[coxsy]

oh before i forget, a sp 250 crane four wheels about the hight of a van the boom six metres out the front of the thing and drive from the crane cab onside the righthand of the chassis, think my 75mm lift safari is a safer beat on the road than that big f**ker

[juz]

Sadams spot on, Its this or nothing. Ya can fight it all the way to the high court if you like ya not going to win. The NZFWDA are getting a way around the new law so people can still have lifts over 100mm (or whatever its going to be) I dont see what all the whingings about, I mean it doesnt even affect half of yas! There also looking to include rollcages and harness belts into this law so we can run them on the road. :Like Hotrods you will be able to sell/buy them without an authority card, your just not going to be able to wof it until the new owners has one. A logbook and entering or going on a couple of club trips a year is probably going to be included also.

[tallsam66]

Sadams spot on, Its this or nothing. Ya can fight it all the way to the high court if you like ya not going to win. The NZFWDA are getting a way around the new law so people can still have lifts over 100mm (or whatever its going to be) I dont see what all the whingings about, I mean it doesnt even affect half of yas! There also looking to include rollcages and harness belts into this law so we can run them on the road. :Like Hotrods you will be able to sell/buy them without an authority card, your just not going to be able to wof it until the new owners has one. A logbook and entering or going on a couple of club trips a year is probably going to be included also.

The only reason there might be height limits brought in is nz4wd assn is pushing for height limits to be set so they can increase there membership and the amount of money they make.LVVTA will also be clipping the ticket and making more money too!
You mention hotrods... The only exemption nzhra members can get are for fenderless vehicles. If you purchase a car without that is certified or has a declaration and no fenders you are not allowed to drive it on the road unless you are a paid up member of nzhra & also fee there fee for there auth card. This now means means its harder to sell this type of vehicle due to the limited number of people who will put up with the hassle of the auth card.

[juz]

im not arguing, in fact i dont really care. Doesnt affect me a great deal as I have a certed lift of 50mm. That is all.

[LOLYF]

The only reason there might be height limits brought in is nz4wd assn is pushing for height limits to be set so they can increase there membership and the amount of money they make.

Complete and utter load of crap...got facts to back this up?

[Sadam_Husain]

The only reason there might be height limits brought in is nz4wd assn is pushing for height limits to be set so they can increase there membership and the amount of money they make.

Complete and utter load of crap...got facts to back this up?

x2, each to their own opinion but thats a pretty extreme view that probably cant be backed up

[hippy_]

A logbook and entering or going on a couple of club trips a year is probably going to be included also.

Ok, what if the NZFWDA doesnt have events in my area?? I then have to pay to travel/accommodation to an event, just so I can have this card and use my fully cert'ed truck, as my daily/off road vehicle??

Is this fair on people who live outside the main centers??

Or is the NZFWDA going to tour around all of NZ and run these events??

[Sadam_Husain]

A logbook and entering or going on a couple of club trips a year is probably going to be included also.

Ok, what if the NZFWDA doesnt have events in my area?? I then have to pay to travel/accommodation to an event, just so I can have this card and use my fully cert'ed truck, as my daily/off road vehicle??

Is this fair on people who live outside the main centers??

Or is the NZFWDA going to tour around all of NZ and run these events??

what I dont understand about all these sorts of posts is why is everything the NZFWDA's fault, its NZTA thats changing the lift laws not NZFWDA

[juz]

I dont know, Im just passing on what was at the meeting I dont have a problem with it, If it does affect me Ill happily pay the $35 or whatever it is, in fact Ill be happy if I can put a roll bar and some harnesses inside my truck....

[lincooln]

I don't mind at all that NZFWDA is fighting for us, and no it is not them trying to bring in height limits.

I am glad to have this over not being able to have anything over 100mm, but I still think there is a better way round it. But it works for the hot rod guys so should work for us too. will just mean more trailer trucks, or illegal trucks on the road I guess.

Also if you join a club and you get this card do you have to be a) always in the club so long as you want the card? b) can you still do all your own trips etc even if it is not a NZFWDA affiliated trip? c) does it apply to the owner or the truck? ie does the card simply say "this truck is used off road so it needs this bigger lift"?

Also just wondering how will this card stop huge boderline unsafe lifts?

[Sadam_Husain]

Also just wondering how will this card stop huge boderline unsafe lifts?

you'll still have to have any modification certified ie: a lift so its the same process as before you still have to comply and pass lvvta certification

[datsunsafari]

If it does affect me Ill happily pay the $35 or whatever it is, in fact Ill be happy if I can put a roll bar and some harnesses inside my truck....

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